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mlanguishi said:
Interesting this came out today, their Twitter's already locked down after endless trashing of them.

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Liberty Safe, "America's #1 heavy-duty home and gun safe manufacturer," according to their website, issued a statement late Tuesday night confirming that they'd given the FBI an access code to a customer's gun safe in response to a request on August 30, 2023. That request came during a raid on the home of a man who'd attended a protest on January 6.
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Mikoyan said:
I dunno. I mean I get it, it's principles. They should not do that in a just world.

On the other hand it's directly analagous to what Josh said to Graf about his policy of non-compliance on Poast: Well cool, but what's your plan then, because if they have a warrant and you just say 'nah' they can literally throw you in jail for that.

I see a market, however, for safes with a common lock mechanism that you can put your own goddamn thing on. The paradigm for safes is the shitty digital keyboard lock holding up the bolt mechanism but how about just design that mechanism so that you can throw a puck lock on it? It's actually weird that this was considered the faster option than just busting the fucking thing open or wheeling the safe out but feds are lazy.

Actually if such a product exists point me at it. I don't feel I need a safe - in the unlikely event that feral kids invade my house for the weekend I can put everything well out of reach but I kind of want a cabinet just for environmental control. Googling shows only the push button type.

Edit from the torzone: Oh I see it's about third party access, like the Apple case. Muddier, but I'm also not sure anyone not the size of Apple was ready for that fight.
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break these cuffs said:
Non-push button safes do exist, but you're looking at real safes that start at around $2k and they'll offer dial combination/dial combination and key back up lock options. There was a site I can't find right now that autistically reviewed safes and went over things like fire ratings and how all of them in cheap safes are bullshit. He recommended a couple Made in USA brands that had good security and realistic fire ratings based on materials. This was 10ish years ago so the landscape may have changed some.

The only one I remember is Zanotti because their product was extremely interesting. They're safes that you assemble in your home. A 24 gun safe you can put in the basement after the home is built. I think the sides of the largest ones only weighed a few hundred pounds. I ended up staying with a Stack-On sheet metal special cabinet. It does the job of keeping small hands away and I live in an extremely low crime rural area. I took some effort to secure the cabinet beyond the norm. Some dope fiend who breaks into my house randomly probably won't be able to get into it, but it won't survive if a determined attacker with knowledge and intent to get our guns targets us a weekend we're away.
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I have been a licensed locksmith for about 20 years now, my bread and butter is automotive but, I service a lot of cash safes/vaults/atms/gunsafes etc etc.

I am not surprised by liberty, I have been called to many a job where the police are actively performing a search due to a warrant, a lot of safes and a few safety deposit boxes. I insist on seeing a warrant that accurately describes the security device I am asked to defeat. Roughly half the time the party being searched gives up the combination when told there is a safe technician en route. A good technician opens a safe with ONE hole and repairs it in a manner that nobody would know it has been opened, there are many unlicensed assholes with angle-grinders ready to destroy a perfectly good $5,000 gun safe, I would imagine people would rather not have their property damaged if LE is going to get into their stuff one way or another.

If you replace your factory lock obviously the manufacturer will no longer have the combination or override code on file A good quality safe will have a universal bolt pattern for the lock, allowing many brands/types of new lock both electronic/mechanical to be installed, the lock can installed by a good technician but some electronic locks can be installed by someone who knows there way around hand tools. Sometime they fuck up and lock themselves out, requiring drilling to defeat the newly installed lock, a repair and another lock to be installed, this time properly. The average lock retrofit kit costs $100-$150. My primary safe, was retrofitted with an electronic lock and installed in a manner that would make defeating the mechanism extremely difficult for even a tech that knows what he is doing. My walk-in closet was converted to a safe room, I welded up a custom 250lb steel door and installed it where the shitty closet door was. My safe room and my safe can be opened as all security devices can be, the difference is mine will take days instead of hours to defeat.

If someone wants to replace their lock I highly reccomend an AMSEC ESL-10 series, strong/reliable/easy to program/install, they cost around $160, after installation REMOVE THE SERIAL NUMBER STICKER, the factory can use this to provide an override code, without this they cannot.
 
