Liberty Safe Confirms They Gave Feds Access Code to Gun Safe During Raid on January 6 Protester - Liberty Safe have universal codes to their safes

https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2023/09/06/liberty-safe-caved-gave-fbi-access-code-january-6-n2163468

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Liberty Safe, "America's #1 heavy-duty home and gun safe manufacturer," according to their website, issued a statement late Tuesday night confirming that they'd given the FBI an access code to a customer's gun safe in response to a request on August 30, 2023. That request came during a raid on the home of a man who'd attended a protest on January 6.

The statement reads:

On August 30, 2023, Liberty Safe was contacted by the FBI requesting the access code to the safe of an individual for whom they had a warrant to search their property. Our company protocol is to provide access codes to law enforcement if a warrant grants them access to a property. After receiving the request, we received proof of the valid warrant, and only then did we provide them with an access code. Liberty Safe had no knowledge of any of the details surrounding the investigation at the time.
Liberty Safe is devoted to protecting the personal property and 2nd amendment rights of our customers and has repeatedly denied requests for access codes without a warrant in the past. We do not give out combinations without proper legal documentation being provided by authorities.
We regularly update our policies to ensure both compliance with federal and state law and reasonable consumer privacy protections within the law. First and foremost, Liberty Safe is committed to preserving our customers’ rights, and we will remain unwavering in those values.

The incident they're referring to is the arrest of Nathan Hughes in Arkansas on August 30, 2023, after an FBI raid related to Hughes' attendance at the January 6 protests. On Monday evening the Hodgetwins tweeted out Hughes' story, including that "the feds called the manufacturer of his Liberty Gun Safe and got the passcode to get into it too."

The full tweet shares more disturbing information, including that the FBI turned off his security cameras and held his girlfriend at gunpoint and put her in handcuffs.

Last week, a friend of ours was raided by the feds over J6, his name is Nathan Hughes and he’s from Fayetteville, Arkansas. Nate was raided by the FBI and arrested at gun point. His girlfriend (who just had a miscarriage) was held at gun point and put in handcuffs. The FBI turned off his security cameras, unplugged his internet, and flipped his house upside down in a search. The feds called the manufacturer of his Liberty Gun Safe and got the passcode to get into it too. All for protesting at the Capitol over 2 1/2 years ago.
He is being charged with crimes related to January 6th. He didn’t assault anyone and he didn’t vandalize anything. He is being labeled a domestic terrorist and a traitor to his country by woke leftists and the media.
Nate is just like us…he’s an outspoken American Patriot…he loves freedom, loves his country, and would do anything to preserve our rights. He’s been fighting to save our country for years now.
He’s also a small business owner with a family that relies on him.
We all know how heated this political climate is getting, but they’ve pushed too far and it’s time for people to speak up for people getting screwed by the system. BLM and Antifa can go burn down our cities and get off the hook, but Trump supporters get raided and rounded up for protesting.
Nate’s legal bills to fight these charges will be over $100,000, so we’re donating $5,000 to Nathan’s defense fund to start it out, and hope you can donate something too. Link in next tweet.

Obviously, that tweet set off a flurry of social media activity and speculation about Liberty Safe, leading to the company's acknowledgement that they had given the FBI "the access code" to Nathan Hughes' gun safe. While it could be tempting to at least give them credit for coming clean, they were simply trying to get slightly ahead of the s**t storm - once court filings related to the raid and search are made public, they'll clearly show that the feds made contact with Liberty and were given the/an access code. It's not really clear whether this is an access code only for that safe or is some kind of universal backdoor access that all Liberty safes have.

Regardless, the assertion that they are committed to protecting the personal property and 2nd Amendment rights of their customers and preserving their rights is a joke. Even if there's a valid warrant for law enforcement to search the premises, if there was no backdoor access available the feds would have had to find another way into Hughes' safe and perhaps he would have had the opportunity to have his attorney challenge the search warrant. It's not up to Liberty to decide whether or not a warrant being served on one of their customers is valid. If they're so committed to their customers' privacy and protecting their fundamental rights, they could at least go through the motions of having their own legal team fight requests for access. Even better, they can ensure that there's no backdoor access available, period.

 

[GamerGateSurvivor]

A universal code. So in other words, worthless for storing anything of value.

And once those codes get leaked online, those safes won’t be worth the steel they’re made from.

 

[That_Guy]

The whole thing looks like a fantastically dumb move on the manufacturer's part - from the article, It sounds like the warrant was just a search warrant for the house, Not a "Cough up the combo" warrant. The feds had unlimited access to the safe and all the tools one could want and no shits to give about wrecking the thing. A sheet metal and sheetrock fire safe would be open quicker than you could get the someone from the safe company on the phone. Referring it to cooperate legal and them giving everything a good going-over would mean it's simply not worth the trouble. At the time of the raid? Angle grinder and a sawzall and you're in.

If they were up to some B.S. sneak-and-peek warrant stuff before the raid and wanted in then it might make sense for that. This is just going to end up with no backdooor access, either because the company removes them (And saves themselves work by being able to respond to warrants with "LOL no we don't have that. Good luck") or goes out of business.

