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So here's the summary for the rest of Season 4. I feel like I lost brain cells simply typing this so you have been warned.

After Joker claims to have killed Nightwing, Batgirl proves that was impossible as the Joker was being tested for sleep apnea that night. This leads to the Joker shooting Batgirl in the spine and paralyzing her. Harley gets her revenge by putting Joker on a leash like a dog and taking him to Lex's birthday party.

Nightwing's real killer was a drunk Harley who figures it out thanks to the help of Psycho, and gets him to forget by making Flash reverse time. Instead of having consequences for killing Nightwing, Harley blames a dead clone of her that is 5% potato.

Harley and Ivy travel 25 years into the future and learn that Lex destroys the world. This episode is filled with references from the 2009 movie Avatar, including the name of Harley and Ivy's kid. They ask how she was born but give no answers.

Ivy throws Lex off the Legion of Doom's board to save the world, but it means nothing as Lex drained Superman of both his powers and his hair, becoming one of the most powerful beings in the galaxy. He gets defeated by Batgirl crashing his moon buggy.

The season ends with Harley leaving the Bat family and Ivy leaving the Legion of Doom. Nightwing is also revived by being thrown into a lazarus pit.

Talia taking control of Wayne Corp, Alfred going to jail to be with Bruce, and Batman being in jail are all plotlines that don't lead anywhere.

Kiteman does not appear at all this season. However it looks like he is getting a spinoff. I do not have high hopes.
 
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StillNotBlarg said:
Harley and Ivy travel 25 years into the future and learn that Lex destroys the world. This episode is filled with references from the 2009 movie Avatar, including the name of Harley and Ivy's kid. They ask how she was born but give no answers.
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I'm not going to ask how they have a kid since it will probably be some bullshit reason. Instead, I will ask why give them a kid.
 
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Why is anybody here still watching this dross? I give 50/50 that the sole reason Nightwing is killed in this is because one of the writers thought it would be funny to do that ass-coffin thing and worked backwards from there.

I stopped at the end of Season 2 which is when it went badly off the cliff (and coincidentally when they replaced the male writers with two female ones because - and they explicitly stated this - they wanted more diversity). I watched one episode in S3 because it had the Music Meister and I thought it might be a fun musical episode. It was not.

This series is injurious to your soul. You have been warned.
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Ironic considering you were the first person to give this whole series lukewarm approval. Like, do you folks not understand not just "current year" but HBO specifically? These are the same people that made sure that Tywin (and Ned Stark?) were killed off on Father's Day; they're are the same people that produced the Watchman series; they're the same people that produced VELMA, and so on and so forth. They have been doing this stupid pretentious, subversive crap stuff for years. What did you expect?
 
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verissimus said:
Ironic considering you were the first person to give this whole series lukewarm approval.
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Maybe for Alannis Morrisette values of ironic.

When this show started it was genuinely funny. Ever other week I'd edit the subtitle depending on egregious it had been but Dr. Psycho's unrelenting misogyny, Harley Quinn just being a horrible person and not have the show pretend she wasn't, King Shark going beserk at the sight of blood. These things were funny once and I was happy to admit it.

It definitely changed with the change of writers and the very forced last-minute shipping arc of Ivy and Harley sidelining Kiteman.

Kiteman appears to have the original writers from Season 1 Harley Quinn. I will laugh my arse off if it takes off and leaves Harley Quinn choking on its better ratings.
 
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The first couple of episodes of Kite Man: Hell Yeah! are out now, and you can skip it.

The show stars Kite Man and his new girlfriend Golden Glider as they attempt to run a bar. However, despite Kite Man's name being in the title of the show, Golden Glider is definitely the main character, meaning Kite Man somehow got cucked out of his own show.

Golden Glider is annoying as fuck. She's clearly written to be the Harley Quinn of the show, but I somehow found her more obnoxious as Harley Quinn has a reason to be spontaneously ADHD, and that's because she's Harley Quinn, Golden Glider does not. However Golden Glider does have a superpower that she can not control, which basically means that when things get bad she can pull it out as a Deus Ex MacGuffin to save the day by killing everyone but her friends.

The relationship between Kite Man and Golden Glider is nauseating. I suspect this is to try and justify that Kite Man better off with Golden Glider, but their relationship is so lovey dovey turned up to about a 12. The best way to explain it is that they are the friends that you go over to their place to watch a movie and they spend the entire time flirting beforehand, and then start making out 10 minutes in with you right beside them on the couch.

I've sat here for 10 minutes trying to think of something to say about the side characters, but I honestly can't. And that includes Bane, probably one of my favorite characters.

