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yea i played the whole game, i just liked the atmosphere and mystery aspect. all the dialog and stuff was big cringe tho
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Another bump
Scott Benson, who I probably should've sperged about in Personal Lolcows instead of here, turned 40 late last month (archive).
And before you look at it yourself, his Twitter still has much of the same as I've mentioned last year, that being:
"Capitalism bad"
"Republicans bad"
"People with politics to the right of Marx bad"
"Police bad" (#ACAB)
"American Taliban bad" (albeit nothing exactly like that yet)
"Supreme court decisions I don't like bad"
"Lol mah quirky cat"
"Lol mah quirky socialist humor"
"How u do fellow Pennsylvanians?" (actually the most interesting stuff he posts on his twitter)
"How u do fellow gamers?"
"Plz take me seriously as a game developer and not an artist"
Also, its been two years since Alec Holowaka took his own life, so that's a sad thing to think about
Scott Benson, who I probably should've sperged about in Personal Lolcows instead of here, turned 40 late last month (archive).
And before you look at it yourself, his Twitter still has much of the same as I've mentioned last year, that being:
"Capitalism bad"
"Republicans bad"
"People with politics to the right of Marx bad"
"Police bad" (#ACAB)
"American Taliban bad" (albeit nothing exactly like that yet)
"Supreme court decisions I don't like bad"
"Lol mah quirky cat"
"Lol mah quirky socialist humor"
"How u do fellow Pennsylvanians?" (actually the most interesting stuff he posts on his twitter)
"How u do fellow gamers?"
"Plz take me seriously as a game developer and not an artist"
Also, its been two years since Alec Holowaka took his own life, so that's a sad thing to think about
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Necroing and I don't care because I just played through the game again for the first time in like 4+ years and it still holds up for me.
Cringe politics from the devs aside, I find Night in the Woods to be a very comfy game. I love the music, the aesthetic and I have a soft spot in my heart for rural towns in the American northeast. If you aren't achievement hunting like me who kept soft resetting on Pumpkin Head Guy until I mastered the bass solo (I didn't), you can blow through a playthrough in about eight hours. It honestly gets pretty damn spooky and unnerving in the second half of the game, which makes it great to play around Halloween.
And for what it's worth, I'm glad NitW ultimately didn't become another Undertale. I was a little worried that would have happened back in 2017, but it thankfully found its own niche instead. A sequel generated from the would-be hype would honestly be kind of disastrous in retrospect, since the game intentionally leaves a ton of stuff ambiguous like the identity of the cult members, what ultimately happened to Bruce, the nature of the Black Goat, etc.
Cringe politics from the devs aside, I find Night in the Woods to be a very comfy game. I love the music, the aesthetic and I have a soft spot in my heart for rural towns in the American northeast. If you aren't achievement hunting like me who kept soft resetting on Pumpkin Head Guy until I mastered the bass solo (I didn't), you can blow through a playthrough in about eight hours. It honestly gets pretty damn spooky and unnerving in the second half of the game, which makes it great to play around Halloween.
And for what it's worth, I'm glad NitW ultimately didn't become another Undertale. I was a little worried that would have happened back in 2017, but it thankfully found its own niche instead. A sequel generated from the would-be hype would honestly be kind of disastrous in retrospect, since the game intentionally leaves a ton of stuff ambiguous like the identity of the cult members, what ultimately happened to Bruce, the nature of the Black Goat, etc.
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Announcement of Scott Benson's new game just came out called Revenant Hill (https://revenanthill.com/). Years ago, Scott Benson and his wife Bethany Hockenberry established a co-op for this game's development called The Glory Society which also included artist and composer Wren Farren (a TIM) as a co-founder. However, it was recently revealed by Wren that he was let go a little over a month before the announcement of Revenant Hill with his work replaced by another artist's and any art assets that he created and implemented in the game left uncredited.
Tweet months prior to him finally being let go.
https://archive.is/JYUBt
Announcement tweet from him about being let go.
https://archive.is/n5JY
Brutal.
https://archive.is/5K2EB
https://archive.is/yHSWQ
Unfortunately, I was not able to find a cap or archive of the tweet where Wren specifically complains about not being credited for used art assets and it has since been deleted. However, his followers have all let Scott know of this misdeed.
https://archive.is/ItvYS
Adding this because I found this reply to Wren's deleted tweet amusing.
https://archive.is/jfCYp
It will be interesting seeing if this goes anywhere since this type of behavior goes against what Scott apparently stands for.
