Liberty Safe Confirms They Gave Feds Access Code to Gun Safe During Raid on January 6 Protester - Liberty Safe have universal codes to their safes

https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2023/09/06/liberty-safe-caved-gave-fbi-access-code-january-6-n2163468

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/SKRYJ

Liberty Safe, "America's #1 heavy-duty home and gun safe manufacturer," according to their website, issued a statement late Tuesday night confirming that they'd given the FBI an access code to a customer's gun safe in response to a request on August 30, 2023. That request came during a raid on the home of a man who'd attended a protest on January 6.

The statement reads:

On August 30, 2023, Liberty Safe was contacted by the FBI requesting the access code to the safe of an individual for whom they had a warrant to search their property. Our company protocol is to provide access codes to law enforcement if a warrant grants them access to a property. After receiving the request, we received proof of the valid warrant, and only then did we provide them with an access code. Liberty Safe had no knowledge of any of the details surrounding the investigation at the time.
Liberty Safe is devoted to protecting the personal property and 2nd amendment rights of our customers and has repeatedly denied requests for access codes without a warrant in the past. We do not give out combinations without proper legal documentation being provided by authorities.
We regularly update our policies to ensure both compliance with federal and state law and reasonable consumer privacy protections within the law. First and foremost, Liberty Safe is committed to preserving our customers’ rights, and we will remain unwavering in those values.

The incident they're referring to is the arrest of Nathan Hughes in Arkansas on August 30, 2023, after an FBI raid related to Hughes' attendance at the January 6 protests. On Monday evening the Hodgetwins tweeted out Hughes' story, including that "the feds called the manufacturer of his Liberty Gun Safe and got the passcode to get into it too."

The full tweet shares more disturbing information, including that the FBI turned off his security cameras and held his girlfriend at gunpoint and put her in handcuffs.

Last week, a friend of ours was raided by the feds over J6, his name is Nathan Hughes and he’s from Fayetteville, Arkansas. Nate was raided by the FBI and arrested at gun point. His girlfriend (who just had a miscarriage) was held at gun point and put in handcuffs. The FBI turned off his security cameras, unplugged his internet, and flipped his house upside down in a search. The feds called the manufacturer of his Liberty Gun Safe and got the passcode to get into it too. All for protesting at the Capitol over 2 1/2 years ago.
He is being charged with crimes related to January 6th. He didn’t assault anyone and he didn’t vandalize anything. He is being labeled a domestic terrorist and a traitor to his country by woke leftists and the media.
Nate is just like us…he’s an outspoken American Patriot…he loves freedom, loves his country, and would do anything to preserve our rights. He’s been fighting to save our country for years now.
He’s also a small business owner with a family that relies on him.
We all know how heated this political climate is getting, but they’ve pushed too far and it’s time for people to speak up for people getting screwed by the system. BLM and Antifa can go burn down our cities and get off the hook, but Trump supporters get raided and rounded up for protesting.
Nate’s legal bills to fight these charges will be over $100,000, so we’re donating $5,000 to Nathan’s defense fund to start it out, and hope you can donate something too. Link in next tweet.

Obviously, that tweet set off a flurry of social media activity and speculation about Liberty Safe, leading to the company's acknowledgement that they had given the FBI "the access code" to Nathan Hughes' gun safe. While it could be tempting to at least give them credit for coming clean, they were simply trying to get slightly ahead of the s**t storm - once court filings related to the raid and search are made public, they'll clearly show that the feds made contact with Liberty and were given the/an access code. It's not really clear whether this is an access code only for that safe or is some kind of universal backdoor access that all Liberty safes have.

Regardless, the assertion that they are committed to protecting the personal property and 2nd Amendment rights of their customers and preserving their rights is a joke. Even if there's a valid warrant for law enforcement to search the premises, if there was no backdoor access available the feds would have had to find another way into Hughes' safe and perhaps he would have had the opportunity to have his attorney challenge the search warrant. It's not up to Liberty to decide whether or not a warrant being served on one of their customers is valid. If they're so committed to their customers' privacy and protecting their fundamental rights, they could at least go through the motions of having their own legal team fight requests for access. Even better, they can ensure that there's no backdoor access available, period.

 

[Sexy Peach Emoji]

That would a quick path to getting anythign found tossed and makes the judge look askance at anything else found during the search
I.e. You fucked up and opened a box you weren't supposed to violating the 4th ammendment, I'm going to believe the defense when they say anything else you found was in areas not covered by the warrant.

You get a particularly angsty judge and they'll toss the entire search, valid or not.

You are correct, but does not in anyway negate the issue of liberty just rolling over for the feds on the assumption that they did their prep work correctly. They should have made them prove it.

 

[Ghostse]

You are correct, but does not in anyway negate the issue of liberty just rolling over for the feds on the assumption that they did their prep work correctly. They should have made them prove it.