Overall the show is heavily watered down Harley Quinn, which is both good and bad. It hasn't done anything horrendously horrible that makes it worth a hate watch, but it also doesn't have any humor or jokes that will keep you watching and entertained. It's a show that is so mediocritly okay, that it just ends up being bland and forgettable.
 
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StillNotBlarg said:
The first couple of episodes of Kite Man: Hell Yeah! are out now, and you can skip it.

The show stars Kite Man and his new girlfriend Golden Glider as they attempt to run a bar. However, despite Kite Man's name being in the title of the show, Golden Glider is definitely the main character, meaning Kite Man somehow got cucked out of his own show.

Golden Glider is annoying as fuck. She's clearly written to be the Harley Quinn of the show, but I somehow found her more obnoxious as Harley Quinn has a reason to be spontaneously ADHD, and that's because she's Harley Quinn, Golden Glider does not. However Golden Glider does have a superpower that she can not control, which basically means that when things get bad she can pull it out as a Deus Ex MacGuffin to save the day by killing everyone but her friends.

The relationship between Kite Man and Golden Glider is nauseating. I suspect this is to try and justify that Kite Man better off with Golden Glider, but their relationship is so lovey dovey turned up to about a 12. The best way to explain it is that they are the friends that you go over to their place to watch a movie and they spend the entire time flirting beforehand, and then start making out 10 minutes in with you right beside them on the couch.

I've sat here for 10 minutes trying to think of something to say about the side characters, but I honestly can't. And that includes Bane, probably one of my favorite characters.

Overall the show is heavily watered down Harley Quinn, which is both good and bad. It hasn't done anything horrendously horrible that makes it worth a hate watch, but it also doesn't have any humor or jokes that will keep you watching and entertained. It's a show that is so mediocritly okay, that it just ends up being bland and forgettable.
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Don't think there's a word of that I can disagree with. I had held out some hope as early Harley Quinn was actually funny and this brought back the original writers. But either those writers have been neutered or they're being micro-managed by TPTB. Kiteman was a very low-level criminal with a rather limited schtick but I don't recall him being this lousy. Of course his girlfriend is super-powerful.

I watched the first couple. It was just bad. The jokes aren't jokes, the characters aren't likeable. Not even Kiteman anymore. Whereas in Harley Quinn he was one of the few characters who was.

You're right about them as a couple as well. Kite Man and Poison Ivy was kind of interesting because she was very stand-offish and was embarrassed by him but actually warmed to him as being one of the few genuine guys she'd actually met and then she realised that she was being the awful person by trying to hide their relationship and so you had this whole journey where the relationship was earned and they won each other over. (Until writer fiat decided Ivy and Harley had to be a couple). With Kite Man and Glider, there... what? Nothing really. They're just arbitrarily in love and super-smoochy with it. They're like two people who happened to be both on an extreme rebound at the same time and met each other. They have that kind of chemistry.

End of his and Ivy's arc in Harley Quinn, if the show runners insisted on making Ivy and Harley lesbians, should have been him quietly blowing his brains out in his apartment, roll season credits. It would have sucked and it would be a lot more honest than "oh, he's fine, Ivy gets a free pass".
 
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A Grey Cat said:
Because of fucking course she does. Gotta have that "strong wamen girlboss ceo wish fufillment in everything."
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It's so funny how like the writers are so Democrat-brained they think that a woman who is a literal fascist is better because girls get it done

Even The Boys does this, where they think the racist billionaire would actually care if someone used his cash to donate to BLM or Elizabeth Warren. my brother in christ billionaires know they dont challenge their reign

These are shows for people terminally online to get references to Batman fandom memes, but not terminally online enough to look up The Lever or Sludge and read where all the AIPAC donations go to

Basically perfect if youre a modern capeshitter
 
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Stab You in the Back said:
I don't like what they've done to Commissioner Gordon, and Alan Tudyk is no Mark Hamill, but the show's okay so far. I'm glad they made Harley's journey a person one, rather than directing it at 'all men' or 'the patriarchy.' I'm also relieved that they made Ivy a friend instead of a lover*. Hopefully they continue to avoid most of the bullshit that's been plaguing portrayals of Harley Quinn for the last decade.


*although they might be setting up Ivy as Joker 2.0 since she seems to be just as controlling and abusive towards Harley as the Joker
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I was fine back when something was merely implied between Harley and ivy, and harley would actively try to get with men. It's basically a troll about how a girl who can't get with a man who is up to her standards will lose faith and start lezzing out.
 
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