r/antiwork - Yes, it's exactly what it sounds like.

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How will society function without jobs?


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Yes sir, literal 30 year boomer factory worker posting from his own home telling people how to get money but instead they're too busy being mad that I actually did something about my career instead of complaining about capitalism online.
Why did you work in a factory for 30 years instead of going back to school or doing anything to upgrade your skillset? A lot of those jobs offer to help pay for schooling and accommodate your schedule. I don't think the message you should be sending to zoomers is to just work harder and keep working shitty jobs they hate forever, you should be making them aware of ways out of a life they hate which can also be productive and gratifying. There's plenty of good jobs you can get with just an associates degree in fields that will also help pay for additional schooling so you can make even more money.
 
Why did you work in a factory for 30 years instead of going back to school or doing anything to upgrade your skillset? A lot of those jobs offer to help pay for schooling and accommodate your schedule. I don't think the message you should be sending to zoomers is to just work harder and keep working shitty jobs they hate forever, you should be making them aware of ways out of a life they hate which can also be productive and gratifying. There's plenty of good jobs you can get with just an associates degree in fields that will also help pay for additional schooling so you can make even more money.

I meant to say 30 year old boomer, I've been working in factories for a little under a decade. My job does provide for extracurricular learning, although I personally don't care for formal schooling, I like learning shit in practice. I also spend time on hobbies that build skills that can be applied to my job. I won't say you should stay happy with your pallet jack pushing job forever at all, and that's definitely not what I settled for.

I'm saying that a lot of people go in for the entry level jobs, drag ass and mumble about it for 3 months and then quit. Of course they're not gonna hold your hand, they're gonna see that you're unfit for promotion, because why would they let someone who can't do simple stuff run the machine that could cost them tens of thousands of dollars per hour if attention is not paid and wonder if you'd actually be paying attention to the education they'd help you get if you can't pay attention at work anyway.

Maybe if you work well and show your boss your worth for a good while and your employer gives you nothing in return besides your pay, maybe it's time to tell them to fuck themselves (nicely, burning bridges isn't good, bosses are people too, and they talk) and take your experience somewhere else that might appreciate it more.

Either that or get a loan for school and deal with debt for fucking ever, and even then your first job will be a stepping stone. Say you got an education in automation, they won't be slapping you in head position of the cheeto factory automation department so you can adjust the overtemp alarm setpoint on the ovens up because some dumb ass tech didn't want to find the welded shut SSR for the heater so that the alarm would go away and they could start the machine until the run away heating element burnt the building down. Just because someone has a piece of paper and knows how to change numbers doesn't make them smart, and everyone knows it.

Edit: I guess what I'm trying to say is regardless of what degree you have, work will be work. Always try to advance yourself, even if it's a shitty stepping stone job, you might be surprised where you can go from there if you apply yourself.
 
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These redditors may be functionally retarded.
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My work is a leftists paradise. But everyone is republican
I work at a gas station. I've worked there for about 2.5 years. The original founder/CEO had an idea that if you treat people well. You keep good people. Thus even 70 years later and 20 years after getting a different CEO without that philosophy (Newer policy is absolutely Fiscal Profit first) we still have decent worker policies.
I get paid fairly well above a living wage ($6.50 more than livable wage according to living wage calculator for one adult with no children) and that's as a bottom tier employee with no responsibility other than just showing up to work.
It has an incredible 401k program (i got about 20% of my wage last year into my 401k) and the company is completely employee owned.
As the bottom tier employee I can create my own schedule and ask off any day in advance as long as I get it in Tuesday the week before and have some access to PTO (it is very lacking compared to an ideal version of PTO) Additionally i have 10 days to call off without any disciplinary action as long as I call within 2 hours *after* my shift starting without any strings attach, and 5 more as long as there is another employee who can cover (you don't have to find your own coverage we have people as extra who go to stores where people show up to cover the people who call off/have vacation)
The company realized that hey, they spend a lot of money on healthcare for employees and just socialized healthcare within its own company and hired their own doctors and made their own doctor offices that's extremely cheap and any profits they make we receive back to our payments biannually.
But the company would rather close than allow a workers union to happen. Everyone CEO and down is republican, 70%+ of my coworkers I meet in these locations are republican and would literally riot if we socialized healthcare and if workers demanded these rights at their jobs. Just a funny juxposition. They made over a billion dollars last year in profit AFTER taxes they are not a company to believe that they overall have good intentions.
 
It's hilarious that rightists do a better job at supporting workers' rights than leftists do.
Honestly, I think a big part of what OP is missing is the fact that it is an aligned, homogenous group. Anyone receiving those "socialist" benefits is someone who carries their weight and is a proven member of the organization. That's very different than "Work optional! Everyone benefits!"
 
Honestly, I think a big part of what OP is missing is the fact that it is an aligned, homogenous group. Anyone receiving those "socialist" benefits is someone who carries their weight and is a proven member of the organization. That's very different than "Work optional! Everyone benefits!"
1) Eliminate Work
2) ???
3) The world is a Socialist Utopia.

Thanks Papa Lenin, thanks Daddy Marx.
 
Honestly, I think a big part of what OP is missing is the fact that it is an aligned, homogenous group. Anyone receiving those "socialist" benefits is someone who carries their weight and is a proven member of the organization. That's very different than "Work optional! Everyone benefits!"

It's also the reason why so many worker co-ops fail, it's because such people do not have what it takes to keep it going.

Socialists can already obtain what they want under a free-market system. Sharing the means of production and whatnot, in a worker co-op. The fact that they want to force it on the rest of society, rather than fuck off and do it themselves and leave the rest of us alone, only goes to show how little confidence they have in their own ideology.

