Adventure Time/Fionna and Cake

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Flame Princess was never going to work out. She was fire, she was figuratively and literally going to burn him. The age of the two being so young, along with their individual baggage, was a recipe for disaster. Finn was filling a void because he never fully got over Bubblegum, a fact that became more apparent with the Lemongrab episode after the break up, plus Breezy, where he took to hook up culture and got burned hard for it. Meanwhile, FP was an nuke waiting to go off, always trapped in a bubble making her vulnerable to emotion.

Neither should have ever been in a relationship at that point. As I get older, I actually respect the show for having Finn mess up that bad and having to learn from it. Season 5 and 6 are Finn’s low point. I hated it when watching initially, but it grows Finn into a stronger character come season 8 when he matures fully and is actually able to confront FP about it. He then handles the relationship with Huntress Wizard way better in the last seasons.

Here is the thing though, you needed to get older and actually remember a tv show you watched in your childhood to get what was happening. And that is the issue. For children watching the show they are too young to understand shit and they just enjoy the pretty pictures, teens won't watch that shit because that's children's cartoons. And the only group left to be a consumer base are 20+ year olds that still watch kids TV. And this set the standard that children tv shows aren't actually for children.

 

[Life is Hell...]

I find this show pretty good, the animation is nice and detailed, and there's some decent action scenes. Overall i think the show is a good continuation.

But i do have major issues with some of the casting choices they have.

Spoiler

Jinkx Monsoon as Lemongrab... Bruh...

 

[Blue Gem Kosher Queen]

With all of this talk about relationship drama on children’s shows I’m throwing my own two cents.
I agree that including relationship drama isn’t right because most children don’t have the experience to really assess what’s meant to be an anti-lesson (this is wrong for x, y and z reasons) but I also think most adults don’t like this kind of entertainment either because it comes as extremely juvenile behaviour. I personally think we live in an era of entertainment where most writers lack the personal experience to write compelling dynamics that don’t boil down to “this is toxic” or “let’s be platonic” and I think it has come to deeply affect both creatives and audiences, specially so in the age of loneliness.
The only core audience of western animation today are socially stunted adults that still act like teenagers and water is wet.

 

[Betonhaus]

Shows were better when they were writing stories based on what their children experienced, and what life lessons they wanted to impart.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Here is the thing though, you needed to get older and actually remember a tv show you watched in your childhood to get what was happening. And that is the issue. For children watching the show they are too young to understand shit and they just enjoy the pretty pictures, teens won't watch that shit because that's children's cartoons. And the only group left to be a consumer base are 20+ year olds that still watch kids TV. And this set the standard that children tv shows aren't actually for children.

Coming at this as a child who did watch it, I don’t think this was as big of a problem as we make it out to be. By the time most of these episodes were happening, the show was sort of in the middle of its run, about 5 years in with CN moving it out. It catering to the fans who grew up with it made sense, and I personally remember trying to keep up with it even getting into my teens. The only real issue was CN’s lack of marketing and erratic episode drops past season 6, which was probably the biggest contributor to its downfall.

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It should be said that AT was far from the first to have the issues you are ascribing to it. Pretty much every action cartoon from the 2000s-2010s fell into the “not for kids” trap. Justice League is a noteworthy example as that original series going for long 1-hour 2-parters set them up to only have teen boys and 20+ comic nerds watching till Unlimited cut it in half.

Teens also made up a huge portion of Teen Titans, Total Drama, Invader Zim and Avatar fans, so I don’t get your notion on teens forgoing cartoons. Even in terms of romance material, many previously mentioned shows from the 00s were dipping heavily into it.

 

[naaaaiiiiillllll!!!]

Yay, to the mesosphere! Finally we can DIE!

 

[fartsnstuf]

never liked it at all, the humor is too autistic and Finn is an annoying faggot

 

[SecretMagicalGirl]

My biggest takeaway from Adventure time is that you could tell whoever was in charge of writing it started to hate Finn more and more and wished the show was just about gum and the vampire girl.

