Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[Sparkling Yuzu]

DARKNESS
IMPRISONING ME
SO I CAN BE
ABSOLUTE POONER
I CANNOT COPE
I CANNOT SNEED
TRAPPED IN MYSELF
AT LEAST I HAVE NO REGRETS

I will die of a brainstem stroke if someone makes an AI version of this.

 

[CyrusKissFanClub]

Yeah I was trying to picture it, like she just surrounds the chode with q-tips, wraps it up with surgical tape, and then puts a chode sized condom on over the top, and hopes the thing does just rip right off and become detatched mid way?
Absolutely Haram.

Someone should ask her for pictures because it's a great idea that other transmen can learn from. She's posted images of her Kochwurst, so a picture of it prepared for action shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Chandelier]

In the Tranny Sideshows thread I posted a pooner's guide on how to write pooners in fiction, particularly fanfiction. The part I didn't add was the bit on the affirming surgeries, which will be added here. I am not sure if this was ever posted, but there is an entire website where these people post their flappy rotdogs, with all the usual suspects - such as Dr. Crane - are mentioned. These photos, and the accopanying guide, were found here, in the 'FTM Anatomy' section. It also linked to this website where NSFW photos of FTM work can be viewed. The header for this website is 'FTM monster cocks.' The archived version of the website is here.

User switchbox has been on T for five years and seven months. Here is their 'monster cock'.

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User peachycream talks about her 'pretty little dick, all tied up.'

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"He says hi"

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Now, on to the botch jobs. These were fetched from phalloplasty.net, and are considered to be the 'better examples'. Lamprey dick has a challenger:

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A sad, floppy boy of a difference race.

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Turtle shell dick.

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You may well have seen these photos before, as Dr. Crane's 'work' has been featured here extensively. However, I think Ashley DeLeon has the best 'dough dicks'.

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Just like the real thing.

Here are more metoidioplasty pictures, the same procedure famous pooner Jaime Raines got (and what she's fucking her wife with now).

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The justification for posting these photos, according to the pooner who wrote the guide, was this:

Men's bodies come in all shapes and sizes, and many trans men look incredibly similar to cis men.
Part of the reason that trans men are so emasculated by cis women is the near-constant body shaming of men with standard or small penis sizes. If you are a man who does not conform to high expectations, whether because you are trans or intersex or just unique in physique, you are commonly mocked or infantilised. It's happened to me, and it's happened to cishet men I've known.

Take a look at that floppy lamprey dick and tell me if that is in any way comparable to the real thing.

Anti-FTM transphobia doesn't occur in a vacuum. I have more solidarity with cis men than ever before, since transitioning. Once you start noticing it, anti-men body shaming is everywhere, from family movies to magazines to fanfiction. That's part of the reason so many cis fangirls can't seem to characterise trans men as men. If we don't have penises, how could we possibly be dominant? How could we possibly be men? We must be boys. We must be soft and sweet and pliant and submissive. If we have small penises, how could we possibly satisfy a partner unless we're submissive? Of course we're a convenient target for forced feminisation fantasies, and exaggerated manifestations of the narrow expectations forced upon men.

The fact that there isn't a demand for transmen in porn with those frankendicks should tell you everything. There's a market for those weird-ass pseudo vaginas, prolapse and all, but none for those floppy, weird looking skin grafts you call a dick. Makes you wonder.

If you're going to write a trans man, you do not need to focus on his vagina as a focal point of his submissiveness. Consider exploring a range of bodies and ways to have sex. Even if a man does not have a penis, he can still dominate using his hands, his mouth, his front hole, and his words. He does not have to be submissive just because he has certain genitals, and you do not need to use female-typical language to describe him every single time you approach intimate scenes.

They want you to call that thing they carry around a dick, while calling vaginas 'front holes'.

