Patrick Sean Tomlinson / @stealthygeek / "Torque Wheeler" / @RealAutomanic / Kempesh / Padawan v2.5 - "Conservative" sci-fi author with TDS, armed "drunk with anger management issues" and terminated parental rights, actual tough guy, obese, paid Quasi, paid thousands to be repeatedly unbanned from Twitter

AutoClownMaker said:
That would be dumb. Why?

For $10 in Milwaukee county you can buy a copy of the audio of the hearing.

Yea, the court knows your name then. But $10 is cheap and "official".
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There isn’t going to be audio of this hearing, though. That’s already been confirmed with the court. So it’ll be transcript only.
 
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Counterfeit Obol said:
What, the hearing or getting thrown into the slammer?
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An opportunity to become complaint with the court orders has to be provided. So if they jailed him for failure, after they let him out they'd have to give him an opportunity to start working at making payments. Can't just jail him for a month, then bring him to court and say "hey you didn't play last month while you were locked up so I'm sending you back there until you do".
 
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He's so fucking stupid. Obstinate fucking baby.
He's lost.
He had the chance to appeal. Nothing he can do now can change the facts.
Anyone with any self respect would just want to put this behind them
Not Pat though. He's gonna keep tilting at windmills like an absolute retard and fuck himself even more in the process.
All he's doing now is providing more reasons to laugh at him and more things to shit on him over.
His posts get thrown back in his face and he just looks like a total retard.
It's fucking bizarre.
 
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MaltVinegarRespecter said:
An opportunity to become complaint with the court orders has to be provided. So if they jailed him for failure, after they let him out they'd have to give him an opportunity to start working at making payments. Can't just jail him for a month, then bring him to court and say "hey you didn't play last month while you were locked up so I'm sending you back there until you do".
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You know this already but people often get confused about contempt and what it actually means. There are multiple kinds.

There are also multiple remedies, based on what kind of contempt it is.

So I'll do a quick rundown.

The most obvious is also the least common. It's also the most dramatic, so the most well known. That's direct contempt. That's when someone chimps out and disrupts the proceedings right in front of the judge. That's the kind where you can just immediately get hauled off to jail just on the say-so of the judge.

This is a punitive sanction. It is meant to punish this behavior. Generally, there is a limit on how long this can happen. In theory, this is limited to "de minimis" detention, which some states consider six months. In reality, it's usually more like a spell in the drunk tank, that is, until the next day or even just the end of business of the court day, so someone might spend an hour or two in jail. And even the longer ones are generally reversed if the goofball appeals.

That's just for the cases where the judge just summarily throws someone in jail. They can also be charged with criminal contempt, which requires a trial, and sentenced according to statute. In Wisconsin, that can be for a year.

That's the most likely (which is to say not very likely) way Fatty ends up in jail. He oinks and childs the judge and doesn't lol calm down when ordered to.

What he's currently facing is indirect contempt, the most common form of contempt. That's when you violate a court order. Quasi is claiming he is violating a court order. I haven't seen the court order, but it's possible that when you agree to a payment plan under this amortization statute and the court approves it, that it counts as a court order. He also appears to have failed to appear for a debtor's examination, which is also probably a court order (and one he essentially consented to).

So there are two basic kinds of remedy in contempt cases. One is punitive, to punish the very act. Obviously, criminal contempt has punitive sanctions. That's it's point.

But in indirect contempt, the general purpose is to get compliance with the court order. So nothing more than is necessary to get that is justified on this theory. However, unlike punitive sanctions, the authority to ramp these up is basically unlimited, so long as the basic purpose of compliance is maintained. So you can be fined or jailed without limit until you cry uncle and comply.

The general legal adage about this is that jailed contemnors have "the keys of their prison in their own pockets" and are essentially choosing to enjoy prison by choosing to remain in contempt.

The final aspect of contempt remedies is compensation if one of the parties has been harmed by it. That's why Quasi is also seeking legal fees and costs. This is not, strictly speaking, punitive, even though it has a deterrent effect, but compensatory, so it is generally strictly limited to costs and fees rather than punitive damages (other than a few very rare exceptions I won't go into because I have already nerded up the place enough).
 
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Uncle Buck said:
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"No, child, I haven't been banned from every bar and restaurant in milwaukee, taco bell simply won the franchise wars, I'm sorry you're so stupid."
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@AnOminous is the Thursday 10AM slot likely to be when Pat has to appear before the judge to justify his request for a continuance? Trying to gauge if an independent journalist who will be in Milwaukee anyway should show up at the courthouse at that time. (Not sure if this particular appearance regarding the continuance request would be a public hearing or in camera.)
 
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John Andrews Stan said:
@AnOminous is the Thursday 10AM slot likely to be when Pat has to appear before the judge to justify his request for a continuance? Trying to gauge if an independent journalist who will be in Milwaukee anyway should show up at the courthouse at that time. (Not sure if this particular appearance regarding the continuance request would be a public hearing or in camera.)
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I actually have no clue. The continuance could be granted just on the papers.

Or this particular judge might want Fatty to appear in person to justify it.

I like the latter, although with a motion for a continuance, that's likely to be what happens. There's a possibility for the judge to let Fatty know the gravity of the situation (other than just that he is fat).
 
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Since Patso filed so very late, Patso needs to appear in person for the continuance according to what a Pest discovered about such things in Wisconsin. It will be the first order of business at the contempt hearing unless something happens before then. I predict motion denied. Patso will not be able to show good cause. An independent journalist should attend the hearing and report via the usual journalistic venues. If nothing else, said IJ could report that Patso was a no-show and now has a bench warrant out for his ass.

Quasi's lawyer's response should be amusing. I'm certain he would have submitted it sooner, but he had to spend some time in urgent care to get medical attention for some severe rib damage sustained after reading Patso's motion.

The Debtor's Exam was a court order, and it included an order to produce a whole lot of financial records, and submit written answers ( the interrogatories). Patso ignored all of it.
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AnOminous said:
I actually have no clue. The continuance could be granted just on the papers.

Or this particular judge might want Fatty to appear in person to justify it.

I like the latter, although with a motion for a continuance, that's likely to be what happens. There's a possibility for the judge to let Fatty know the gravity of the situation (other than just that he is fat).
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Back in March, Sosnay held some property managers in contempt for being no-shows, it was $1,000 a day penalty IIRC. It was a hearing about a dilapidated shopping mall that should have been torn down or something. Really apples and oranges situations but, it was something similar where a party neglected to perform duties expected of them ordered by a court, not too unlike fatty's situation. I am just a layman with very little court experience but, I would would assume Sosnay wants him in his court 10 am sharp to explain why a lying deadbeat needs more time to prepare for a hearing on why he's being a lying deadbeat, especially only 3 days before said hearing.
 
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AnOminous said:
The continuance could be granted just on the papers.
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If he’d filed last week that would almost certainly have been the case. The guidelines I’ve seen assert that requests made at this point require an in-person appearance. I know better than to assume that any bureaucracy will do what makes the most sense, so am not sure if they’ll use the Thursday 10AM slot already set aside or schedule something else. I guess we shall see.
 
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