They were faxed a copy of the warrant. We don't know what the warrant said, but the FBI and Liberty do. They said it was a valid warrant that impressed Liberty's legal team enough to override their SOP, so until we see otherwise, given the information that FBI has access to, I'm going to say that the safe was called out specifically by the Fibbs who wouldn't want any search evidence tossed.
It'll come out. I am saying wait and see before prolapsing your anus in rage. If it turns out that it was just a warrant to search the premises with no mention of a safe, then yes, burn those spineless cucks to the ground.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Sorry if someone else already post it, but TheQuartering posted a new rant about Liberty Safe then I could nickname them Liberty Safe isn't safe anymore.

 

[mlanguishi]

Sorry if someone else already post it, but TheQuartering posted a new rant about Liberty Safe then I could nickname them Liberty Safe isn't safe anymore.

Yeah, I saw that earlier. He made 2 videos on it so far. The first one he said he'd probably keep the safe and put in another lock. The thing in the 2nd video that pushed him over the edge was that they have an ESG score. Clearly Liberty is owned by leftwingers but the security thing is a much bigger deal to me. These companies should have an opt-in policy on keeping codes and should have independent auditors like some VPNs do to make sure it's legit. These things are high margin, low volume products. I can see your $100 pistol bedside safe not being that secure, but the $2k+ model really should be.

I just don't see gun people 'getting over it' if they promise not to do it again, even if it's pretty much industry standard. And it's again not so much letting the feds have access, which is pretty bad without at least a verified subpoena, but I know how scummy people can be (lots of troons too) that work in IT.

 

[Sexy Peach Emoji]

They were faxed a copy of the warrant. We don't know what the warrant said, but the FBI and Liberty do. They said it was a valid warrant the impressed Liberty's legal team enough to override their SOP, so until we see otherwise, given the information that FBI has access to, I'm going to say that the safe was called out specifically by the Fibbs who wouldn't want any search evidence tossed.
It'll come out. I am saying wait and see before prolapsing your anus in rage. If it turns out that it was just a warrant to search the premises with no mention of a safe, then yes, burn those spineless cucks to the ground.

That's fair. More fair than I want to be with cops, bureaucrats and corporations. I'm at the point where they have to work to get me to assume reasonable doubt with them.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

You want to know something cool about fleet vehicles like police cars or city buses; they're almost all keyed the same, so if you get the key to one, you get the key to any of them. And this isn't just across specific departments, it can be across numerous departments as Ford and other vendors have explicit contracts for these vehicles and there's only so many variations you can cut a key in. Electronic safes almost always have a physical bypass and/or an electronic override/master code; and these things are generally secure enough (unless you become the target of some Hollywood style gang of international thieves), at least until enough professional thieves and angry ex-workers go out into the wild and spill the tea on how to get past shit.

Knox boxes are also able to be exploited. Whole neighborhoods have had to have their locks changed because the master key got compromised somehow.

And it's why Null has designed his website to have the bare minimum of user data available to function, recommends his users never give him any more, and deletes logs as soon as reasonably possible.

A NullSafe™ wouldn't have a backdoor for Null.

Both the Null and the feds know that it's a formality, and Null wants to be a good boy so he can argue that Kiwi Farms breaks no federal rules.

When it comes to SIGSEV or other retards, the FBI already has all the information it needs, with tools and other Internet backdoors.

 

[Joshuan Moon]

I'm going to say that the safe was called out specifically by the Fibbs who wouldn't want any search evidence tossed.
It'll come out. I am saying wait and see before prolapsing your anus in rage. If it turns out that it was just a warrant to search the premises with no mention of a safe, then yes, burn those spineless cucks to the ground.

A warrant is just authority to search but doesn't in itself compell anyone to facilitate that search. It could cover the gunsafe specifically by model name, serial number, and color and there would still be some level of warranted backlash regardless because the safe company facilitated the search of its own volition.

That minimal outrage being an understanding that nobody is going to stand up for you, and that only you are responsible for the security of yourself and your belongings, and choosing a brand that doesn't have an obvious backdoor built in. But if the warrant was vague as all hell then I agree, let the butt blasting commence.

The one case I could feel a bit bad for the manufacturer is if they truly weren't even aware they were fulfilling a voluntary action. If the warrant was specific enough, the Feds calling in the favor very well could have presented it as something they have no choice but to do. It's not like they're compelled to tell the truth to anyone. Just about any normal regular person who doesn't take an interest in law could easily fall for that. Ultimately the impression I got from all of this was that this was a "cops do no wrong" boomer mentality type of environment and they felt that the glowies were gonna get in anyway and had the right to do so, so why make officer McFriendly's day any harder when I can help him out?

 

[Xarpho's Return]

A warrant is just authority to search but doesn't in itself compell anyone to facilitate that search. It could cover the gunsafe specifically by model name, serial number, and color and there would still be some level of warranted backlash regardless because the safe company facilitated the search of its own volition.