Tweet months prior to him finally being let go.
https://archive.is/JYUBt
Announcement tweet from him about being let go.
https://archive.is/n5JY
Brutal.
https://archive.is/5K2EB
https://archive.is/yHSWQ
Unfortunately, I was not able to find a cap or archive of the tweet where Wren specifically complains about not being credited for used art assets and it has since been deleted. However, his followers have all let Scott know of this misdeed.
https://archive.is/ItvYS
Adding this because I found this reply to Wren's deleted tweet amusing.
https://archive.is/jfCYp
It will be interesting seeing if this goes anywhere since this type of behavior goes against what Scott apparently stands for.
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If anything major actually comes of this it would shock me. This kind of behavior from supposed communists is common and unsurprising. This will boil for a few days and slowly cool off in a few weeks.
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Sometimes I so very badly want a meteor to strike this planet
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Night in the Woods is one of my favourite indie games out there. But I after the shitshow with Holowka, everytime I want to play this game I shamelessly pirate it, the bastards who threw him under the bus will not get a dime from me.
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Necroing this old thread, but; it really does suck how everything surrounding this game went down. NITW was a solid game overall, if you could get past some of the more major issues - the political shit shoved into it still makes me cringe thinking about it - and I remember that this game was not only supposed to have a prequel that would have filled in some of the gaps in the story, but also possibly a sequel as well. Of course, after Alec got fucked over and killed himself thanks to Quinn and her followers, NITW was basically buried and forgotten; it's all kinda sad in a way.
Part of me does think about returning and finishing the game off from time to time; it was a massive favorite of mine back in the day, and I got pretty close to getting the Platinum trophy on it. Of course, after everything that happened with Alec, it kinda made me move away from it, and with all of the troon shit and political crap that's been infesting everything these days - and with how NITW shamelessly parrots it thanks to Scott - it makes me honestly wish that I could forget about the game instead.
Which is the biggest shame about all of it; NITW has a really good setting, the lore behind it is really interesting, and I really do wish we could have gotten more information about characters such as Casey Hartley and such. And yet, politics infested it and killed it; I still find it hilarious how heavy-handed the writing was at points, what with the "cosmic horror = capitalism" and the fucking troon goat (Jackie) and other shit. I dunno, I just wish things didn't go down the way they did, I guess.
Apologizes if this was dumb or made me look MATI; just wanted to post some thoughts.
EDIT: Fixed some mistakes.
Part of me does think about returning and finishing the game off from time to time; it was a massive favorite of mine back in the day, and I got pretty close to getting the Platinum trophy on it. Of course, after everything that happened with Alec, it kinda made me move away from it, and with all of the troon shit and political crap that's been infesting everything these days - and with how NITW shamelessly parrots it thanks to Scott - it makes me honestly wish that I could forget about the game instead.
Which is the biggest shame about all of it; NITW has a really good setting, the lore behind it is really interesting, and I really do wish we could have gotten more information about characters such as Casey Hartley and such. And yet, politics infested it and killed it; I still find it hilarious how heavy-handed the writing was at points, what with the "cosmic horror = capitalism" and the fucking troon goat (Jackie) and other shit. I dunno, I just wish things didn't go down the way they did, I guess.
Apologizes if this was dumb or made me look MATI; just wanted to post some thoughts.
EDIT: Fixed some mistakes.
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There's nothing wrong with liking it, but going back and playing it with the benefit of hindsight will reveal something hilarious to you: You can 100% tell the scenes that Alec wrote and the scenes that Benson wrote just by character dialogue alone; the scenes where Mae grows as a person and has more genuine character development are reactions are almost all universally Alec's work; the ones where she comes across as a fucking sped (like the donut shop and pretzel shop) are Benson's.
