Gorl World + Haydur Nation reaction channel discussion - Come sperg about the Reactmosphere, right here

[StrawberryDouche]

I get not liking someone's content, so you stop watching. I don't get no longer watching because you've decided you're a shallow cunt and dislike their physical appearance.

But whatever.

 

[I call shenanigans]

I’m quoting from another thread but think the conversations about Ilona should be in this one.

Steroids will do that to you.

I'll be the first to admit that tone on a woman can be sexy. Big bulging muscles and man faces though? No thanks.

I find it quite sad actually to see what I believe is a serious decline in her, but I’m sure she would see the opposite. When I started watching Ilona 4 years ago, she was living what appeared to be a very healthy, happy, seemingly balanced life with her partner. Covid hit her hard, but she moved to Bulgaria, married Ivo, and her life started to fall apart when he was surrounded by his family and she didn’t get pregnant, and ended up divorcing. From there on out she shifted her focus to bodybuilding, and the real decline started. She can have all the muscles she wants, thanks to hard work in the gym and steroids, but she’s lost her femininity entirely, all to chase a goal she’s not come close to achieving. The expensive fake hair, fake boobs, Botox , lip fillers, fake tans, fake nails, tattoos etc, don’t make for a sexy female. However they are necessary for a female taking steroids to build muscles like a man, if she wants to retain some semblance of feminimity. In reality though, what you end up with is looking like, and these days also sounding like, a trans woman. Sure she’s fit AF, but I’ve also known really fit people to collapse from heart attacks in their 30s because of overtraining and steroid use.

I know she doesn’t care what randoms on the internet think, but I’d ask Ilona (who we know reads here), is it all worth it, just in an attempt to become a pro in what is probably the most corrupt, and full of drug cheats (yourself included) “sports” on the planet, How big a tantrum will you throw next competition if you lose again. Meanwhile you sit back and critique others for their poor decisions and lifestyle choices.

 

[StrawberryDouche]

know she doesn’t care what randoms on the internet think, but I’d ask Ilona (who we know reads here), is it all worth it, just in an attempt to become a pro in what is probably the most corrupt, and full of drug cheats (yourself included) “sports” on the planet, How big a tantrum will you throw next competition if you lose again. Meanwhile you sit back and critique others for their poor decisions and lifestyle choices.

I'm not an Ilona watcher, but I am a fan of her as a person. Can you cite an example of her ever having "a tantrum" because she didn't win a competition?

Critique her all you want, but impugning her character is not a critique.

 

[Dona Morte]

About the "defeminization"
For her this has always been the case of angles,

Where as other angles are not flattering.
I applaud Ilona for uploading those screenshots that are not the best, while highlighting the ones where she looks ABSOLUTELY stunning.
Let me also quote an example of Brock Lesnar's daughter.

I think it's a case of longer facial proportions.
Let's be honest though, we as women don't always feel like putting in the extra effort and just roll with it- that is where the message and actions are more important. Ilona is there to offer her knowledge base and her personality.
That's where Ilona's confidence really shines.

 

[I call shenanigans]

I'm not an Ilona watcher, but I am a fan of her as a person. Can you cite an example of her ever having "a tantrum" because she didn't win a competition?

Critique her all you want, but impugning her character is not a critique.

She’s whined like a baby after every show she’s done since moving to Bulgaria. Going on about how much better she was than whoever won, and how corrupt the judges are. It’s in the thread already. I really dislike her body building content so only watch that content after a competition to see how she went. I’m not going back looking for it because I don’t want to.

I think it's a case of longer facial proportions.

While she definitely has a longer face, lack of body fat is also very much at play. Her body fat percentage is well below what it should be for a healthy female, which also plays an important part in lowering her estrogen levels. Anabolic steroids aka “juicy vitamins”, which she openly admits to taking, can also affect facial structure.

Ilona is there to offer her knowledge base and her personality.