It got tiring to watch.

Thank you. I thought I was the only one.

I don’t mind Adventure time and I actually think it’s a brilliant concept. But what soured me on it a little was how you can tell there was a point the creators got bored of Finn and Jake, and many episodes have them as guest characters in their own show. Specially in the later seasons.

It didn’t help that there was a point were they stopped aiming it at children and several episodes became super pretentious like a first year college philosophy student feeling he is too smart than everyone else . I am willing to bet this change had something to do with Pendleton Ward stepping down (unless you believe the rumors he was just kicked for being lazy).

But don’t get me wrong. When the show is actually about Finn and Jake or the core characters like, Simon or Marceline, it is very good. When it’s about a random character we will seldom see again, sets up things with poor or late payoffs, or it tries too hard to be smart it’s when I tune out..

 

[A Grey Cat]

the modern standard of any modern animation kicking the balls of any man trying to get into a opposite sex relationship while not keeping the same standard for girls (that are usually lesbian because god forbid the creator waifu gets violated).

At first I wondered why do internet manbabies squee over all the lesbianism in western animation in recent years as by its very definition the creators waifu wouldn't be interested in them, then I remembered oh right people like Kevin gibes and an entire plethora of transbians exist. All they have to do is Troon out and boom problem solved and anyone who says no is just being a terf.

But yeah adventure time pretty much set a trend that continues to this day, show starts out looking harmless and innocent enough then boom once it's a hit the masks come off and the wokness is turned up. Hell it's getting to a point where shows don't even need to wear a mask to lure suckers in to watch.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

I don’t mind Adventure time and I actually think it’s a brilliant concept. But what soured me on it a little was how you can tell there was a point the creators got bored of Finn and Jake, and many episodes have them as guest characters in their own show. Specially in the later seasons.

This gets rectified in later seasons. The seasons where this was bad were seasons 5 & 6, and a little bit 7. It is often forgotten though as CN completely stopped caring past season 6, so I am guessing many of us, including myself, missed episodes between 2016-2018.

I do agree though, the random character episodes like Root Beer Guy, Davey, Sad Face, Lemonhope and others really dragged the series when all the interesting episodes centered around Finn, Jake, Flame Princess and Ice King. Bubblegum used to be good, but these seasons made her unnecessarily sadistic or annoying (Reddit atheist moment: Wizards Only, Fools) for some reason and Marceline was never that interesting outside of Simon.

They really wanted to be a lore/world-building show, but all their strengths were in writing a strong main cast. I don’t really see it as Finn hate, but more so them trying to bite way more than they can chew. Luckily, they figured this out for seasons 8-10 (excluding the conclusion).

But yeah adventure time pretty much set a trend that continues to this day, show starts out looking harmless and innocent enough then boom once it's a hit the masks come off and the wokness is turned up.

Hilariously it didn’t. Korra, Steven and Clarence beat it to the lesbians game. The show can bullshit about Marceline/Bubblegum being a thing since season 1, but there was hardly any evidence till the final. It was always a fan service decision made way late into the show and behind the scenes seem to indicate that CN and many staff members didn’t want it, but someone snuck it into the final.

 

[Daddy's Little Kitten]

This show was weird, like it was too serious for kids at times, but it sometimes was too silly for adults? I remember watching some episodes. I did like Marceline's and Ice King's relationship. My favorite character was LSP.

 

[A Grey Cat]

there was hardly any evidence till the final. It was always a fan service decision made way late into the show

The same happened to the other shows you mentioned. Korasami was literally a last frame of the entire show decision (and arguably THE start of this western animation is gay crap) Steven universe practically swam in innuendo since day one, and I swear owl house was originally. Meant to be a simple show about a girl lost in a magical world/Harry Potter ripoff. (since the actual hp had been rendered haram by the lefties on Twitter) In season one willow park refers to her parents as...well her parents and not "her dads" where we lean like Clyde from loud house she was raised by a couple of queers and it's hinted amity has a crush on a fictional wizard...that's a male. Mind you the name sounds effeminate (malengale) but what we do see of the character it looks like a typical anime pretty boy,making we wonder if amity blythes lesbianism was something Dana Terrance added after she decided to take the mask off the show and show her true self.