Benson will keep making shit with the trappings of NITW, but the reason a genuine sequel will never materialize is the same (actual) reason Fez 2 could never happen: The dev who headlines isn't the fucking developer who made it. In Fez 2's case, Fish basically stole the game at the zero hour from the other people he worked with. In NITW's case, Alec was the beating heart and soul of what made the original work - the better parts of the characterization, the attempts to flesh out the setting, the more human elements of the characters that make the fucking narrative work in the first place - all of those were things Alec put there. He put a lot of himself into the supporting cast, and it showed.
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Hard agree with everything you said, @Jaimas. Hell, even back when I was running through the game the first time back in 2018-2019, I already noticed the differences in quality between Scott's shit and the other writers'; Benson can't stop putting his politics into everything, and it shows. The tranny goat going on this insane-sounding rant about "punching a fascist in the face" and having a one-troon band called "Trans World Order Give Them Hell" - I wish I was joking - is probably the thing that stands the most out about Benson's writing, though the "cult of conservative uncles" bit from the end is a very close second.
And... yea, it does suck that we're never going to get a proper sequel, or any other content for NITW; Alec's death pretty much destroyed any hope of anything for the game. Nowadays, the only things NITW is ever used for is either porn art from furries, or troon shit from fags... and the Venn Diagram for those two groups is pretty much a circle, really. Part of me does wish that a more competent/sane writer could pick the franchise up and give us a proper continuation, or at least fill in some of the holes; the abrupt ending made it pretty clear that there was going to be some more to the series, and I know an epilogue was in the works when Alec died. I also know the fanbase is working on a NITW dating sim with Benson's blessing, called Love In The Woods; at this point, though, with how the fanbase has been acting... I sadly don't have much hope.
Seriously, could you imagine what NITW would have been like if it was made today? There'd be minigames dedicated to rioting and climate change shit for sure.
And... yea, it does suck that we're never going to get a proper sequel, or any other content for NITW; Alec's death pretty much destroyed any hope of anything for the game. Nowadays, the only things NITW is ever used for is either porn art from furries, or troon shit from fags... and the Venn Diagram for those two groups is pretty much a circle, really. Part of me does wish that a more competent/sane writer could pick the franchise up and give us a proper continuation, or at least fill in some of the holes; the abrupt ending made it pretty clear that there was going to be some more to the series, and I know an epilogue was in the works when Alec died. I also know the fanbase is working on a NITW dating sim with Benson's blessing, called Love In The Woods; at this point, though, with how the fanbase has been acting... I sadly don't have much hope.
Seriously, could you imagine what NITW would have been like if it was made today? There'd be minigames dedicated to rioting and climate change shit for sure.
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I distinctly remember Jackie having way less politically-charged dialogue prior to the Weird Autumn update. Could be me misremembering, but I feel it in my gut that Scott Benson went back and made them even more insufferable.
I do think it’s funny that Jackie’s whole character is advocating violence and threatening to beat the shit out of people, because that is definitely something natal women do and not far-left eunuchs LARPing as 70s crustpunks.
I love Bea, she’s my favorite character, but she has shit taste in friends.
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Yeah, Jackie is probably one of the few characters in NITW that I legit hate; he's only there for pandering to the fags and contributes nothing other than cringe. Slightly off-topic, but; wasn't the whole "punch a fascist" thing based on an actual incident? Cause if so, it's even more retarded than I thought.
From what I remember; Bea is noted to be a Socialist, which certainly contributes to her choice of friends.
I do kinda wish the game was a bit more consistent with its story, because it goes from a quiet story about growing up for most of it, to a sudden mystery/ghost story/cosmic horror story during the latter bits, and it results in an inconsistent tone at points. Frankly, I find the cosmic horror stuff to be the more interesting of the two, and I kinda wish they focused more on that. Hell, if I remember correctly, NITW was originally going to be more focused on the "mystery/horror" angle; Mae was originally supposed to be developing supernatural abilities that she could have used for exploration originally, from what I remember from an early preview, and a lot more of the lore was originally developed for the game.
I dunno; what would you guys have preferred to see? I admit, I'm not entirely displeased with the product that we got, and I am still considering going back and finishing it, but I can't help but feel that both the original cut content, plus the stuff that we never got thanks to Alec's death, could've been really interesting.
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The inconsistencies in writing are glaringly obvious, the game goes from hauntingly beautiful monologues on loneliness and almost Bradbury-esque sadness of childhood gone to HECK YEAH BASH THE FASH DO CRIMES ACAB so suddenly it gives you whiplash.