I acknowledge that Ilona has “calorie eyes”. When you count calories for long enough you get that way. Unfortunately she is also very hypocritical with her “do as I say not as I do” attitude. Her diet wouldn’t work for anyone outside of body building, and I admit that it doesn’t need to. I also believe she is back in eating disorder territory, albeit for her sport. While I generally agree with her protein first and whole foods approach to diet, that’s where I have to bow out with Ilona. Everything else with her as far as diet and exercise go is over the top compulsive, and honestly unsettling for me having watched a couple of athletes die in their early thirties in pursuit of their sports, leaving behind devastated partners and children.

Edit to not double post

Btw a couple of athletes may have died bc of their sport but thousands of fatties die every day bc of their lifestyle.

Fortunately I’ve never known any fatties that died in their 30’s, but I get your point.

Their marriage tanked, when she lived in a building site for 6 months with constant noise and dirt, which made it hard for her to work.

That too, but failing to get pregnant was something she spoke about at the time. IIRC she also laid the blame squarely at Ivo’s feet, which attracted quite the flack it deserved at the time here on the farms.

 

[Kitty kitty cat]

married Ivo, and her life started to fall apart when he was surrounded by his family and she didn’t get pregnant

Their marriage tanked, when she lived in a building site for 6 months with constant noise and dirt, which made it hard for her to work.

From there on out she shifted her focus to bodybuilding

Shes always done bodybuilding though. Shes def more ripped now but shes also in competition mode. Is it to my taste? no but I admire the diciplin and grit it takes to get there.
Btw a couple of athletes may have died bc of their sport but thousands of fatties die every day bc of their lifestyle.

 

[Who Now]

With a few exceptions, if we based watching haydurs on their looks there wouldn't be any haydurs left to watch

I meant for this to be short and it leaves out so much, but:

Spoiler: 'Quick' Alanna backstory:

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Not still dead? huh

 

[Dog Prom 3D]

Quoting isn't working for me, I am replying to @I call shenanigans.

I guess we all have different opinions on what constitutes whining. It happens. And it's valid to question if the opinion of a person with unhealthy habits should matter much when she is critiquing unhealthy people.

But fuck saying Ilona looks like a transwoman or saying she's defeminized herself and is trying to maintain a "semblance" of femininity with artificial augmentations. Ilona is a non-comforming woman in that she prefers a very muscular body and low body fat and is engaging in a pastime some consider masculine. Had she been a teenager now surely some asshole in her high school would see her lifting weights, decide she really is a man inside and convince her to move her reproductive organs.

Ilona is feminine because she is female. Her appearance and choices are feminine because she is female. She could dress like a longshoreman, shave her head, and inject testosterone daily until her voice is as low as Barry White's and she would still be feminine because she is female. Femaleness dictates femininity, not the other way around, and comparing her to cultural aberrations like Dylan Mulvaney or any of the other people who think wearing a dress makes a man a woman is both a cheap and dumb shot because it implies that if a woman deviates from a very specific way of looking and behaving they will be punished culturally and told she looks like a failed man.

 

[Artificial Baits]

Their marriage tanked, when she lived in a building site for 6 months with constant noise and dirt, which made it hard for her to work.

She also mentioned a few times in passing issues around him not being accepting of the dogs and he wanted her to give one up for adoption

 

[Ben Lurkin']

...but she’s lost her femininity entirely.

The exact degree of Ilona's presentation of what, in someone's personal opinion, is "feminine" is important enough to crosspost threads about?



kk, we get it: the bodybuilder "æsthetic" isn't your cuppa.
Jeebus, y so

? ...calm down.

 

[deputydogshit2.0]

Show us on the doll where Ilona hurt you.

 

[I call shenanigans]

Had she been a teenager now surely some asshole in her high school would see her lifting weights, decide she really is a man inside and convince her to move her reproductive organs.

That’s a huge stretch you’re making, the length of which generally indicates a lack of reason or argument.

I understand Ilona is a favourite here, and she was with me until after her separation when she threw Ivo under a train with a few carriages. I saw a new side of her after that, and as she has consciously decided to take on a lifestyle, that even she admits is unhealthy, while she criticises others for unhealthy behaviour, to get her hands on as much money as she can, is hypocritical at best. She was always a clout chaser, and never hid that she wanted the money and recognition. She went hard for Alan Roberts (after Alan gave Charlie Gold her silver play button), then tried hard to get Greg Doucette to call her out. That didn’t work for her though. Even this whole pursuit of a pro card, she has said is about the sponsorship opportunities, so in effect she’s ruining her health for money, the same way those she criticises are.

