The Ghostbusters Thread (Old, New, Animated, Whatever)

Seeing how a bit of a discussion emerged in the "Ghostbusters Salt" Thread, I thought it would be more appropriate to put my answer here (sorry if this is a bit "a prospos nothing" to everyone else in this thread, though :heart-empty:):

Sorry to be harsh, man; but that is the way the world works.
Not complaining about your "harsh tone", I am merely refering to your less then stellar argumentation.
"Ghostbusters was a dead franchise"
-"Here are some examples that it was active"
"They don't count, for no specific given reason."
The statement about Adam Sandler not being popular anymore and insinuating that has any bearance on a possible GB reboot... Sandler made the same 'lowest-common-denominator' crap for 2 decades. Maybe that's the reason why his movies are such trainwrecks? Just for shit's 'n giggles, the first thing that came to my mind when watching the GB trailer was that it just lacked Sandler in drag to be a Happy Madison production.
The entire last paragraph is a just a broad generalization that vilifies people with legitimate critiscm or a general dislike for a subpar comedy as basement dwelling neckbeard fanboys. That paragraph couldn't poke a reasonable argument with a 10ft pole. Period.
And on a sidenote: the "Admit it" and "Let's face it" remind me of Brianna Wu's patented bullshit tweets starting with"Real talk:" :story:

That out of the way, I'll address your later post:
they simply come up with "we can't please them so lets just open the series up to as many new people as possible and not worry about stepping on the toes of the more stubborn ones(i.e. neckbeard fanboys)."
And by "opening up the series to as many new people as possible" you mean "try to silence all negative feedback by antagonizing half the population"?
I'll admit, I never heard about the "Piss off 50% of the intended demographic" marketing strategy.

If anything, Sony's marketing and the resulting decline in viewership would indicate that they horribly failed at "opening up the series to as many people as possible", seeing how this movie seems to lack appeal to the broad mainstream audience.
9 figures is a lot of money to spend. It better be a huge hit or it will sink the company. A small niche rabid fandom is not enough to support 9 figures.
As above, I'd say Sony blew it.
Currently, the movie is neither a big hit nor a bomb. However it's far from being successfull, too. It still has to make back it's budget of roughly 400-500 Million dollars and has recently scratched past 180 Million Dollars internationally (so at least it covered the production cost). Just for reference, domestically it made 46 Million Dollars on it's opening weekend. The second weekend, it barely made 21 Million Dollars. The following week, it made 10.1 Million Dollars. Last weekend it made 4.7 Million Dollars. It's similar with the weekly results. That's a steady decline of >50% per week.
35,8% of cinemas already pulled it from their screens in the US.

Concerning Sony's approach on this new movie and their success, these numbers speak for themselves.
And need I remind you: FireForge Games went bankrupt 72 hours after they released their critcally panned game.
If you don't own it, you really don't have much of a say in how they develop it. True in land and in intellectual property.
Au contraire, mon ami.
I might not own the GB franchise, but I do own money - which is what Sony wants from me.
I can decide not to spend any money on anything related to this movie (which is pretty much what I did). And going by the above numbers, I am in good company.
So, as far as I'm concerned, Sony can freely do whatever they like with their franchises. They want me to spend money to watch their stuff - not the other way around.
 
Au contraire, mon ami.
I might not own the GB franchise, but I do own money - which is what Sony wants from me.
I can decide not to spend any money on anything related to this movie (which is pretty much what I did). And going by the above numbers, I am in good company.
So, as far as I'm concerned, Sony can freely do whatever they like with their franchises. They want me to spend money to watch their stuff - not the other way around.
pfff, call me crazy
but it's almost as if businesses are built on a system in which goods and services are traded
and by providing a well made good such as a good movie, more people are willing spend legal tender to watch it
 
pfff, call me crazy
but it's almost as if businesses are built on a system in which goods and services are traded
and by providing a well made good such as a good movie, more people are willing spend legal tender to watch it
Yeah, it's weird, right?
It's almost as if these companies have to compete with each other to get my attention and money.
 
I guess I should be pleased but I'm not. That franchise had a ton of untapped potential and the studio spoiled it with a poor attitude and lax creative direction. You can't just gender swap the leads and leave nearly everything the same down to the basic plot structure. It was always gonna come across as lazy. In the end the film was just kinda mediocre. It had a few good moments but the script sucked and the actors (most of whitch are quite talented) couldn't carry it. Plus, the antagonistic 'take that trolls!' marketing campaign ultimately targeted the built-in audience. That was a colossal mistake that caused the film to under-perform more than it should. Whoever made the decision to go in that direction should be fired.