You already have a supernatural ability to jump extra high if you do it three times, what more can you ask for. I eventually realized that the abrupt ending to the story is acually fitting as it enforces the main theme of the game: no man is a story protagonist, there is no God (and if there is, he does not give a damn about you) and accepting that not all stories will have a happy ending is just as an integral part of growing up as renouncing your belief in Santa Claus. Not all good deeds are rewarded, there is no cosmic justice, and sacrificing people in the mines will not bring back Possum Springs' goddamn honey.
Mae's future looks bleak. Bea is a cynic, but her words that Greg and Angus are being kept together by peer pressure and will drift apart after they move to the big town seem to be uncomfortably on point. The Borowski house is mortgaged and they cannot afford not to have it seized. You are all grown up now and will never experience the careless joy of adolescence ever again.
At the end of everything, hold on to anything.
It is beautiful. And it is also why Alec was teetering on the brink of suicide and only needed a wee little push from his co-creators and Zoe to take the plunge. No, I do not think we need a sequel.
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I think what sticks in my craw to this day about how NITW handles its themes of cosmic nihilism is how dismissive and sometimes outright hostile the narrative is towards religion and religious characters, and we're not really able to explore how they deal with the barrage of shit that's called living in Possum Springs in their own ways, rather than consigning all the talk of how nothing matters a small handful of leftists in their early twenties.
It's evident that Scott and co. detest the idea of God and organized religion by extension when accounting for the narrative's treatment of Pastor K, and more egregiously, how they gave Angus a whole retarded monologue about he became a big gay fedoralord all because he couldn't develop psychic powers to save himself from a traumatic home life. It speaks to the devs' shallow views on faith in general, but considering their political affiliations, none of this should surprise anybody.
None of this is to discredit the final message of the game, and in a lot of ways I think At the end of everything, hold on to anything. is rather sweet, but it really says a lot about the game's writing that people aren't allowed to reject the idea of nothing really mattering and life having no meaning, as if that's supposed to be a prerequisite for an existentialist worldview.
It's evident that Scott and co. detest the idea of God and organized religion by extension when accounting for the narrative's treatment of Pastor K, and more egregiously, how they gave Angus a whole retarded monologue about he became a big gay fedoralord all because he couldn't develop psychic powers to save himself from a traumatic home life. It speaks to the devs' shallow views on faith in general, but considering their political affiliations, none of this should surprise anybody.
None of this is to discredit the final message of the game, and in a lot of ways I think At the end of everything, hold on to anything. is rather sweet, but it really says a lot about the game's writing that people aren't allowed to reject the idea of nothing really mattering and life having no meaning, as if that's supposed to be a prerequisite for an existentialist worldview.
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Yeah, looking back on the game; that's pretty telling, how the devs were so obsessed with making everything having this air of misery and depression; sounds like how the wokeshit of today are, really. I admit, I have my own thoughts on religion and people who follow it, but I'm not exactly fond of "writing" like this.
Looking back on Angus's little filibuster; hell, I'm shocked he didn't state that his parents were "evil Christian Conservatives". Would've fit with a lot of the other heavy-handed writing that happens in the game, like that bear's poem talking about how they want to "burn capitalism", Jackie screeching about "punching fascists", the fact that most of the main characters in the game are some flavor of LGBT+ or Socialist/Communist or other kinds of leftist, the whole thing with the Black Goat and the cult being this stand-in for "evil right-wing people/capitalism"...
Coupled with how Mae tends to act - mostly in the early game, admittedly - and... well, hindsight really doesn't paint a good picture of NITW. I mean, there's enough there to be enjoyable, but...
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God's punishment for believing Zoe's lies
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Wren's comments on it. He still comes up on my feed once in a while, but I stopped following him when I learned he was a troon/fetish weirdo. No idea who he's talking about. Personally, I didn't have any strong feelings on the RH pseudo-sequel. I didn't know he was downgraded though lol, wonder if it was troon narcissism etc that did it. Are there examples of the before/after changing his assets?
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over the past 12 months he got very sick and it "did not go away"
severe heart failure "from a virus"
He's a sextoquintouple boosted vaxxed nigger isn't he?