 

[Imp]

Now, on to the botch jobs. These were fetched from phalloplasty.net, and are considered to be the 'better examples'. Lamprey dick has a challenger:

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this looks like a side view of a lanky thumb

 

[sheepworldvizor]

tfw when misgendered but can't get the nurse fired because can't communicate in any way.

One vertical eye movement means Bigot.
Two vertical eye movements means Fascist.
Of course, three vertical eye movements means Kill me please.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Of course, three vertical eye movements means Kill me please.

No, it means: I HAVE NO REGRETS!

 

[CyrusKissFanClub]

View attachment 5287062

You can put as many probiotics up your stinkditch as you like, and they will die because they won't get the nutrients they need to survive and reproduce. The vaginal mucosa provides the (mainly) lactobacilli with glycogen they feed on.


Krakowsky, Y., Potter, E., Hallarn, J., Monari, B., Wilcox, H., Bauer, G., Ravel, J., & Prodger, J. L. (2022). The Effect of Gender-Affirming Medical Care on the Vaginal and Neovaginal Microbiomes of Transgender and Gender-Diverse People. Frontiers in Cellular and Infection Microbiology, 11, 769950. https://doi.org/10.3389/fcimb.2021.769950

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcimb.2021.769950/full

In simpler terms, the skin from the dick and balls--like other skin--produces sloughed outer layer of skin (keratin), sebum ("oil"), and sweat. The good bacteria can't live off of keratin, sebum, and sweat constituents. However, bad bacteria can feed on the stuff that cock and ball skin produces, and these bacteria produce metabolites that stink, hence, the stinkditch.



Birse, K. D., Kratzer, K., Zuend, C. F., Mutch, S., Lamont, A., Abou, M., Jalil, E., Veloso, V., Grinsztejn, B., Friedman, R. K., Broliden, K., Bradley, F., Poliquin, V., Li, F., Yanavich, C., Burgener, A., & Aldrovandi, G. (2020). The neovaginal microbiome of transgender women post-gender reassignment surgery. Microbiome, 8(1), 1-13. https://doi.org/10.1186/s40168-020-00804-1

The neovaginal microbiome of transgender women post-gender reassignment surgery - Microbiome

Background Gender reassignment surgery is a procedure some transgender women (TW) undergo for gender-affirming purposes. This often includes the construction of a neovagina using existing penile and scrotal tissue and/or a sigmoid colon graft. There are limited data regarding the composition and...

microbiomejournal.biomedcentral.com

As is to be expected, stinkditches are colonized with (uncircumcised) dick bacteria since they are constructed from penile skin. The dick microbiome is transferred to the neovagina when it is constructed, and the products of the dick and balls skin nourish it.

ETA: URLs to papers cited, grammar, spelling convention

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

As is to be expected, stink-ditches are colonized with (uncircumcised) dick bacteria since they are constructed from penile skin. The dick biome is transferred to the neovagina when it is constructed and it is nourished by the products of the dick and balls skin.

All science in the world won't convince these men not to butcher their dicks. Perhaps 1 out of 1000 might reconsider but the rest will jump onto the dick butchers table and then claim that they got the real thing.

They only see what they want to see. They are doomed. There is no way to save them. Even if they read the study their internet echo chambers will convince them that it's not true and claiming otherwise is transphobia.

 

[Aunt Carol]

Hope the nurses are terfs.

This really could be dark, though. It's like the "they'll use your birth name when they bury you" meme, except unless this was the world's most proactive 20-something, it's going to be the parents making the care decisions.

The parents will be decorating her room, telling the staff at the LTC what name to call their daughter, her interests, what music and TV channels she likes to have on, providing the clothes to dress her.

The fact that they concluded intervention would be pointless in an otherwise healthy 23 year old suggests to me she was down for hours, possibly even a day or so. Since she wouldn't have been capable of voluntary movement, she couldn't have called for help herself, so it's not really her fault, but I think that it speaks to how socially isolated she must be. Nobody even thought to check on her? There were no friends or family members who thought it was unusual that she abruptly stopped responding to their texts or calls? She wasn't expected at a job or school? I really want to know the back story on this one.