The British Army has officially adopted the Knight's Armament Company KS-1 assault rifle (UK Designation L403A1, adopted under the Alternative Individual Weapon Program as part of Project Hunter) for use with the Army Special Operations Brigade and elements of the Royal Marines Commandos.
 

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Mikoyan said:
Didn't go for piston is the most interesting thing to me.
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These guys will be cleaning their guns religiously. At their level a Piston gun adds weight and slightly reduces accuracy.

If you want a Piston driven rifle go clean sheet (long stroke is best) and don't slap a piston on an AR like H&K did and fuck it all up (yeah the H&K 416 is fat and hurts it's bolt every time you shoot it)

Anything from the AR-18 family of Kalashnikov family is good to go for a good piston system perspective.
 
Pocket Dragoon said:
The closest I can figure is instead of locking at the front of the mag-well they lock at the rear; replacing the standard mag release paddle with a button/lever on the receiver (just above where the original release should be).
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They also have a version for their RPK, which makes a little more sense.
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But not much, considering they don't even have bipods.
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What the fuck why not just use drum mags?
 
White Devil said:
Have you tried to load or rock in / slap in a drum mag under stress? Or carry multiples of the fucking things?

The Beta C Mags that that Army SF tested gave them no end of issues.
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I know that. They're terrible, but the Beta C mags were this dumb proprietary double drum system trying to feed into one neck.

Regular AK drums have existed for decades, and while unreliable and heavy as fuck, should be as, if not more reliable, than helical mags.

At least with drum mags you're still using the same manual of arms to reload, and there are tons of them in surplus. I Don't have a clue about a helical mag but it sure as shit looks very different.

Who knows. Maybe the Norkies have a gestalt psychic field like the Orks, and they just collectively will their shit to work.
 
CEO of Posting said:
I know that. They're terrible, but the Beta C mags were this dumb proprietary double drum system trying to feed into one neck.

Regular AK drums have existed for decades, and while unreliable and heavy as fuck, should be as, if not more reliable, than helical mags.

At least with drum mags you're still using the same manual of arms to reload, and there are tons of them in surplus. I Don't have a clue about a helical mag but it sure as shit looks very different.

Who knows. Maybe the Norkies have a gestalt psychic field like the Orks, and they just collectively will their shit to work.
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Having used AK drums, they suck too. They have the potential to jam just as much or literally eject every cartridge (there is a famous video of this happening to someone). Drum mags are cool in theory and to fuck around with just doing mag dumps but in actual practice, fuck that. They're heavy and unwieldy and prone to issues. I can see a tactical use for one if you need an initial sustained fire and then go back to regular box magazines but that's it really.
 
White Devil said:
Having used AK drums, they suck too. They have the potential to jam just as much or literally eject every cartridge (there is a famous video of this happening to someone). Drum mags are cool in theory and to fuck around with just doing mag dumps but in actual practice, fuck that. They're heavy and unwieldy and prone to issues. I can see a tactical use for one if you need an initial sustained fire and then go back to regular box magazines but that's it really.
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lol yea, I've had a drum mag rapidly uncoil on me and spray x39 all over. They're dumb, but can be fun range toys or passive aggressive political statements.

I'd guess it's acceptable to use a drum mag if you're rocking an AK and/or don't have a dedicated LMG, but only in a pinch.
 
CEO of Posting said:
lol yea, I've had a drum mag rapidly uncoil on me and spray x39 all over. They're dumb, but can be fun range toys or passive aggressive political statements.

I'd guess it's acceptable to use a drum mag if you're rocking an AK and/or don't have a dedicated LMG, but only in a pinch.
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I don't mean to come off as combative or shit on you for enjoying something, I just tend to look at things pragmatically and never considered my firearms to be used as toys like a lot of people wrapped up in "gun culture" do. By all means if you can afford it have fun drum dumping into shit. I only get autistic when people imply they're combat effective.
 
Oh, I wasn't defending or suggesting that I, or anyone should use, drum mags. I'm 100% on your side that they're dumb gimmicks. Only suggested the that the norkies use them over helical mags because helical mags are also dumb, gimmicky stuff just as prone to malfunctions. Or, just, shit, use 45 round box mags if having a massive round count is critical to defending the honor of dear leader.

I wouldn't "leave the wire" with a drum magazine under any circumstance.
 