Ilona is feminine because she is female. Her appearance and choices are feminine because she is female.

WTF are you talking about. I think you’re being a smart arse with that response. Clearly I’m refer to the adjective, that is “having the qualities or the appearance traditionally associated with women or girls” (how’s the Oxford Dictionary for you), rather than the noun that you are highlighting.

comparing her to cultural aberrations like Dylan Mulvaney or any of the other people who think wearing a dress makes a man a woman is both a cheap and dumb shot

I didn’t do anything of the sort, but as you’ve brought that up, I do find Dylan more feminine (adj) than Ilona, and interestingly Dylan has less fake bits to get a pass than Ilona does.

is important enough to crosspost threads about?

I changed to this thread because it’s more appropriate. Ilona is a reactor not a fat cow HAES advocate.

Show us on the doll where Ilona hurt you.

Another stupid remark. If I’d criticised a fat positive cow, no one would be jumping up and making comments like that. It’s only because it’s Queen Ilona, unhealthy (by her own admission), hypocrite that she is, sook when she loses competitions, and clout chaser. Sure she has a great worth ethic, an amazing drive to achieve her goals, but a spokesperson of healthy choices she is absolutely not. It’s one thing to talk the talk, and a whole other thing to walk the walk. When she starts to model a healthy lifestyle again, like she did pre her marriage breakup, then I will re-evaluate my thoughts.

That’s it for me on this subject. You’re free to disagree, in fact I expect it. I just won’t be responding again, because I believe my reasoning is valid and clearly explained.

 

[StrawberryDouche]

I understand Ilona is a favourite here, and she was with me until after her separation when she threw Ivo under a train with a few carriages.

She did no such thing. She didn't talk much at all about the breakdown of her marriage which forced speculation in this thread.

You're so worked up about "clout chasers" but it was Ivo who tried to grab on to the coattails of HER clout after the marriage ended. HE made a YT channel to a symphony of swoons and poor sweet Ivo.

When she starts to model a healthy lifestyle again, like she did pre her marriage breakup, then I will re-evaluate my thoughts.

I'm sure she's distressed and distraught after losing your highly sought after evaluation of her, and will not consider herself whole again unless she regains it.

I didn’t do anything of the sort, but as you’ve brought that up, I do find Dylan more feminine (adj) than Ilona, and interestingly Dylan has less fake bits to get a pass than Ilona does.

You've made it quite clear that you have disdain for troons and use it as a way to insult a woman who has disappointed you.

Your fetish for femininity and demands that women possess it to your satisfaction is so pathological, you'd rather confer it upon a man trying to steal everything we own and are, than confer it on an adult human female who has displeased you.

Fuck you.

 

[Narwhal]

I presume it's clear to everybody that I am an Ilona watcher and I enjoy her content. I admire her dedication to bodybuilding, her honesty and her strength, both mental and physical.

Do I personally like her physique? Nah, but who gives a shit. She stated multiple times that she's aware that it's unconventional but, because she's an adult, intelligent woman who likes to be shredded, she doesn't care what other people think. She doesn't expect people to adore her body, she's aware that people will stare at her because she's different but she doesn't give a fuck about it and carries on with her life.

Is competiting in bodybuilding healthy? Fuck no, she has said so time and time again and she has never, ever, ever claimed it to be.

Re: her divorce, I really don't understand some people's fixation with it. Yes, her marriage didn't work out. She never talked about it in detail so we don't know all the reasons why they decided to split. The weirdest thing to me about the whole thing was how she did a livestream to announce the divorce etc., but after that she didn't exploit it to make more cash.

All in all, I think she's a good reactor and a good addition to the dreadful haydur nation. She's knowledgeable when it comes to fitness, food and dieting and is funny. Plus, she's one of the very few peoplw who openly admits to reading the Farms and she understands its culture. Despite her frequent technical difficulties, she's one of my favourite reactor in gorl world.

To each their own, but to reduce her entirely to her physical appearance is frankly childish.

