I'm tired of "This Media Will Make You Do Bad Things!" takes

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skykiii

skykiii

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The below was originally from the "why don't blacks enjoy true crime" topic:
ZipDisk said:
As to people who are consuming crime like hot sauce, reconsider everything about what you are doing.

I had an aunt who was obsessed with Paranormal State and Investigation Discovery. She's dead now.

She thought a shadowy figure was fucking with her and her house. She should have gone to the fucking doctor.
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Just to be clear.... I'm only quoting this as a springboard and an example of a general trend. I'm not trying to put this guy down or insult his dead aunt or anything. Sorry for your loss, man.

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The thing that gets me though is, lately I've been seeing this kind of take an awful lot on Kiwi Farms.

Don't watch paranormal shows because it'll make you avoid doctors.

Don't read Scott Pilgrim because it'll make you troon out.

Don't play Sonic the Hedgehog because it'll turn you into an autistic furry.

Don't watch anime because it'll make you a NEET.

Don't pet cats because it'll make you a Youtube addict.

Don't eat candy because just one M&M will make you fat and diabetic.

Don't breath oxygen because it'll give you AIDs.

Don't get out of bed in the morning because it'll make you liberal.

Don't be born because you'll die.

etc.

I've personally always had a belief that "if I know statement X is bullshit, then its logical to assume any new statement that sounds awfully like statement X is also bullshit."

Like compare the above statements to these classics:

"Playing Dungeons & Dragons will make you worship Satan."

"Playing Doom will make you shoot up schools."

"Playing video games at all will make you hate women."

Yeah, guess what.... it was bullshit when they said it, so its bullshit when anyone else says it too. A lie does not suddenly become fact just because its your side saying it now.

Don't get me wrong: I'm sure there absolutely are people, somewhere, who let fictional media or nerdy collectables ruin their lives.

But I think there's a tendency to place the cart before the horse.

Media can't turn you into something you're not. It's not like Chris-chan was a totally normal person and was totally on the path towards curing cancer before the dark day he first encountered Sonic the Hedgehog. Chances are, if dude hadn't latched onto Sonic, he would've just latched onto something else. He still would've become a legend of autism.

And if I'm honest....

I've lately gotten the feeling that a lot of Kiwis associate fun media with lolcowdom. I mean, I get it: you see people like Chris, Moviebob, Linkara, and see they're all Pokemon fans, and its easy to worry that "if I like Pokemon, I'm no different from them. I'll be a lolcow too."

But look at that from the other side of the telescope: Pokemon is a big franchise, with billions of fans worldwide. The sample size is so large that of course you can find a small handful that turned out to be more queer than a clockwork orange.

And going back to the thing I quoted at the top... again, not to be insensitive, but I've known plenty of people who enjoy media about the paranormal, and yet have maintained a grasp of reality.

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So please, have fun. Watch your cartoons. Listen to your alien abduction podcasts. Buy my new book on Audible.

Just... ya know... make sure you've paid the bills first.

P.S. Just to be clear, I am not defending porn. The statement that "porn causes brainrot" is absolutely correct.
 
skykiii said:
Don't pet cats because it'll make you a Youtube addict.
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This is fucking nuts and the logic of a madman.
skykiii said:
Don't be born because you'll die.
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I believe in this wholeheartedly.

Anyways don't do anything and do everything while becoming all that you hate while loving the self so you can get less butthurt by silly named pictures insulting you online. Or something. The internet and its digital etchings aren't that real anyways so just do whatever.
 
My hope for you is we never develop time travel technology; They've been warning again media doing things to the kids since comics? Music? Cave paintings, probably. Don't hunt those animals, it will turn you into an evil meat eater.
 
This topic is the one place where there's a lot of agreement between KF users and faggy zoomers on twitter.