Edit: I cannot spell.

 

[LaxerBRO]

I am not againt Liberty Safe for having complied with the warrant, what I do resent is having a fucking universal code.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Just posted this on the general gun thread. Their Twitter is locked down, and even TheQuartering was in on the bashing. 2.2m views on an account that normally got 10k or so per tweet.

It's a marketing disaster and maybe a no-win scenario, but this very well could sink the company. I'm sure all the electronic locks out there have backdoors though, so not like it matters. It's weird to me that Liberty and the feds would blow their Intel wad over something like this when they could just tear it open faster than going to Liberty like they did.

And TheQuartering wasn't wrong to said it's even worse than Bud Light, yikes!

 

[BootlegPopeye]

I am not againt Liberty Safe for having complied with the warrant, what I do resent is having a fucking universal code.

You should be, because like That_Guy says, it sounds like this is just for the house, not necessarily for everything secure within the house. His attorney may have had a chance to challenge it if they (Liberty Safe) had denied the FBI's 'request' for the combination as well.

Incidentally, I recently bought a new gunsafe but noticed that ones with just key locks only were getting alot tougher to find. I couldn't find one that had a reasonable price with the features I wanted WITHOUT some kind of 'electronic' or 'smart' features. Eventually, the solution I came up with was to get one that had both key/electronic and just never set/use the smart combination 'feature' ever. I might even rip it out of my safe now.

 

[That_Guy]

Better change your name to safes by Bud Light because your business is fucked.

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Have a look at the comments. Great minds and all that.

Also this one says it was a "property search warrant" rather than something specifically for the combo. The feds were good to go on chopping it open themselves and Liberty Safe could've told the that they needed a warrant for the safe combination if the wanted that in particular. Access was not a problem.

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

Corporations are not your friends. C-suite executives are not your bros who are totally on your side against the big gubmint demonkkkraps.

 

[LaxerBRO]

You should be, because like That_Guy says, it sounds like this is just for the house, not necessarily for everything secure within the house. His attorney may have had a chance to challenge it if they (Liberty Safe) had denied the FBI's 'request' for the combination as well.

Incidentally, I recently bought a new gunsafe but noticed that ones with just key locks only were getting alot tougher to find. I couldn't find one that had a reasonable price with the features I wanted WITHOUT some kind of 'electronic' or 'smart' features. Eventually, the solution I came up with was to get one that had both key/electronic and just never set/use the smart combination 'feature' ever. I might even rip it out of my safe now.

In retrospect, it seems like the search warrant only was for the property not for the Liberty Safe Company. If that's the case, then Liberty Safe should have required the Feds to come back with a subpoena for the codes.

 

[Breadbassket]

In retrospect, it seems like the search warrant only was for the property not for the Liberty Safe Company. If that's the case, then Liberty Safe should have required the Feds to come back with a subpoena for the codes.

The company could of done a lot better to make themselves look less bad in the situation but couldn't stop tripping over themselves to help the FBI. All it cost them to do so was the destruction of any confidence in their products and services in the eyes of many people.

 

[BootlegPopeye]

The company could of done a lot better to make themselves look less bad in the situation but couldn't stop tripping over themselves to help the FBI. All it cost them to do so was the destruction of any confidence in their products and services in the eyes of many people.

It's the 'respect for law enforcement/military' aspect of the conservative mentality kicking in here, often derisively called worship. Aren't the cops our friends? Don't we want to assist them in their fight against TERRISM? (yes, this dangerous trespasser is being prosecuted under the counter-terrorism section of the Dept of 'Justice')

Conservanormies have long been behind the curve on this question.

 

[likeacrackado]

The idea of an electronic safe lock having a backdoor seems like common sense. The same kinds of boomer who are throwing a fit over this are the ones forgetting their passwords.

With that said, most commercial safes won't stop determined and skilled thieves, it might just take them longer to break in. Your $1000 liberty safe you bought at bass pro certainly won't stop the feds regardless of whether or not the company lets them in.

 

[mlanguishi]

It's the 'respect for law enforcement/military' aspect of the conservative mentality kicking in here, often derisively called worship. Aren't the cops our friends? Don't we want to assist them in their fight against TERRISM? (yes, this dangerous trespasser is being prosecuted under the counter-terrorism section of the Dept of 'Justice')

Conservanormies have long been behind the curve on this question.

There is certainly a vocal minority on the right that are flat out boot-lickers. Lots of 'they had a warrant, what's the problem' crap. I don't know how these guys can witness current events or history and realize that it's mostly the police force that comes after political enemies. It's rarely ever the military.

This is probably the weirdest internal contradiction of the right. Sometimes you'll see the right protest law enforcement a bit more when a Democrat is president, like that really matters.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

There is certainly a vocal minority on the right that are flat out boot-lickers. Lots of 'they had a warrant, what's the problem' crap. I don't know how these guys can witness current events or history and realize that it's mostly the police force that comes after political enemies. It's rarely ever the military.

This is probably the weirdest internal contradiction of the right. Sometimes you'll see the right protest law enforcement a bit more when a Democrat is president, like that really matters.