The same goes for the marceline and bubble gum lesbianism. It was never a thing till the very last minute and now that it is a thing cn is doubling down on it. There was a commercial cn put out for pride month either last year or the year before, where Bubblegum straight up (no pun intended) said anyone who doesn't think her and marceline should be together is a "butthead" aka a bigoted incell angry they're not into guys anymore.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

The same goes for the marceline and bubble gum lesbianism. It was never a thing till the very last minute and now that it is a thing cn is doubling down on it. There was a commercial cn put out for pride month either last year or the year before, where Bubblegum straight up (no pun intended) said anyone who doesn't think her and marceline should be together is a "butthead" aka a bigoted incell angry they're not into guys anymore.

The only evidence was pretty lacking. It all came down to Bubblegum keeping Marceline's shirt from a concert they went to, which only indicates they hung out at one point. The later seasons tried to pair them up harder, but also not really. The pair ups were just PB and Marcy get back a stuffed animal, go have dinner with Ice King, and PB enslaving Marceline during elements. All of this can just indicate a rekindling friendship. The rest of the series contradicts the lesbo material. Marceline had a boyfriend and PB played "build a boyfriend" with a line up of suitors along with having a boyfriend in the zombie episode. Comics also have them end up with Finn after he turns 18 and becomes a buff chad.

 

[Crybaby Xianghua]

I liked the first four seasons of Adventure Time, but after season five, it became a trainwreck. By that point, it had an identity crisis, on whether it wanted to be an animated soap opera, a kid's show, a comedy, or a slice of life series. It tried to do all those at once, and it was a hot mess. To me, season/series decay is just as bad (if not worse) as unneeded remakes, sequels and spin offs.

Also, I remember when I was a little girl back in the days, even I hated shippings and soap opera melodrama in kids media. I preferred action, adventure, weird comedy and (intentional) nightmare fuel back then as a kid.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The only evidence was pretty lacking. It all came down to Bubblegum keeping Marceline's shirt from a concert they went to, which only indicates they hung out at one point. The later seasons tried to pair them up harder, but also not really. The pair ups were just PB and Marcy get back a stuffed animal, go have dinner with Ice King, and PB enslaving Marceline during elements. All of this can just indicate a rekindling friendship. The rest of the series contradicts the lesbo material. Marceline had a boyfriend and PB played "build a boyfriend" with a line up of suitors along with having a boyfriend in the zombie episode. Comics also have them end up with Finn after he turns 18 and becomes a buff chad.

It's always the same, coomers cannot understand same sex friendship exists so it must be gay relationship. It's a sign of a diseased mind.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Adventure Time was a fun show though some of the times it got serious was rather weak.

Though as for Fionna and Cake, it's a fun show so far, and I like how it's a multiverse show that's about exploring different universes rather than using it for cheap cameos to elicit claps. Though I will give a lot of credit for Tom Kenny since this is probably one of my favorite performances of his.

 

[Betonhaus]

The Winter King was an ass

 

[X Prime]

I personally think we live in an era of entertainment where most writers lack the personal experience to write compelling dynamics that don’t boil down to “this is toxic” or “let’s be platonic” and I think it has come to deeply affect both creatives and audiences, specially so in the age of loneliness.

Remember, we're living in an era where most cartoon writers grew up on fanfic. There are good odds women writers specifically grew up on slashfic.

If I recall, wasn't the issue with AT specifically Rebecca Sugar?

 

[Sparky Lurker]

I liked the part they keep introducing new characters just to kill them off on the next episode they appeared.
Top notch world-building let me tell you.

 

[NSJAP]