You're probably not wrong, but someone can go to bed early with a headache, and if it's on a weekend...

I'd also like to know more about the background. I wonder if any of her friends visit her.

Is this locked in shit a common thing that can happen to Pooners?

Ischemic stroke is a risk of HRT. Locked-in Syndrome is a very rare but nightmare-inducing condition that can be caused by brainstem stroke (but also by infection, trauma, growth of a mass or a demyelinating disease). It's not caused specifically by exogenous hormones; it's just one of the slots on the roulette wheel.

 

[Poonocchio]

There’s a huge number of women who have had their lives wrecked by even a couple of months of these drugs.

Exactly. Unfortunately, I'm speaking from experience, that's why it scares me so much with giving them to children - it's nightmare fuel to think what it would do to growing bones.

 

[On a Journey]

When an intestinal anastomosis fails, "bowel contents" (shit) can leak through the defect, contaminating the abdominal cavity and causing acute peritonitis, which can progress to septic shock, multiple organ failure, and death within hours. Because of the mortality and morbidity associated with failure of a bowel anastomosis, surgeons are quite liberal with the staples. No, seriously.

Do they take the staples or something, or are there just staples in the intestine forever? It sounds so painful.

The stroke risk is significant enough that women with certain types of migraine can’t get the combined pill. But we happily dole out huge doses of hormones that shouldn’t be in males in more than small quantities, and troons go for DIY hormones too. Can’t stop the coom.

Since we’re on the subject of HRT, this is a really good read:

Estrogen is really bad for men​

https://mungeribabu.substack.com/p/estrogen-is-really-bad-for-men
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The author did a great job aggregating these studies, only the most delusional TRAs could seriously read the whole thing and still think giving men estrogen has no real downsides.

Turns out that the trans genocide they’re always fearmongering about was inside them all along.

More details about the interview mentioned in the first article:
https://mungeribabu.substack.com/p/my-conversation-with-hank
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It’s an 70-year-old male detransitioner talking about how HRT and surgery fucked up his body and life.

Excerpts:
“Within less than a couple of years of hormones, I started having brain fog – I just couldn’t remember anything. My memory became progressively worse. By the time I was forty, I had already had my first heart attack, and I have been on a cocktail of heart medicines ever since. I had a stone in my liver, of the type my doctors had never seen. [As a vet, Hank has access to VA healthcare.] I have had kidney stones. I have had gallbladder stones. I had stones in my saliva glands, the size of lemon seeds, and they had to operate inside my mouth to get them out. I have low back pain and rheumatoid arthritis. I have asthma. I have hypertension. I have scleroderma. I have had a retinal detachment in one of my eyes, and I have to get it reattached every few years. [Hank mentioned retinal detachment as something he has seen with several other male-to-female transitioners.] I have lost quite a bit of my sight in that eye. And I will soon lose sight completely in the other one.”

“A couple [of his trans friends] committed suicide because they could not deal with the constant barrage of physical and mental complications they were going through. These hormones and surgeries turn people into lifelong medical patients. It’s a constant drain on our lives – mental, physical, emotional, financial. I constantly forget things. I forget what I am doing or why I am doing something. I feel so sorry for the kids going into this for no reason.”

Exactly. Unfortunately, I'm speaking from experience, that's why it scares me so much with giving them to children - it's nightmare fuel to think what it would do to growing bones.

I also took Lupron for a few months, but thankfully I didn’t have any major complications. I was still very angry when I realized that when my doctor told me it was completely safe and reversible, it was a lie and she was probably getting paid by the company to push it on me. Learning that they do this to kids was my peak trans moment.

 

[Pimpleking55]

When i look at the results of all those hackjobs and slaughters it reminds me of this shit, when back in time "doctors" would crack your skull to give the brains air and let out any evil spirits playing hoopaloo with your gray matter. Trust the science bro`s......

