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Overly Serious said:
I don't think he is, he just exploited her affections. In the Judas Contract movie it's fairly obvious that he hasn't consummated things and it's farily heavily hinted he doesn't want to. When she walks in wearing fairly adult make-up and dress it comes across as deeply unpleasant and painfully desperate on her part.
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He does in the comics, multiple panels show them in bed together and he pretty much confirms it to Beast Boy when he says nothing on the matter:
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DC has been trying to scrub this part of the character for a while. The movie heavily changed the relationship and Terra as a whole for modern sensibilities and to be more in line with Titans 2003, which made Terra into a tragic figure as apposed to her being straight evil in the comics. A good general rule is that Titans adaptations have nothing to do with the source material outside of general frameworks. The 2003 series redid everything and the adaptations afterwards always take mostly from that series.
 
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Basic Blond Boy said:
He does in the comics, multiple panels show them in bed together and he pretty much confirms it to Beast Boy when he says nothing on the matter:
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DC has been trying to scrub this part of the character for a while. The movie heavily changed the relationship and Terra as a whole for modern sensibilities and to be more in line with Titans 2003, which made Terra into a tragic figure as apposed to her being straight evil in the comics. A good general rule is that Titans adaptations have nothing to do with the source material outside of general frameworks. The 2003 series redid everything and the adaptations afterwards always take mostly from that series.
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Well I stand corrected. I only had the film to go off. How old is Terra supposed to be there? And she was flat out evil in the comics rather than troubled and exploited?
 
Overly Serious said:
Well I stand corrected. I only had the film to go off. How old is Terra supposed to be there? And she was flat out evil in the comics rather than troubled and exploited?
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She was evil in the comics because I remember some people complaining when they made her more sympathetic in the Teen Titans cartoon when they did that arc.
 
Overly Serious said:
Well I stand corrected. I only had the film to go off. How old is Terra supposed to be there? And she was flat out evil in the comics rather than troubled and exploited?
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Here is a link to Terra being the true villain as answered by Quora:
https://www.quora.com/When-will-peo...-Terra-who-was-noted-to-be-Evil-by-even-Raven

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What people don't understand about Terra in the original Judas Contract, due to not actually reading it, is:

  • Terra was Insane and Evil
  • Deathstroke presumably used sex and love as Protection against her. He even seemed scared of her. Meanwhile Terra just used him for sex because she's horny.
  • Terra came to Deathstroke. She was not only a Gerontophile but wanted to hurt the Titans..simply because they were good. She wanted to kill them all in the end.
The cartoons etc, are apparently incapable of making Terra like she was in the comics. To my knowledge, Teen Titans Go Terra is the closest version characterwise to the comics:
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As for age, Wikipedia is saying 16.
 
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So the last two episodes have been... interesting.

Episode 5 ended with the death of Nightwing. Harley and Batgirl found his body, however he had no visible wounds and no cause of death was given. So episode 6 was an attempt to track down the killer.

It turns out the killer was the Joker, who revealed this by walking into the Legion of Doom, said he killed Nightwing, and that was the scene. No "how" was given, which seems pretty important due to the fact that the Joker is a fucked up psychopath so you would expect some torture wounds or something and not absolutely no wounds whatsoever.

But what about the Joker's family? How did the people who were responsible for his reformation take the news that the Joker has returned to villainy? If you guessed "immediate 100% acceptance", you would be right. No trigger or death to set him off, he's just back, essentially removing everything they did with his character over the past couple of seasons.

Or is it? There have been some hints about Harley sleepwalking and possibly even the "it was all a dream" scenario. I'm actually secretly rooting for this as my original guess for how the season ends is Harley leaving the bat family and Ivy stepping down from the Legion of Doom to return things back to normal, making the entire season essentially filler. So the dream would turn this season from bad to hilariously bad and that's something I can get behind.

I will say, Gordon showing King Shark how to be a working father was good though.
 
StillNotBlarg said:
So the last two episodes have been... interesting.

Episode 5 ended with the death of Nightwing. Harley and Batgirl found his body, however he had no visible wounds and no cause of death was given. So episode 6 was an attempt to track down the killer.