White Devil said:
How many do that vs regular boxes though?
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none for regular rifles, but plenty for belt fed, which was what i was getting at. the 240's nut sack, the MG42's assault drum thing, even the RPD had one. keeps a belt from flopping around and getting twisted up or annoying you by catching on things. all it is, is a pouch or case you can slide onto a weapon that'll hold a belt for you.

if i was humping around a normal rifle, i'd rather have 3 PMAGs than pretty much any drum. fixed position i could be okay with a drum magazine or two if they were reliable.
 
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Troon_Patrol said:
you replace your factory lock obviously the manufacturer will no longer have the combination or override code on file A good quality safe will have a universal bolt pattern for the lock, allowing many brands/types of new lock both electronic/mechanical to be installed, the lock can installed by a good technician but some electronic locks can be installed by someone who knows there way around hand tools. Sometime they fuck up and lock themselves out, requiring drilling to defeat the newly installed lock, a repair and another lock to be installed, this time properly. The average lock retrofit kit costs $100-$150. My primary safe, was retrofitted with an electronic lock and installed in a manner that would make defeating the mechanism extremely difficult for even a tech that knows what he is doing. My walk-in closet was converted to a safe room, I welded up a custom 250lb steel door and installed it where the shitty closet door was. My safe room and my safe can be opened as all security devices can be, the difference is mine will take days instead of hours to defeat.

If someone wants to replace their lock I highly reccomend an AMSEC ESL-10 series, strong/reliable/easy to program/install, they cost around $160, after installation REMOVE THE SERIAL NUMBER STICKER, the factory can use this to provide an override code, without this they cannot
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Great info.

Fwiw Liberty came out FAST today with a "we're sorry" post and a plan and a request form to let you delete (lol yeah ok let's see how deleted they are when the Feds ask) your Master code from their database.

Anyway, a gun safe is to keep your stuff safe enough to keep the average bear from getting it and to keep things safe from a fire for 30-60 minutes, usually.

If someone has enough tools and time or is smart they'll get in.
 
CEO of Posting said:
I'd guess it's acceptable to use a drum mag if you're rocking an AK and/or don't have a dedicated LMG, but only in a pinch.
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For me there was only one time when 7.62x39 drums were worthwhile; back when almost overnight everyone with an AK suddenly wanted a drum before they became unobtainium, and vendors sold out within hours.

But before all that, when the AWB sunset happened, I made a deal for five 75rd & two 100rd drums. The guy had been hording all types of super-evil mags & drums since the early 90's, and was pissed that particular investment had essentially tanked. During the AWB years I remember them going for over $100ea, but he let me have the whole lot for $50 + some spare Jeep parts I had pulled.

I tried them a few times but the novelty rapidly wore off when they universally suffered from all the problems, so they got shoved into the bottom of a footlocker & forgot about; until years later when I made a new friend who had never shot anything. That day I busted out all the meme shit I owned, plus the footlocker filled with magazines, drums, & ammo. And within seconds of emptying the first drum downrange & clearing, the couple guys watching from an adjacent bench came up and asked where I got it; which I answered by stacking the drums on the bench.

I wasn't trying to flex, I just thought it was funny because they didn't expect me to start producing AK drums like rabbits from a hat; their eyes got super huge & they asked if I wanted to sell any before I even finished digging everything out. Up until that point I'd never even thought about it. I didn't have any problems with the idea, but I had absolutely no clue how much to ask for.

They must've taken my hesitation as reluctance, because immediately they both offered me $100ea for the 75s & $150 for the 100s. I briefly felt bad considering what I paid, but quickly decided that was what they were worth and to not pass up a gift horse; and along with those I sold them a freshly opened nearly full spam-can of 7.62x39 for another hundo. They called their wives, split the tab between them, and I left the range nearly $1000 richer than I started with.

As soon as I dropped my friend off (who enthusiastically became an gun-nut that day), I wheeled my way over to our shop and snatched up the CAI M1 Garand I'd been pining for. Those drums covered the rifle and Jeep scabbard, some extra clips, a repro bayonet & sling, plus -10 & -20 TMs (operator & organizational).

So yeah; I'd say 75rd AK drums worked great for me, in the end.
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