 

[Polska krowa]

She’s whined like a baby after every show she’s done since moving to Bulgaria. Going on about how much better she was than whoever won, and how corrupt the judges are. It’s in the thread already. I really dislike her body building content so only watch that content after a competition to see how she went. I’m not going back looking for it because I don’t want to.

I've never watched a single one of this woman's videos, and have no desire to, either. But, every single bodybuilding show on the planet IS rigged. Often the winner knows the judges, or has provided sexual favours to them.

There's an interview with Ronnie Coleman, multi-time winner of the Mr Olympia competition explaining how he was told after one of those wins that he was out of shape and too big to win, however they still gave him the win because of who he is.

 

[Malory]

Ilona is looking like someone you want to ignore. How does a female want to be so defemitalised think she’s okay. She looks like a Troon! Sorry Ilona but I’m done with you!

Ilona is ESL and has never broken out something like “defemitalised”. Woof.

 

[shameful existence]

If I’d criticised a fat positive cow, no one would be jumping up and making comments like that.

I like Ilona a lot. And her nonconformity is one of the reasons.

But it is true that certain type of insults - and not just insults, I'd say it goes for general criticisms as well - are perfectly OK for people a thread dislikes, while considered immoral if targeting a person a thread likes. I saw no one arguing that Chantal in fact remains perfectly feminine to combat all the meanies who suggest otherwise, as the increasing androgyny in deathfats is a commonly discussed issue, and DC's thread is full of people saying she doesn't even pass as a woman and should go compete in a most repulsive tranny contest.

I personally don't care much one way or another, I just don't understand how someone can be slapping winner stickers on these comments when directed one way, but going full TERF when there's a different target.

 

[StrawberryDouche]

DC's thread is full of people saying she doesn't even pass as a woman and should go compete in a most repulsive tranny contest.

Because no one's saying Dylan Mulvaney or any troon is more of a feminine woman than Clara Frenk. Literally no one.

 

[deputydogshit2.0]

I’m beating a dead horse, but I feel compelled to say my bit on Ilona.

Do I like her look? Hell motherfucking no. She has said many times that she knows a lot of people don’t care for that physique on a woman.

Do I think her lifestyle is healthy? Nope. She’s also said dozens of times it’s not healthy.

But her commenting on ALR & FB is not hypocrisy. Those two talk about how they want to be healthier yet they make zero effort to “walk the walk”. Back when Candy (Hungry Fat Chick) was not interested in losing weight and was frank about it, Ilona rarely reacted to her. Now that she (HFC) is actively trying to improve her health Ilona is encouraging and seems genuinely happy for her. I think if ALR or FB actually started making real efforts Ilona would be encouraging and offer some useful advice.

I don’t subscribe to the “Ilona threw Ivo under the bus” theory. She said Ivo has a low sperm count. I don’t think I’d share that info about my husband, but whatever. As far as the divorce goes, Ilona said something unforgivable happened at one point when her mother was visiting. She didn’t say what the thing was and IIRC she said she WILL NOT be talking about “the thing.”

IMO Ilona is a straight shooter who can take it just as well as she dishes it out (unlike the majority of gorlworld characters). If you don’t like Ilona that’s cool, but I cannot understand your anger. Like WTF dude.

ETA @Malory i think English is actually Ilona’s THIRD language. Kind of makes your point even sharper!!

 

[Dog Prom 3D]

But it is true that certain type of insults - and not just insults, I'd say it goes for general criticisms as well - are perfectly OK for people a thread dislikes, while considered immoral if targeting a person a thread likes. I saw no one arguing that Chantal in fact remains perfectly feminine to combat all the meanies who suggest otherwise, as the increasing androgyny in deathfats is a commonly discussed issue, and DC's thread is full of people saying she doesn't even pass as a woman and should go compete in a most repulsive tranny contest.

I can't speak to what is happening with Chantal currently but you're right in this regard. Sometimes hypocrisy is easy to overlook when you despise your target. I've made the argument that Clara apes femininity like a failed man and if I find that argument ridiculous when Ilona is the target, I'm not being consistent. Point taken and absorbed for future comments.