Overall the studio lost a ton of cash. A good franchise is on life support again. Some decent actors won't get roles they could have obtained. Paul Feig gets to walk away in one piece (unfortunately since allot of the problems stem from his lack creative direction). However we did find tasty salt to mine from all parties involved in this farce, so it wasn't a complete loss lol.
Maybe not entirely in one piece.

 
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Derivative websites agree with Hollywood Reporter on the notion that Fembusters is fucked and no sequel is likely.

Sony sure dropped the ball by going against their own fanbase the way they did, and now they can put a mortgage on the Scrooge McDuck-ian vault they prepped for the box office. Guess now they'll have to double down and try to ship an expanded universe with Bad Boys 3.

A little shy of total humiliation like I'd hoped, but hey, still a good outcome so far.
 
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So much butthurt.

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http://www.themarysue.com/has-sony-given-up-on-a-ghostbusters-sequel-or-has-entertainment-media/
 
I think the new film was Meh. Average. Not offensive, not groundbreaking. This is, however, the absolute worst thing it could have been. If the movie was complete trash, it would have shut a lot of people up. If it was amazing, it would have shut a lot of people up. Instead, it's a totally average, uninteresting film that people can and will continue to say anything about.

Bummer.
 

And what exactly would you call a movie that causes a $70 million-plus loss to the movie studio, whose merchandise was on clearance Day One, and whose script made four of what I understand are TV's funniest women (I wouldn't know, I don't watch TV, but that's what I understand), into a fat stereotype, a sassy black woman stereotype, a mousey nymphomaniac stereotype, and a fucking muppet?
 
I think the new film was Meh. Average. Not offensive, not groundbreaking. This is, however, the absolute worst thing it could have been. If the movie was complete trash, it would have shut a lot of people up. If it was amazing, it would have shut a lot of people up. Instead, it's a totally average, uninteresting film that people can and will continue to say anything about.

Bummer.
That's the thing, though. The movie might be average, but the behaviour of everyone involved is purely and simply disgusting.

I don't know what Shyamalan did after Avatar or After Earth, but I doubt he attacked the viewers and tried to shift the blame.
JJ Abrams didn't try to shift the blame when peope pointed out how shitty Batman v Superman was.

And that's the offenive thing that kills the movie, this shitty attitude towards people that they should treat respectfully (ie: their fucking future customers).
And what exactly would you call a movie that causes a $70 million-plus loss to the movie studio, whose merchandise was on clearance Day One, and whose script made four of what I understand are TV's funniest women (I wouldn't know, I don't watch TV, but that's what I understand), into a fat stereotype, a sassy black woman stereotype, a mousey nymphomaniac stereotype, and a fucking muppet?
Apparently it's a huuuuge success, cause it made money at all. Everything else is not important.
All the other shortcomings, such as the indignified behaviour of everyone involved or the terrible viewership numbers and the net loss of money for Sony are not a reason to call this a failure. Oh no.
Why?

Cause Sony pandered to feminism and when that's the case we have to lower our expectations, apparenlty.
We can't expect a dignified reaction to negative comments.
We can't expect this movie to be good.
We can't expect this movie to be commercially successful.

Obviously, that's what Feminism is all about: Lowering expectations until the threshold for "success" is basically meaningless, cause women (according to feminists) can't be expected to be en par (ie: equal) to men.
The funny thing is, that if this movie had 2 male and 2 female protagonists, it would have still been an average, rather hamfisted comedy, but by making it a pro-femninist statement, the above mentioned "lower your expectations" bullshit is what we ended up with.

These modern feminist clowns are more devastating to the female standing in society than a couple of moustache twirling chauvinists ever could be.

Edit: The idea that Feminists treat this movie like it was just a vanity project for Sony to cuddle up to modern SJWs is hilarious. I guess Sony has a different view on this mess.
 
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JJ Abrams didn't try to shift the blame when peope pointed out how shitty Batman v Superman was.

No, I can't imagine he would seeing as he had nothing to do with that Zack Snyder movie. :tomgirl:


Also, I love how the retard who wrote that article says that she hopes that Ghostbusters 2016 will get a sequel (despite losing tens of millions of dollars) just for not being sexist. That....I can't even....no. That isn't how business works, sugar tits.
 
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