 

[Poonocchio]

I also took Lupron for a few months, but thankfully I didn’t have any major complications. I was still very angry when I realized that when my doctor told me it was completely safe and reversible, it was a lie and she was probably getting paid by the company to push it on me.

Awful, sorry to hear it. The gynaecologist did explain to me the risks of it but at the time it seemed that the benefits would outweigh the potential risks and I suppose that's all we can go off in medical situations that are called for. I'm glad you didn't have any complications.

@Pimpleking55 SRS will go down in history as our generation's lobotomies.

 

[Geranium]

@Pimpleking55 SRS will go down in history as our generation's lobotomies.

In light of the recent paper claiming a 0% regret rate for double mastectomies for trans-identified women, I thought this bit at the bottom of an article on lobotomy was quite relevant:

[Henry] Marsh, who is now one of Britain's most eminent neurosurgeons, says the operation was simply bad science. "It reflected very bad medicine, bad science, because it was clear the patients who were subjected to this procedure were never followed up properly.

"If you saw the patient after the operation they'd seem alright, they'd walk and talk and say thank you doctor," he observes. "The fact they were totally ruined as social human beings probably didn't count."

The strange and curious history of lobotomy - BBC News (archive)

 

[sheepworldvizor]

Trans medicine makes lifelong medical patients?! I wonder who could possibly benefit from *cough big pharma cough* that.
But there’s no way an industry built on cocaine and opium would ever do anything so unethical.

 

[Procrastinhater]

Lamprey dick has a challenger:

Those metroid dicks have to be the most disgusting fucking things medical science has created.
They're worse than the usual rotdogs, they're just vile, and I don't have a clit but the idea of a surgeon taking a scalpel to one makes my fucking balls hurt.
They're just fucking gross, and worse than that they're pathetic.
I'll never understand these weird Hyena Bitches that insist those freakish things are their "dicks"
Makes me want to puke.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

I don't have a clit

Not yet. Come to my clinic in my backyard. For only $ 5.000 I will turn that pesky dick into a beautiful vagina.
You don't even need a letter from a therapist and I'm so skilled, not even gynos can tell the difference.

I will give you the same result as the expensive butchers surgeons. There is no difference.

 

[expectant asshole]

Really makes me wonder how much research they do outside of “will hrt turn me into an anime girl”.
I do wonder whether normal people can abuse this “gender affirming care”? There’s so many who would benefit from breast reductions and nose jobs and shit.

A friend and I joked about this. She had one breast removed because of cancer. She wanted the other removed as well since the type of cancer she had is highly likely to reoccur. Initially her insurance didn’t want to cover it, so we joked that if she said she was trans she could get it removed no questions asked. Fortunately her surgeon put pressure on the insurance company and got it covered.

 

[Crex Crex]

It is actually scary that what is documented in this thread is advertised as "cosmetic procedures", and that both trannies and the cathedral behind them repeat this lie with unshakable confidence. Considering how these repugnant procedures drastically affect the functioning of important bodily systems, they are by definition not cosmetic. The only thing creepier than GRS is the massive amount of disinformation and sugarcoating around it.

 

[Geranium]

Here’s a new paper on the frequency "gender-affirming surgery" in the US, which Ben Ryan did a thread about yesterday.