It turns out the killer was the Joker, who revealed this by walking into the Legion of Doom, said he killed Nightwing, and that was the scene. No "how" was given, which seems pretty important due to the fact that the Joker is a fucked up psychopath so you would expect some torture wounds or something and not absolutely no wounds whatsoever.

But what about the Joker's family? How did the people who were responsible for his reformation take the news that the Joker has returned to villainy? If you guessed "immediate 100% acceptance", you would be right. No trigger or death to set him off, he's just back, essentially removing everything they did with his character over the past couple of seasons.

Or is it? There have been some hints about Harley sleepwalking and possibly even the "it was all a dream" scenario. I'm actually secretly rooting for this as my original guess for how the season ends is Harley leaving the bat family and Ivy stepping down from the Legion of Doom to return things back to normal, making the entire season essentially filler. So the dream would turn this season from bad to hilariously bad and that's something I can get behind.

I will say, Gordon showing King Shark how to be a working father was good though.
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Nightwing being treated like shit by DC writers? Damn, who could have seen that coming!
 
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SteelPlatedHeart said:
You have no idea.
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Why is anybody here still watching this dross? I give 50/50 that the sole reason Nightwing is killed in this is because one of the writers thought it would be funny to do that ass-coffin thing and worked backwards from there.

I stopped at the end of Season 2 which is when it went badly off the cliff (and coincidentally when they replaced the male writers with two female ones because - and they explicitly stated this - they wanted more diversity). I watched one episode in S3 because it had the Music Meister and I thought it might be a fun musical episode. It was not.

This series is injurious to your soul. You have been warned.
 
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StillNotBlarg said:
There have been some hints about Harley sleepwalking and possibly even the "it was all a dream" scenario. I'm actually secretly rooting for this as my original guess for how the season ends is Harley leaving the bat family and Ivy stepping down from the Legion of Doom to return things back to normal, making the entire season essentially filler. So the dream would turn this season from bad to hilariously bad and that's something I can get behind.
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The only "it was all a dream" scenario I would be satisfied with is after Harley and Ivy ride off in the S2, they pulled a Thelma & Louise by having die while everything that has happened since was just the last moments of Harley's consciousness mind.
 
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Overly Serious said:
Okay. So she was actually over the age of consent then, just young. In the movie she looked younger. But that could have been the art style.
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She was old enough to consent with other 16-18 year olds. Consent laws are...confusing especially in the US the state age varies but it's usually 16 but even then it's usually only to consent with others in that age range and anyone over 18...well tends to be iffy, to say the least. It's honestly a can of worms that are so troublesome that most people usually stick with the national age which is 18 even though the national age refers to voting, military service, emancipation from one's parents, the right to he married without needing parental permission and so on.


But getting back to the topic of Harley Quinn.
The Nothingness said:
The only "it was all a dream" scenario I would be satisfied with is after Harley and Ivy ride off in the S2, they pulled a Thelma & Louise by having die while everything that has happened since was just the last moments of Harley's consciousness mind.
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I've mentioned there's a theory that this whole show is happening inside Harley's head and it's how she sees the world. It would mostly explain a lot like why are heavy hitters like bane, clay face, and king shark acting like needy neurotic bbfs instead of the merciless killers they usually are portrayed as? Because a dim witted moron is trying to paint them as such in her mind.
 
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A Grey Cat said:
I've mentioned there's a theory that this whole show is happening inside Harley's head and it's how she sees the world. It would mostly explain a lot like why are heavy hitters like bane, clay face, and king shark acting like needy neurotic bbfs instead of the merciless killers they usually are portrayed as?
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I would like to think this, but Harley Quinn is hardly the first to make them this way.

Bane has been given very little respect in any adaptations thanks to Bruce Timm apparently hating him. BTAS made him less intelligent than usual. Batman & Robin then made him a completely mindless brute. The Batman had him as a threat for one episode before he gets reduced to cut a wire. Batman Brave & The Bold just makes him a dumb brute. The Arkham series was egregious in how stupid they made Bane outside of Origins. Then we have LEGO Batman which made him a pushover gag character. Outside of Rises and Origins, Bane is always treated like this.

Killer Shark is also typically a joke. He was the lovable big boy in Gunn’s film and the animated movies made him Constantine’s gay lover. I believe the CW Flash also made him more docile and stupid.

Clayface has very few appearances, but he was made into an idiot for LEGO.
 
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