It's been a slow shift but after uvalde and j6 there's a lot more rank and file who aren't full on acab but are definitely a lot more open to discussion of the validity of gangsta rap lyrics about the fucking pigs

 

[code123]

i hope we get to see someone reverse engineer one of these now that we know that there is a "master key" i assume it would not be that hard to dump the rom and decompile the code.

 

[Neo-Nazi Rich Evans]

Incidentally, I recently bought a new gunsafe but noticed that ones with just key locks only were getting alot tougher to find. I couldn't find one that had a reasonable price with the features I wanted WITHOUT some kind of 'electronic' or 'smart' features. Eventually, the solution I came up with was to get one that had both key/electronic and just never set/use the smart combination 'feature' ever. I might even rip it out of my safe now.

this is true not just with safes but everything. it is difficult to just find a good basic anything which does one thing and one thing well. instead everything has to come with a litany of electronic and IOT bullshit slapped on. i am so sick of it. i just want a plain basic no bullshit tv, a plain basic no bullshit car, a plain basic no bullshit refrigerator, a plain basic no bullshit safe, a plain basic no bullshit everything.
but i blame the the fucking nigger cattle who buy things. form what ive seen of the standard NPC consumer they have determined that if something doesn't have the latest shiniest nigger technology slapped to it then they wont buy it. if they buy a tv it has to have all the nigger technology installed otherwise it only gets a 2 star rating from them.

 

[Big moth tiddies]

Your $1000 liberty safe you bought at bass pro certainly won't stop the feds regardless of whether or not the company lets them in.

No, but if the feds destroy the safe, such a detail can be used in a court of law. It might mean nothing, it might mean a lot. Having a company just fold immediately is shit.

I am not againt Liberty Safe for having complied with the warrant, what I do resent is having a fucking universal code.

Jesus christ, in the past google, reddit, and other pozzed companies have put up more of a fight than this company did.

That simple fact alone should make you think.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

There's certainly no radios in the ones I know of. I don't know if we'll ever get the full story. My best bet is there's some long ass code that series of the safes all share that only 'those in the know' are supposed to know about. It wouldn't make sense really to go by serial number, because I'm pretty sure all serials on major safe brands are only printed on the inside. I know my older one basically said you lose the combo, get a safe cracker, there's no backup. But I doubt you can trust it.

ETA there are small electronic safes with bluetooth though that are relatively new,

The small safes are universally shit - check lockpickinglawyer if you want to see how fast he goes through them.

Any electric lock should just be assumed to have some magic button code combo that will always unlock it.

I assume the gay-ass FBI wanted the magic code so they could get into it without "evidence" they did so, which means it's probably standard operating procedure for this shit.

this is true not just with safes but everything. it is difficult to just find a good basic anything which does one thing and one thing well. instead everything has to come with a litany of electronic and IOT bullshit slapped on. i am so sick of it. i just want a plain basic no bullshit tv, a plain basic no bullshit car, a plain basic no bullshit refrigerator, a plain basic no bullshit safe, a plain basic no bullshit everything.

you can still get this shit somewhat, but you have to go commercial and it will be stupidly expensive for NOT having additional hardware and features.

the car would be the hardest one now, but you can buy old used vehicles.

 

[Meat Target]

It's the 'respect for law enforcement/military' aspect of the conservative mentality kicking in here, often derisively called worship. Aren't the cops our friends? Don't we want to assist them in their fight against TERRISM? (yes, this dangerous trespasser is being prosecuted under the counter-terrorism section of the Dept of 'Justice')

Conservanormies have long been behind the curve on this question.

There is certainly a vocal minority on the right that are flat out boot-lickers. Lots of 'they had a warrant, what's the problem' crap. I don't know how these guys can witness current events or history and realize that it's mostly the police force that comes after political enemies. It's rarely ever the military.

This is probably the weirdest internal contradiction of the right. Sometimes you'll see the right protest law enforcement a bit more when a Democrat is president, like that really matters.

My support for cops is situational and conditional. It is only insofar as they protect the public and stay within the bounds of the law. Somebody needs to wrangle society's tards, and it requires someone with more patience than myself.

The Feds are not your local or state cops who protect your community. They're mobsters with badges and guns.

 

[Just_Somebody]

What are the odds that this backdoor password would likely unlock a large number, if not all of the safes made by this company?

Absolutely fucking retarded and they deserve to go out of business.

 

[BootlegPopeye]

this is true not just with safes but everything. it is difficult to just find a good basic anything which does one thing and one thing well. instead everything has to come with a litany of electronic and IOT bullshit slapped on. i am so sick of it. i just want a plain basic no bullshit tv, a plain basic no bullshit car, a plain basic no bullshit refrigerator, a plain basic no bullshit safe, a plain basic no bullshit everything.
but i blame the the fucking nigger cattle who buy things. form what ive seen of the standard NPC consumer they have determined that if something doesn't have the latest shiniest nigger technology slapped to it then they wont buy it. if they buy a tv it has to have all the nigger technology installed otherwise it only gets a 2 star rating from them.

"How hard is it to not lose 2-3 keys?" is what I wondered when I was safe shopping. Apparently given the 'choices' I was given, pretty hard for niggercattle.