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What are the UAP?

  • PsyOp

    Votes: 578 52.2%
  • Glitches

    Votes: 115 10.4%
  • Illusion

    Votes: 132 11.9%
  • Ayylamos

    Votes: 360 32.5%
  • Extradimensional Entity

    Votes: 281 25.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 239 21.6%
  • Atlantis

    Votes: 152 13.7%

  • Total voters
    1,108
MH370 video has been pretty much proven to contain a digital asset, SHOCKWV.mov from the Pyromania Vol. 1 effects catalog created in around 1996. Archive of the original page is still available.
Portal (left) vs stock effect (right)
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Video comparison showing distinctive similarities

Full SHOCKWV.MOV
So yeah, pretty sure that confirms it's a hoax video. Sorry @Iapetus bro.
 
Imagine the amount of autism required to spend that much time to put this together.
Either autism overload or poor quality gayops. 2014 gayops too, with God knows what purpose.
It effectively derailed multiple parts of the ufo community into entertaining a conspiracy theory the press can now use to spin the congress hearing, Grusch, Coulthard and everything else into Q-anon level bs.

Timing of it suddenly popping off out of nowhere aside, the company who produced the effect is VCE, now known as VCE Films. Literal DoD and DoE asset. Told ya it glowed.
 
Timing of it suddenly popping off out of nowhere aside, the company who produced the effect is VCE, now known as VCE Films. Literal DoD and DoE asset. Told ya it glowed.
I'll admit that it looked quite convincing to me. The only thing that prevented me from saying "yeah that's proof of at least tech we don't understand" is my cynicism and understanding that there are people with skills, money and motivations to put out fakes like these.
It's fucked up that we're being gayopped like this. I'm not even gonna bother speculating on the reasons.
 
I don't know why anyone would buy it anyway, certainly it being MH370. Pieces of that plane have washed ashore. Are we to believe then that the alien teleporation clipped off a couple of pieces? Or that they came back to drop off a couple of pieces to cover it up? Or was the idea that those pieces were planted by glowies to coverup for the aliens?
 
It effectively derailed multiple parts of the ufo community into entertaining a conspiracy theory the press can now use to spin the congress hearing, Grusch, Coulthard and everything else into Q-anon level bs.

Timing of it suddenly popping off out of nowhere aside, the company who produced the effect is VCE, now known as VCE Films. Literal DoD and DoE asset. Told ya it glowed.
The videos never had much traction outside of South American social media until they started getting posted on 4chan's /x/ board a few weeks ago. Bizarrely, the /x/ threads had so much astroturfed derailment that anything interesting or productive happened on the UFO subreddit. The two tinfoil options are that the IC intentionally went overboard with thread derailment to give the videos more credibility, or the IC had nothing to do with getting the videos noticed but are just generally going HAM on derailing anything UAP related. If the videos were supposed to be a distraction I would actually consider it a failure because the fakes were sussed out before congress returns to "work" next month. The real fight is going to be putting enough pressure on legislators to actually follow through while dealing with a non stop barrage of bullshit from the IC and their media surrogates.
 
MH370 video has been pretty much proven to contain a digital asset, SHOCKWV.mov from the Pyromania Vol. 1 effects catalog created in around 1996. Archive of the original page is still available.
Portal (left) vs stock effect (right)
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Video comparison showing distinctive similaritiesView attachment 5281965
Full SHOCKWV.MOV
View attachment 5281960
So yeah, pretty sure that confirms it's a hoax video. Sorry @Iapetus bro.
Not personally invested in it being right, and honestly a little glad that it's fake. The implications around it being real would be too much for me, personally.

Its resurfacing recently seems very orchestrated in hindsight. Strange.
 
The real fight is going to be putting enough pressure on legislators to actually follow through while dealing with a non stop barrage of bullshit from the IC and their media surrogates.
Absolutely, I hope American citizens are going to keep up the pressure on their politicians to do so. My money's on a coordinated media pushback.
Not personally invested in it being right, and honestly a little glad that it's fake. The implications around it being real would be too much for me, personally.

Its resurfacing recently seems very orchestrated in hindsight. Strange.
Nah, I was just having a laugh bud. I think the majority of posters here have enough critical thinking to be logical about it, you included. There's a reason why nobody really pushed it to the forefront here, and I don't blame anybody for being curious.
 
Maybe the Aliens went back in time and placed the effect in the pack to make us think it wasn't real.
Lol, this is the best representation of the mental state of UFO subreddits right now. If anyone here wants a laugh, go have a watch. It's both hilarious and depressing seeing the gymnastics going on to refuse the truth. From misunderstanding how webarchives work, to claiming it isn't really an exact match because it's maybe slightly different (Ignoring that assets can be modified), to saying the satellite footage must be real and the effect was added to the drone footage to discredit the community, etc... Actually, don't do that. Reddit's fucking brain cancer.
 
MH370 video has been pretty much proven to contain a digital asset, SHOCKWV.mov from the Pyromania Vol. 1 effects catalog created in around 1996. Archive of the original page is still available.
Portal (left) vs stock effect (right)
View attachment 5281959
Video comparison showing distinctive similaritiesView attachment 5281965
Full SHOCKWV.MOV
View attachment 5281960
So yeah, pretty sure that confirms it's a hoax video. Sorry @Iapetus bro.
Most of r/UFOs is in denial (well id say its 50/50). Some of the threads about the asset not matching up, as well as how common in nature the "splash" effect is when recorded, adds a little bit of doubt. This is just going to be one of those videos that never reaches consensus, but will eventually die out once the next big thing happens.

Personally, i think if we have ANY chance of learning ANYTHING, it will be through this whistleblower/pentagon ordeal. This airplane shit was always going to be a dead end, even IF it were real. You just cant prove anything.
 
