Writer's Guild Strike of 2023 - Fuck these people

What is worse?

  • A consoomer, who produces nothing, devours everything, and will threaten you if you dare disturb the

    Votes: 87 15.3%
  • The one who's work is to forever feed the consoomer?

    Votes: 25 4.4%
  • Feed them all to feral pigs

    Votes: 456 80.3%

  • Total voters
    568
I'll bet. They want to write a single line of dialogue, or HELP write a line and get infinite money for life.
residuals aren't infinite money, if you help create good work, and that work keeps making money, why shouldn't you get part of that money? that money also isn't "infinite", 20 bucks for some show from 10 years ago isn't much to live on, but it adds up and if you do persistent good (or even ok) work that makes good (or ok) money, which you get a part of. you make money, studio makes money, it's in everyone's interest to keep making money, so a certain level of quality is required and assured.

the main problem isn't the residuals anyway, it's the structure. for one you have california being california, so you have to suddenly calculate part of that money for all the sjw garglefaggots and other stupid shit which is legally mandated - obviously your part of the pie (which wasn't big to begin with) gets smaller. it also usually means the work isn't good, hence no more residuals for anyone else. how much money you think anyone working on willow gets or would get?
next is streaming, which completely fucks how said residuals are calculated, in part it doesn't work like tv programming, in another that companies really don't want to show how "successful" a show is - which is complicated to calculate to begin with, nielsen ratings, which then set advertisement cost, are piss easy in comparison (and streaming doesn't have advertisement anyway, because no one wants to see that shit when he pays money for it, which then has to cover all the shows). you could go by views, which should be easy enough to track and they probably do, but there's no mandate to be open about it.

so to a degree writer's aren't wrong. problem is most of them are retarded, especially the commie bunch and don't understand things change and markets (which includes the job market for writers) like everything else works on supply & demand - and you can only fuck with it for so long before you run out of one or the other, at which point the market self-corrects inevitably (which you don't want to happen, but good luck with retards in charge).
 
I get the idea behind the minimum writing staff size as an AI counter, but the levels they are asking for are completely retarded.

I mean we have such utter shit today because they eventually dug themselves so deep below the bottom of the barrel they had Tumblr Fanfiction Writers doing their scripts.
Sort of. We have the shit we have today because the 2007 writers strike cemented a lesson that had been brewing - "It doesn't matter if your movie is garbage, if you put fags in it, fags & fag hanger-ons will watch it". You can do 40% of the work and get 80% of the money. The fact you could use this political ideology to get retards to sign away their rights as long as they can make some character gay or a nigger was also helpful.
Basically why hire competent writers when you can have easily pushed around new graduates?

To be fair, this is basically the history of China. Central authority collapsing is usually preceded by horrific shit, and leads to general chaos and mass murder on a scale that is shocking to western sensibilities.
I guess let me be a little more exact in the messaging, they are setting up a false binary:
There are only two choices - the existing central authority, and complete utter chaos. There is no possibility for anything inbetween. You either deep-throat the CCP emperor's cock despite your reservations, or you are advocating for chaos and war.
If you tried to have something like a central authority accountable to the people (actual free elections) because that didn't come from that central authority that is just people who will cause the utter breakdown of society. This is why you need to report them and nothing happened in Tiananmen Square in the 80s
 
Also, people that solo write/run a show or have a 2-3 person team are.... Actually talented, unlike a 12 person gaggle of film studies failures who only got a job because they sucked the right dick or have the right last name/industry connection.
I remember how in their re:View of the first season of either Star Trek: Discovery or Star Trek: Picard, Mike and Rich pointed out how the show seemed to have nearly 20 different producers. Granted, officially a "producer" is not a writer, but given how things seem to work in Hollywood these days and the sheer number of people involved, you know that many of those "producers" were essentially writing.

And the final product was absolute shit.
 
The writers' room issue seems fairly easy to resolve; instead of mandating a minimum room size, require the studio to allow the showrunner to hire up to a certain number of writers (the number still being based on the size of the show). The runner doesn't have to hire up to the full complement if they think they'd end up with useless mouths, and doesn't have to worry about the studio forcing them to work with a skeleton crew either.
 
I remember how in their re:View of the first season of either Star Trek: Discovery or Star Trek: Picard, Mike and Rich pointed out how the show seemed to have nearly 20 different producers. Granted, officially a "producer" is not a writer, but given how things seem to work in Hollywood these days and the sheer number of people involved, you know that many of those "producers" were essentially writing.

And the final product was absolute shit.
Rate me autistic, but I didn't think Picard was too bad. The show's writing went all over the place over the first two seasons. Then season 3 came up and they reactively decided to just give fans everything they figured TNG fans would want. They weren't wrong in this case, it was pretty good in my opinion, even if it was chock full of fanservice.

I'm fine with creators and actors getting residuals even if it may reward people who write or act in garbage. Residuals reward creators on shows that got reruns and rereleases. Those are not always the highest critically rated shows, just the most popular. Lost went to absolute shit near the end, but remains enduringly popular. And you can't really blame actors for acting in shitty shows or movies, they have to take what comes sometimes in order to pay their bills, and just act the role as best they can even if the show or role is shit.

Where the compromise should be is giving them most of what they're asking for, but trimming the fat in production and staffing costs. Amazon's Rings of Power shows you can spend a billion dollars making something with a proven property that should be a license to print money, and still end up with shit. Hollywood accounting and city/state incentives for productions can make a lot of movies and shows almost free to run on paper, but the incentives require the studios to hire on excessive staff in make-work schemes and diversity quotas to satisfy the accounting, and having to pay all those useless hangers-on health benefits and residuals makes even "almost free on paper" productions end up in the red eventually.
 
Maybe this is unheard of crazy talk, but I don't think actors should be making living wage off of jobs they did 15+ years ago.
I agree, why should work done that you were PAID FOR decades ago equal the same amount of cash in current day?

I can understand a few grand or maybe a bit more a year, but tens of thousands for a year or MONTH for 6 weeks of work 10+ years ago is absolutely ridiculous.
 
I'm starting to like Joe Russo. He's very silly.
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If you even bother to read the first paragraph it says that AMPTP responded to their demands. Not once does it even say what those responses were. We can infer by the fact that they're still negotiating that responses were essentially "lol". If there was ANY kind of win they'd be celebrating it. Strikes can work, Mr Russo, but only if anyone gives a fuck about you and your plight.

In case you want to financially support who do next to nothing and demand more for it,
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First off, the link is dead. I tried to go to see what kind of scam it was and it will not connect at all. Secondly, Joe literally told him that it's the best place to donate to him I mean the strike and yet Reality comics is still confused about if best means best.

And Joe continues to give
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As the poll has established it will be to feral pigs

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Spoliers: Fuck all happened. Joe's expectations were subverted.

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This is facebook boomer tier.

I'd say Joe should feel shame but the following is what he considers an accomplishment
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"He knew me as that writer that people automatically think is one of those good writers! I'm just like Jack Sparrow!"

and for something different
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Frank Conniff's only claim to fame is playing TV's Frank on the Comedy Central run of Mystery Science Theater 3000. He now spends his time screaming about politics on social media. I am so sick of this argument of "fair wage". Bitch they got what money they agreed to. Now they want more money forever for doing worse and worse work. The public is just clamoring for more superheroes twerking with a fat rapper and Yakub Dr Manhattans. Push the button, Frank, and blow all of Hollywood up.
 

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The writers' room issue seems fairly easy to resolve; instead of mandating a minimum room size, require the studio to allow the showrunner to hire up to a certain number of writers (the number still being based on the size of the show). The runner doesn't have to hire up to the full complement if they think they'd end up with useless mouths, and doesn't have to worry about the studio forcing them to work with a skeleton crew either.
No. If you are a showrunner and everyone knows you can give out 3 to 12 "free" paychecks but are choosing not too. Word will get around, especially in dick sucking / favor trading world like Hollywood. They will just give out the spots to nepo babies for favors to help their next show or help them with fuckery on their current show.
 
Maybe this is unheard of crazy talk, but I don't think actors should be making living wage off of jobs they did 15+ years ago.
Isn't that how all passive income works? Create something of value--a rental property, a stock portfolio, an audiovisual work--and get paid for it as long as it makes money. That's an oversimplification, but that is how compensation works in their industry, it's the result of the negotiation between actors and people who want to buy acting. And if you think the actors are making off like bandits, the IP owners are getting paid as long as the thing is in copyright, which could be decades after all the actors are dead.
 
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As a software developer I don't get anything besides my salary for stuff I write, no matter how much it makes the company. or for how long.

Similarly I don't think almost anyone in game development(artists, writers, voice over, mocap etc) get any residuals either, except some at the top may get performance bonuses.
 
Are writers rooms going to get stuffed with diversity hires?