Abolishing "capitalism" (whatever the hell that means) isn't necessary, yet they still insist on doing it.
 
The fact that they want to force it on the rest of society, rather than fuck off and do it themselves and leave the rest of us alone, only goes to show how little confidence they have in their own ideology
It struck me the other day that racially motivated groups never do this, either. I’d be down for a bunch of black separatists to set up their black kibbutz in rural Georgia. Ditto white nationalists if they kept to themselves. But these ideologies attract defective people at the best of times so it won’t happen.
 
Sometimes I don't know if those are trolls shitting up the place or if they are this stupid on purpose.
That's very different than "Work optional! Everyone benefits!"
They don't want to work and believe such a system would somehow provide for every luxury they can imagine.

These are the same people who also know the planet its falling apart due to the effects of over 7 billion humans just existing, yet believe their system is fine.
only goes to show how little confidence they have in their own ideology.
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Even by 1921 it was obvious that marx had failed and that his manifesto was just a bunch of nonsense thought by a guy who was neither an economist nor a politician which is why lenin had to implement the NEP which was closer to the kind of capitalism you could see in sweden than to actual socialism let alone communism.

And guess what? it worked, things got back on track, but then lenin died (like a bitch) and stalin took over then realized that the NEP system limited his dictatorial powers so he want back into communism thus causing even bigger famines than the ones before 1921.

To add even more irony to this story stalin eventually saw that if he paid the same salary to an engineer and the guy sweeping the floor of the factory then the engineer would rather drop out of college and just be a sweeper, so he implemented the famous system where anyone working in STEM was basically on a class of their own getting their own house in pristine (by soviet standards) new cities only for the scientific elite, plenty of food even during times of famine and sometimes even huge luxuries like owning a car. Point is there was no sharing for them, and thats how the joke/soviet union managed to pull the technical achievements it did despite failing on practically everything else.

As for what would happen to the kind of people who post at r/antiwork Solzhenitsyn used to mention how all the useless poets, writers, artists and sociologists would be sent to the gulag and there they would hold symposiums in the middle of the tundra during snowstorms as if they were still wasting resources in some institute. Their wives had to whore themselves to the peasants and criminals turned political comisars or starve, their kids would often die and be cannibalized.

Of course this would be very funny if it wasn't because the vast majority of people who dies under communism tends to be regular people who did nothing to deserve it, and not every useful idiot who caused communism gets to eat shit and die like that, many got away with it.
 
There wasn't overthinking or weird schedules or distance complicating the process. Our grandfather's generation worked at the local steel factory, all his friends and the men in his family worked there, everyone around you shared a similar schedule and work culture, everything was much more automatic.
The lack of any sort of community is the big problem. When I hear my boomer parents and relatives talk about the neighborhood repairman, bartender, meat market guy... everyone worked together and they all worked hand in hand... it's like a long forgotten fantasy world I can only dream of existing.

Today, especially if you're a man, you're probably working everyday barely communicating with anyone and working only because it pays the bills and it's what you're supposed to do.

And our fucked up society only grows further apart from each other.
 
It struck me the other day that racially motivated groups never do this, either. I’d be down for a bunch of black separatists to set up their black kibbutz in rural Georgia. Ditto white nationalists if they kept to themselves. But these ideologies attract defective people at the best of times so it won’t happen.
Orania in South Africa is apparently one of the nicest towns in the country and is defacto whites (especially Afrikaaners) only since its 98% white.

It's probably an exception since neo-Nazi towns like Elohim City are trailer park shitholes and same goes with "Hammer City" and this town some kangz built.
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There used to be back in the 19th century a lot of socialist utopian communes in the US, but most were religious and most lasted a generation at most.
And guess what? it worked, things got back on track, but then lenin died (like a bitch) and stalin took over then realized that the NEP system limited his dictatorial powers so he want back into communism thus causing even bigger famines than the ones before 1921.
It failed because the Soviets either had to lay down power and admit communism failed and could not industrialize Russia (since NEP was basically agrarian radical social democracy) or go full commie and start collectivizing land to feed the demand the cities and especially industry had. See the scissors crisis and other challenges the 1920s USSR had.
 
It's hilarious that rightists do a better job at supporting workers' rights than leftists do.
Not to powerlevel too much, but when I've been down and needed a hand, it was the avowed capitalists who handed me wads of cash and good advice, asking only for token labor in return. The self-professed communists just hid their lattes and pretended I hadn't said anything.
 
to be fair, jobs fucking suck and i don't blame anyone for wanting to drop out
Which jobs? Please qualify your statement.

You are insinuating that 2 generations of our youth are marching into the coal mines or off to war.

Sitting at a desk, in front of a computer, in a temp controlled building for (entry) in the $50k s, is not a bad life.
 
Which jobs? Please qualify your statement.

You are insinuating that 2 generations of our youth are marching into the coal mines or off to war.

Sitting at a desk, in front of a computer, in a temp controlled building for (entry) in the $50k s, is not a bad life.
i "sit at a desk, in front of a computer, in a temp controlled building" and i still hate it. would i rather work in a coal mine or go off to war? no, but i never said that.

also, i didn't feel the need to qualify my original statement ("jobs fucking suck") with a list of specific jobs that suck because i recognize that my job is "cushy" so i would probably hate working no matter what job you gave me.
 
i "sit at a desk, in front of a computer, in a temp controlled building" and i still hate it. would i rather work in a coal mine or go off to war? no, but i never said that.

also, i didn't feel the need to qualify my original statement ("jobs fucking suck") with a list of specific jobs that suck because i recognize that my job is "cushy" so i would probably hate working no matter what job you gave me.
You sound like a fucking cunt.
 
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