Generally I agree with you and it's weird to see people repurposing the arguments used against games like GTA San Andreas in the mid 00's, just with a different coat of paint.
The issue isn't the show or the game or anime or whatever, it is and always has been the person consuming it.
I think the vast majority of people are capable of separating fiction from reality and are not impacted by the media they consume in any significant way. The outliers seem to be people with underlying mental illnesses (like the guy's aunt in your reply) and the autistic.

It's a trend that really bothers me as well because all it does is lend credence to the idea that we should actually sanitize all media and frames consuming media that someone finds distasteful as you displaying some kind of malicious intent.
 
All I know is that when I was a teen, there was literally only one other kid in my huge high school that also liked "anime" and so there wasn't any weird culture or stigma around it for me. Just hints of it because that other kid told me a little bit about the adults that were into it and they sounded creepy.

The internet became more mainstream and as a very young adult I found myself in weird corners like Otaku World and some snark site that had a forum full of weaboos making fun of weaboos. I started to realize I was the odd one out and there was something generally wrong with the anime fan culture. After being let down by shitty anime recommendations and having some sad fat cosplayer hound me to meet up because I stupidly let her know we lived in the same state...Well, I realized I really just like some of the old classics and don't really care for anime outside of that. I was never going to be roped into the culture because I'm simply not that kind of person.

Anyway, I think this is similar to the nature vs. nurture argument. It's probably a little of both. In the case of media being responsible for people's actions, well, it's probably more that people of a certain nature seek out certain kinds of media, yet there is probably a bit of truth to becoming influenced by the media you consume once you've passed a certain threshold of involvement and investment. Or if you're incredibly suggestible.
 
Yes, just watching media won't magically warp someone's brain, although nowadays it often doesn't stay at that. Every single property or genre has become an all-enveloping experience; it has to be internalized into one's identity and become a community tentpole.

Also "fun" franchises like pokemon are associated with lolcowdom because they, like half the nonsense autists and redditors consider "fun", were designed to be children's franchises, for children, with children's sensibilities.
Therefore there's a predictably very significant correlation between an adult investing themselves in those types of properties and that adult being mentally stunted.

That type of media doesn't (initially) turn people retarded, it's just that you'd have to have something wrong with you to actually seek it out repeatedly.

That's only worsened by what I said at the top, where nowadays people get together to convince each other that, say, watching anime (I swear I was writing this before the person above me posted) is totally normal and mainstream and isn't at all an unhealthy thing to overexpose one's self to.
 
I'm willing to disclose a little more.

My aunt was an extremely successful legal secretary, but outside of her job she lived the life of a wastrel.

Listened to the same three songs on youtube on repeat, thought she had personal connections with artists, smoked like a chimney, treated her kid like shit while dropping money like water, but the worst treated were her pets.

She didn't even let the pets in the yard.

You can imagine what this did to her house.

My cousin let the house go into foreclosure rather than deal with the damage.

She managed to find one beer brand that sold 40 packs. Beer 30.

I would rather die than drink a beer 30.

I'm not saying there is some weird cultural ouroboros that will chew you up and spit you out. My aunt made her choices and burned her bridges.


The few times my uncle (her brother) and I were forced to stop over felt like field trips to hell.

I should have called animal control.
 
Lady Bizness said:
I realized I really just like some of the old classics and don't really care for anime outside of that.
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In all honesty, I never understood the type of anime fan who apparently likes all anime, like they even keep up with what's currently airing in Japan and everything.

Your type (which is how I am as well) of just liking a few specific shows seems more normal to me. It's just like any other hobby--you're gonna have preferences.
 
skykiii said:
Media can't turn you into something you're not.
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Media is used to reinforce belief, and create consensus. So no, a few rounds of GTA if you’re a suburban accountant isnt going to make you go stealing cars and rampaging.
Where media is influential is the following:
1. It gives people the ‘set of allowed opinions.’
2. Social media encourages people to never shut the fuck up but to vomit their every thought inline
3. Any conflict with allowed opinions is therefore picked up
4. Social media mobbing culture creates a feedback loop to reinforce desired behaviour. So you get reported for that tweet and lose your job. Or the medi shows you someone who tweeted an opinion you synpathise with and how their life was ruined after it, and now there’s a chilling effect.
It’s the sum of the media, the flavour of the type you swim in, and how it’s used as a reinforcement that is the issue.
 