That minimal outrage being an understanding that nobody is going to stand up for you, and that only you are responsible for the security of yourself and your belongings, and choosing a brand that doesn't have an obvious backdoor built in. But if the warrant was vague as all hell then I agree, let the butt blasting commence.

The one case I could feel a bit bad for the manufacturer is if they truly weren't even aware they were fulfilling a voluntary action. If the warrant was specific enough, the Feds calling in the favor very well could have presented it as something they have no choice but to do. It's not like they're compelled to tell the truth to anyone. Just about any normal regular person who doesn't take an interest in law could easily fall for that. Ultimately the impression I got from all of this was that this was a "cops do no wrong" boomer mentality type of environment and they felt that the glowies were gonna get in anyway and had the right to do so, so why make officer McFriendly's day any harder when I can help him out?

1) The fact that Liberty was compromised some ESG-loving investment firm speaks to its willingness to roll for the feds.
2) Is there any proof that Liberty was previously asked to serve a warrant? I'd be surprised if this was the first warrant they'd been asked about.
3) There's the issue that Liberty may not have clearly communicated to its customers that it had a backdoor.

The fact that Liberty is not releasing what exactly the warrant said and/or isn't making a donation to the guy's legal fund as a gesture of goodwill is not convincing me of their "they had a warrant, sorry guys!" act.

 

[Ghostse]

The fact that Liberty is not releasing what exactly the warrant said and/or isn't making a donation to the guy's legal fund as a gesture of goodwill is not convincing me of their "they had a warrant, sorry guys!" act.

They did made a contribution to the guys' legal fund, 5k.

Liberty cannot release the text of the warrant as they are not a party to it. What surprises me a little is they haven't reached out to the guy's legal team and said "We'll donate another 5k if you release the warrant text".

 

[Tour of Italy]

Boy I can’t wait for my fucking gun safe to lock me out because my TV overheard me saying something mildly subversive.

 

[Echo_Ender]

If you believe you need a gun safe, build your own or have one built for you. Alternatively, buy a ready-made safe and change the locking mechanism.

This is what every gun owner I know that has a safe does. Most of them are especially paranoid about stuff exactly like this.

Almost every good gun safe I've seen has a mechanical-based combination lock + Key system.

 

[Matt Damon]

Imagine literally putting your guns in a safe like a faggot rather than staged in strategic positions around your house like a Chad.

 

[mlanguishi]

Imagine literally putting your guns in a safe like a faggot rather than staged in strategic positions around your house like a Chad.

Doing both is an option of course.

 

[Snekposter]

Doing both is an option of course.

Indeed. Be like Alfred. He once boasted to Batman that he had stashed so many guns around Wayne Manor not even the world's greatest detective would be able to find them all.

 

[mlanguishi]

Indeed. Be like Alfred. He once boasted to Batman that he had stashed so many guns around Wayne Manor not even the world's greatest detective would be able to find them all.

One of my fav scenes in Spider-man 2 is when Harry Osbourn sees Spider-man and instantly whips a PPK out of the table he was standing by.

ETA: End of Spidey 1, oops

 

[Fartificial Insmelligence]

One of my fav scenes in Spider-man 2 is when Harry Osbourn sees Spider-man and instantly whips a PPK out of the table he was standing by.

Ain't that at the end of the first movie?

 

[mlanguishi]

Ain't that at the end of the first movie?

Yep, my bad.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Well well well, am I the only one who'll call Liberty Safe a bunch of Judas? From what I read on that article, I think lots of people will think the same thing.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/liberty-safe-scandal-parent-company-exposed-major-donor

https://web.archive.org/web/20230910195324/https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/liberty-safe-scandal-parent-company-exposed-major-donor/

Liberty Safe, which describes itself as “America’s #1 heavy-duty home and gun safe manufacturer,” has come under fire after a report revealed that its parent company has donated almost half a million dollars to pro-gun control Democratic officials.

On Wednesday, Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk shared FEC filings on the social media platform X, formerly known as Twitter, that show Liberty Safe’s parent company, Monomoy Capital Partners, has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to Democrats.

“I pulled the FEC reports on the company and found approximately $400,000 over the last 10 cycles of max donations to Democrats,” Kirk wrote.

Liberty Safe was sold to Monomoy Capital Partners in 2021, a liberal East Coast investment firm. I pulled the FEC reports on the company and found approximately $400,000 over the last 10 cycles of max donations to Democrats like:
Raphael Warnock in GA
John Fetterman in PA… pic.twitter.com/WqnlQpPnrA
— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) September 7, 2023

“Liberty Safe’s current CEO, Justin Hillenbrand, was a founding partner of Monomoy and donated $4,600 to Obama for America,” Kirk added.

In a news release Monomoy Capital issued announcing its acquisition of Liberty Safe in 2021, it called the move “another great example of Monomoy partnering with a branded, market leading, consumer products manufacturer that has garnered an enthusiast customer base throughout the company’s history.”