@benryanwriter, tweet 1694363996613161247 (archive)

Benjamin Ryan (@benryanwriter) · Aug 23, 2023 · 3:00 PM UTC
A new study finds the annual number of gender-transition surgeries nearly tripled from 2016 to 2019. Curiously, in breaking down the data by age group, the authors made the youngest group 12-18 years old, not 12-17. So trends in minors are unclear. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/ja...ferral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_term=082323

Benjamin Ryan (@benryanwriter) · Aug 23, 2023 · 3:00 PM UTC
The authors scoured multiple surgical databases. The findings remain limited by the possibility of under-capture of surgery data. They identified that from 2016-2020, 48,019 people received gender-transition surgeries, of whom 52% were 19-30 years old, 7.7% were 12-18. 2/

Benjamin Ryan (@benryanwriter) · Aug 23, 2023 · 3:00 PM UTC
The most common gender-affirming surgeries (GAS) were breast and chest surgeries (57%), followed by genital surgeries (35%). Breast/chest surgery was more common in younger people and genital surgery more common in older ones. 3/ https://jamanetwork.com/journals/ja...ferral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_term=082323

Benjamin Ryan (@benryanwriter) · Aug 23, 2023 · 3:00 PM UTC
Among 12-18 year olds, there were 3,678 gender-transition surgeries between 2016-2020. This included 3,215 breast/chest surgeries (87%), 405 genital surgeries (11%) and 350 other cosmetic procedures (10%). 4/ https://jamanetwork.com/journals/ja...ferral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_term=082323

Benjamin Ryan (@benryanwriter) · Aug 23, 2023 · 3:00 PM UTC
The authors estimated the annual number of gender-transition surgeries. They soared in people age 40 and under from 2016-2019, with a slight drop-off after Covid hit in 2020. By 2019, breast/chest surgery increased to an estimated 1,000 in 12-18 y/o and 4,500 in 19-30 y/o. 5/

Benjamin Ryan (@benryanwriter) · Aug 23, 2023 · 3:00 PM UTC
Here is the breakdown by age group of the actual number of surgical procedures. (As opposed to the estimated national total that takes into account missing data, as seen in the previous tweet.) 6/ https://jamanetwork.com/journals/ja...ferral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_term=082323

Benjamin Ryan (@benryanwriter) · Aug 23, 2023 · 3:00 PM UTC
Of 48,019 surgeries from 2016-2020:
57%: breast/chest, including:
44% breast creation
31%: trans male top surgery

35%: genital surgery, incl:
7.1%: testicle removal
7.0%: vagina creation
9.3%: uterus removal
2.6%: creation of penis
1.4%: ovary removal
1.4%: penis removal
7/

Benjamin Ryan (@benryanwriter) · Aug 23, 2023 · 3:00 PM UTC
The annual number of gender-transition surgeries soared from 2016-2019 and then tapered slightly in 2020, the first year of Covid:
2016: 4,552 surgeries
2017: 7,397
2018: 10,242
2019: 13,011
2020: 12,818
8/

Benjamin Ryan (@benryanwriter) · Aug 23, 2023 · 3:00 PM UTC
https://nitter.net/Esqueer_ and https://nitter.net/ErinInTheMorn have stressed that gender surgeries are rare in minors, are limited to "top" surgeries, and that no minors receive genital surgeries. This study grouped 18 year olds with 12-17 year olds; so it doesn’t provide any clear insight into these matters.
9/

Benjamin Ryan (@benryanwriter) · Aug 23, 2023 · 3:00 PM UTC
It’s possible the study authors have their data broken down somewhere so one can determine the number and types or surgeries among minors. Such supplemental data was not made available under the press embargo. I’ll look for it. But surgeries in teens were clearly uncommon. 10/

Benjamin Ryan (@benryanwriter) · Aug 23, 2023 · 3:00 PM UTC
According to the Movement Advancement Project, 22 states have banned gender-transition surgeries in minors. Many of the bans are not in place; lawsuits against these bans are ongoing. 11/ https://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/healthcare_youth_medical_care_bans

Benjamin Ryan (@benryanwriter) · Aug 23, 2023 · 3:00 PM UTC
Here is the paper: 12/ https://jamanetwork.com/journals/ja...ferral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_term=082323

Benjamin Ryan (@benryanwriter) · Aug 23, 2023 · 3:17 PM UTC
Note that 21 states ban medications and surgeries for gender-transition treatment in minors. Arizona is the one state that just bans surgeries. https://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/healthcare/youth_medical_care_bans

Benjamin Ryan (@benryanwriter) · Aug 23, 2023 · 4:24 PM UTC
I contacted the study author to ask if they had data that showed trends among 12 to 17 year olds as opposed to 12 to 18 year olds. He said, "We did not perform additional analyses in the age subgroups, only by the categories described in the paper."