2 writes, 6 diversity hires just to pad out the numbers. Oh man, that would be great.
You really don't need all these fucking writers, man. A lot of the properties we grew up relied on one guy with one vision, and was often the main writer: Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, Dune, A Song of Ice and Fire, blah, blah, blah. 20 writers writing stuff was not needed for these projects. Editors and advisors, sure, but not writers. Otherwise, you're just creating a mess of a story, like with the Transformers live-action franchise. J. Michael Straczynski wrote 92 of the 110 episodes of Babylon 5.
 
While the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers has made some concessions, including agreeing to provide streaming viewership data, the studio group has not agreed to a key WGA demand for a minimum staff size for TV writers rooms.
I get the idea behind the minimum writing staff size as an AI counter, but the levels they are asking for are completely retarded.
This seems part for the course most of the time there is a minimum staffing requirement - especially with union jobs. My experience is that the demanded minimum staffing amount is inflated, more than what's needed, and higher than the status quo - requiring management to spend money it may not necessarily have now or in the future since we know these minimum staffing numbers, once enshrined in a union contract, will likely never decrease.

Several showrunners told Variety they did not want to be forced to hire writers who are not needed. In its worst form, they say, that would amount to “featherbedding,” an illegal labor practice in which employers are required by union rules to hire workers who do no work.
Almost sounds akin to the UAW's demand that workers get paid for 40 hours and only work 32.

It's one thing for union to want decent wages and good working conditions. But all the unions on strike or threatening strike right now seem to expect the most greedy of their demands to be fulfilled when they would not be sustainable long term.
 
This seems part for the course most of the time there is a minimum staffing requirement - especially with union jobs. My experience is that the demanded minimum staffing amount is inflated, more than what's needed, and higher than the status quo - requiring management to spend money it may not necessarily have now or in the future since we know these minimum staffing numbers, once enshrined in a union contract, will likely never decrease.
Good. It doesn't matter how many gormless fuckheads the system is forced to hire, it won't make their products suck any less. It will just mean more hands clutching at scraps on an ever-shrinking plate.
Let the entire fucking system ossify into uselessness and insolvency, and take as many of these scumfucks with it into oblivion as possible when it crumbles.
 
The writers' room issue seems fairly easy to resolve; instead of mandating a minimum room size, require the studio to allow the showrunner to hire up to a certain number of writers (the number still being based on the size of the show). The runner doesn't have to hire up to the full complement if they think they'd end up with useless mouths, and doesn't have to worry about the studio forcing them to work with a skeleton crew either.
No. If you are a showrunner and everyone knows you can give out 3 to 12 "free" paychecks but are choosing not too. Word will get around, especially in dick sucking / favor trading world like Hollywood. They will just give out the spots to nepo babies for favors to help their next show or help them with fuckery on their current show.
I think I have the perfect solution:
Mandate a certain writing BUDGET that is split by however many writers there are. 6 writers, 6-way split. 12 writers, 12-way split.
Watch the blood fly as they turn on each other.


Maybe this is unheard of crazy talk, but I don't think actors should be making living wage off of jobs they did 15+ years ago.
I agree, why should work done that you were PAID FOR decades ago equal the same amount of cash in current day?

I can understand a few grand or maybe a bit more a year, but tens of thousands for a year or MONTH for 6 weeks of work 10+ years ago is absolutely ridiculous.
Studios are making money, the little guy should too.
Bruce Campbell talks in his autobiography about how for Army of Darkness - a movie he made with his friend, with friends, minimal jews...what I'm saying is no one trying to fuck each other - he got paid about $200,000. He was required to be available for reshoots, post-production (re-record lines, etc)... all told, about 4 years of his life. Or $50,000/year which was about what a middle class income was. He got the starring role in Brisco County Jr, and spend almost the next decade doing bit parts that wouldn't earn a living wage and his next starring role is Bubba-Hotep.
Doing movie/TV shit (for actors) is demanding and takes a lot of time and dedication. For writers, they generally earn shit starting out. This weeds out the non-hackers, and turns into a big passive income later in life. Its a gamble that doesn't always pay off. As long as the sort of money is flowing into hollywood flows in I'm not going to begrude the jewdios having to parcel some of it out.

Look, if you need any proof that residuals are a good thing, see how the studios screech about them.

Are writers rooms going to get stuffed with diversity hires?

2 writes, 6 diversity hires just to pad out the numbers. Oh man, that would be great.
This is already happening.

Rate me autistic, but I didn't think Picard was too bad.
Were your dropped on the head as a child, or is this the lead paint at work?
 
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