12345 said:
My hope for you is we never develop time travel technology; They've been warning again media doing things to the kids since comics? Music? Cave paintings, probably. Don't hunt those animals, it will turn you into an evil meat eater.
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Yeah, that's one of the things that makes this moralizing so fucking boring including the mad faggots that do it here. You go back a few decades or even a lot of decades and check the media from then, you'll read the exact same boomer complaints launched at whatever stupid shit was popular at the time. Nothing has changed since the freaking 50's in that regard. Fuck people were crying about radio programs in the 40's and 30's being too violent and degenerate. It's fucking madness. Just shut the fuck up and get over the idea that people other than you will look at things you don't like. Also parents can parent their own children. It's not your job to parent other people's children, because that's fucking creepy. Just get real things to worry about.
 
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The 90's and the 2000's called and want their talking point back. lol

It's fucking stupid and Boomer tier. Video games don't make people violent. Video games are an outlet for people's violent and aggressive tendencies. Millions and millions of people of all ages play video games. If they were making people violent why don't we see more violent acts that aren't gang relates and happen outside of nigger areas? You don't. We should be seeing hordes of people running around hurting and killing people. But that doesn't happen. It's because the idea that video games cause violence is 100% BS.
 
Ultrapenguin said:
Yes, just watching media won't magically warp someone's brain, although nowadays it often doesn't stay at that. Every single property or genre has become an all-enveloping experience; it has to be internalized into one's identity and become a community tentpole.
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I think about this aspect of how fandoms have evolved a lot and feel it goes really underappreciated with how it rots people's brains.

I've never really liked most fandoms, I find it weird to hang so much of who you are as a person on a piece of media or a product. I'm not saying that there aren't shows or games or movies that have deeply impacted me on some level, but to just graft that onto yourself as a shortcut for personality is really pathetic.
The fact that you can go on a website like twitter and find tons of people who are (technically) adults who talk about being a part of the Spongebob fandom is way worse than the fact that they still watch Spongebob as an adult. It's just icing on the cake that a lot of these types of people are militant fandom cultists.
I mostly feel the same when it comes to other fandoms like furry or whatever else. At the end of the day I don't really care what you watch or play or do but why do so many of these people feel the need to incorporate this stuff into their personalities in such a major way.
 
"This Media Will Make You Do Bad Things!" is indeed a bad take. Joker was supposed to be this big scary movie inspiring to alt-right to riot and burn down their cities.


On the other hand "This Media Is Permission To Do Bad Things!" is very much a thing. Joker didn't inspire riots, but the Floyd video was basically permission to riot and burn.
 
skykiii said:
Don't get out of bed in the morning because it'll make you liberal.
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Really going to bat for woke shit and libs lately huh?

Anyway, the notion that people can be influenced by media isn't crazy, why do you think propaganda exists?
 
skykiii said:
Don't do x because it'll make you do y.
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They only have this opinion because they are the exact people who would behave like that. They're the ones who would let media easily influence their decisions rather than introspecting on it and comparing to their belief to see if it'll still hold up, whereas a normal person would either, change their view upon discovering the new info as it clashes with their belief, or they see it clash with their view but change their view to incorporate the flaw that said media has pointed out or just call it fake and gay then go on with their lives. An example would be Tarrent's Manifesto, with how media outlets said that if you're freely allowed to read it you'll automatically think that everything he did was justified and will repeat what he did. So we have to control the flow of information to ensure that everyone has the right thoughts and won't leave from the Happy Happy Fun-Land of Diversity and Tolerance Plantation
 
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