Aside from the "reactionless drive" thing visiting alien spacecraft are said to have, another thing making me skeptical of UFO lore is their lack of heat radiators. In vacuum, excess heat can only be released via radiation: convection and conduction do not work.

more info:

Reactionless Drives - Atomic Rockets

Heat Radiators - Atomic Rockets

(long and image heavy pages)
 
I think an interesting option is missing. In addition to off-worlders, extra-dimensionals and so on. Why not from the future? I mean it's not my number one or even two theory but it should be considered.
 
Aside from the "reactionless drive" thing visiting alien spacecraft are said to have, another thing making me skeptical of UFO lore is their lack of heat radiators. In vacuum, excess heat can only be released via radiation: convection and conduction do not work.

more info:

Reactionless Drives - Atomic Rockets

Heat Radiators - Atomic Rockets

(long and image heavy pages)
An Alcubierre Drive is not Reactionless in the traditional sense, as it does not violate the conservation of momentum and energy, but instead manipulates Spacetime itself to achieve apparent faster than light motion.

The Objects are likely emitting significant Radiation, which is then being Red Shifted by the generated field.

If the Object was emitting Radar Signals while moving towards you, the light would then Blue Shift, and depending on the Frequency Range, you as an outside observer would detect it as flashing lights.

This is likely why people often report the Objects as blinking when observed. It's likely Backscatter that has been Blue Shifted into the visible range, bouncing off the Radar after its returned to the Object.
 
I don't know so much about the propensity of red and brown dwarf stars to shit charged particles into their solar system but if you want to be interstellar Uncle Ted then digging into the crust of a planet orbiting that type of star seems like a good idea. You'd probably have to keep the water supply up by bringing in comets from the outer system, which would increase observability to outsiders

Oh that is possible, and they could just recycle their water. Soylent yellow is made from ayyy peepeepoopoo.

But my point was, the civilisation would need to orginiate somewhere else and then, when they teched up, go to the red dwarf system to set up their emp proof bunkers under the barren rock.

So red dwarf systems aren't good for life, and especially bad for advanced tech that needs electricity.

So even if the tidal locked, rad blasted worlds do get life, and it manages to get complex, we'll be facing at best 18th century steampunk aboriginals there.
 
Alcubierre Drive
There's potential problems with that as well.

Crazy big energy requirements, the possible need for negative energy, the inside of the warp bubble being incinerated at Planck temperature* by Hawking radiation when superluminal, no way to get the bubble superluminal in the first place, and no way to interact with the warp bubble once it's up. And even if none of that were an issue, there's the possibility that particles building up on the warp bubble during a trip would be released at the end of the journey in a "wave cannon" beam of destruction.

As for the Doppler shift thing, I dunno if warp bubbles work that way, and even if they did, it still means the warp bubble has to work in the first place. Also even that still doesn't solve the problem of getting rid of the excess heat in the first place.

PS: Why word it as "the Object"? I heard some news report also calling a UFO that.

* ~1.41E32°K
 
There's potential problems with that as well.
There's problems with literally everything I'm saying.

Crazy big energy requirements
Even that's an understatement. It's unfathomable what it would require.

the possible need for negative energy
I think it's a necessity, which, as you've said, is highly problematic. I'm not going to hand wave this with the Casimir Effect, there's still a long way to go before we can say it's possible.

the inside of the warp bubble being incinerated at Planck temperature* by Hawking radiation when superluminal
If we're able to detect the Object in any fashion beyond Hawking Radiation it suggests that the field is not a closed system (reaching to the Event Horizon) relative to our Universal standpoint. If it's not a closed system then heat can dissipate.

If it IS a closed system, relative to our Universe, that's only to say that it's a closed system to OUR Universe. But the nature of manipulating Spacetime would then suggest that the excess energy could be ejected "elsewhere". The act of closing a system and opening a system at this point would be one and the same. You would not be limited to manipulating only a single field. There are actually some very intriguing AAWSAP/AATIP documents about the potentials of this that I posted earlier in the thread. Since we're still on TOR and I should be in bed right now I'm not going to bother finding them at this moment but they're in here somewhere, I believe they were highlighted. There was even a suggestion in the documents that you could maintain a separate field to sustain biological life within the Craft. All speculation of course, and maybe a psyop, who knows.

there's the possibility that particles building up on the warp bubble during a trip would be released at the end of the journey in a "wave cannon" beam of destruction.
Spacetime should be highly contracted in front of the Object, so friction and drag would not be anywhere close to conventional standards. That said there should be some amount of it regardless, and it would probably be wise to travel in "steps", mapping out a route with the least amount of friction each time.

Why word it as "the Object"?
This is actually just something I do often in my own personal notes and documents that I seemed to have carried over into how I post online. It might have something to do with my ADHD, I tend to go out of my way to capitalize certain core or critical words that are central to my train of thought. I think it just helps me orient myself.
 
I was going to say that speculating about the future technology needed for interstellar travel isn't fruitful. They can get here slowly if they want to. But if the same "drive" could be used for maneuvering in-atmosphere, I guess you gotta talk about it.

U.S. Rep. Eric Burlison, R-Missouri on UFO’s: ‘They’re either angels or man-made’ (archive)
Why does Vern Buchanan not want fellow Republicans looking into UFOs? (archive)
Lawmakers Say the Truth Is Out There on UFOs—If They Get a New Committee (archive)
This would be a hit piece if there were no Dems involved, but Wired already went there.
Want to Find UFOs? That's a Job for Machine Learning (archive)

https://twitter.com/ChrisKMellon/status/1692921146159550565 (archive)
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https://twitter.com/MikeDisclosure/status/1692998560826970489 (archive)
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