Benjamin Ryan (@benryanwriter) · Aug 23, 2023 · 6:03 PM UTC
I asked the study author if he could share his disaggregated data to clarify the gender-transition surgery rates for 12-17 y/os. He effectively said no: "All of the analysis we did was based on the age groups that we specified, we haven’t done analyses with other age groups," he said.

Wright JD, Chen L, Suzuki Y, Matsuo K, Hershman DL. National Estimates of Gender-Affirming Surgery in the US. JAMA Netw Open. 2023;6(8):e2330348. doi:10.1001/jamanetworkopen.2023.30348
National Estimates of Gender-Affirming Surgery in the US | Obstetrics and Gynecology | JAMA Network Open (archive)

While the data did include children, the researchers combined under-18s with those aged 18, and have refused to share the stats for children receiving "gender-affirming surgery (GAS)".


@benryanwriter, tweet 1694709824439664767 (archive)

Benjamin Ryan (@benryanwriter) · Aug 24, 2023 · 1:54 PM UTC
I asked the lead author of this new paper in https://nitter.net/JAMANetworkOpen if he could share the disaggregated data on gender-transition surgeries to clarify how many have been among minors. He deflected my question and effectively said he would not share such data.

Benjamin Ryan (@benryanwriter) · Aug 24, 2023 · 3:37 PM UTC
To read what the study author replied to my questions, scroll through the other tweet thread starting here:

The paper includes data from 2016 to 2020, and the data is weighted to try to provide an estimate of the overall numbers. So bear in mind that these aren’t definitive figures, just hopefully in the right ranges.

They note that, overall, "GAS increased significantly, nearly tripling from 2016 to 2019". There’s a natural dip due to the pandemic in the 2020 numbers.

The authors define "gender-affirming surgery" very broadly, including for example liposuction and nose-jobs, and report facelifts (rhytidectomy) separately from "facial feminizing or chin augmentation". So below I’ll split out the categories we’re most interested in.

Weirdly, the authors have a category of "breast reconstruction" – at first I wasn’t sure what they meant by this, but it is mastectomy (breast removal). The "eTable" supplement contains ICD-10 and CPT codes, and their "breast reconstruction" contains has 0HTV0ZZ (ICD-10, "Resection of Bilateral Breast, Open Approach"), 19303 (CPT, "Mastectomy, simple, complete") and 19304 (CPT, "Mastectomy, subcutaneous").

Frustratingly, the authors only report category totals by age, so mastectomies get lumped in with breast implants for trans-identified males. "Breast or chest surgery" is most common among the 19-30 age group, then 31-40, then 12-18. The authors say that roughly 3,215 young people aged 12-18 had breast surgery over the study period, with (estimating from the chart) about 1,000 in the peak year of 2019.

Meanwhile, 405 young people aged 12–18 had genital surgery.

Over the study period, trans-identified men underwent 3,381 vaginoplasties and slightly more (3,425) orchiectomies (testicle removal). Presumably these don’t overlap, and a vaginoplasty will "include" an orchiectomy without boosting the separate orchiectomy stats?

For women, there were 4,489 hysterectomies (uterus removal), but only 272 separate vaginectomies. Phalloplasty (rotdogs) and metoidioplasty (untethered clits) are reported together, with a total of 1,226.

There were 2,233 reported urethroplasties, which seems quite high to me, but I guess that’s roughly 2 for each of the phallo/meto victims?

Anyway, PDF of the paper is attached, and here are the authors’ extremely underwhelming figures: