Autism

[FuckBitchesGetRiches]

In all seriousness? My younger brother has autism and he drives me up the fucking wall with how he uses it to excuse shitty behaviour- don't expect to have a normal conversation with him because he will end up diverting it to talk about Persona, Magic the Gathering, Jojos Bizzare Adventure, Undertale, Yugioh 5D or Gods of Egypt- those are the only things he ever wants to talk about. He'll talk about these things for hours on end, as if he thinks he's some YouTuber that rambles on for hours like an autistic.

He's also rude and never lets other people talk in a conversation, making him extremely obnoxious to most people (even his friends find this trait of his to be infuriating). His lack of social awareness is stemmed from the fact that he will not interact with any non-autistic; because Normies won't put up with his nonsense like other autistics do.

I was so glad when my supervisors stopped giving him hours at work because of his need to argue with coworkers on just about -anything- and -everything- no matter how minor it is; he hasn't been given hours for two months now and is only just starting to figure out that the issue is him, nor other people.

At one point he flipped out on the supervisor over the positioning of a fucking desk! Then there was the time he lashed out at a female coworker over something to do with comic books for not knowing something apparently... Or some shit like that.

Did I mention that he's also 20?

How does he not get the shit slapped out of him? I knew a kid like that in my middle school who was obsessed with a show on Comedy Central and King of Fighters and god help you if you EVER mentioned anything tangentially related to either of those. I brought up the SNK game Athena and he would not shut the fuck up. Ever.

I have autism and even I can't stand other autistic people most of the time. Having the same diagnosis as another autistic person is not a guarantee you'll get along with the other person, but this seems to elude people more often than not.

 

[Beaniebon]

Autistic people behave oddly, and someone behaving oddly - as bad as it may sound - is evolutionary supposed to be a turn off for us (they may kill us, bad gene pool, ect.). I feel bad for them, I really do, but most of the time they either enable themselves to be even more socially awkward or their parents do.

They tend to make people uncomfortable, especially when trying to be 'romantic'. They don't know how to read signals. They'll keep talking about shit you don't care about and can't tell you don't care. I think an autistic person could learn to read the room so to speak if they weren't enabled with this behavior, or at the very least have it explained to them how to act normal and realize when they're doing too much. They expect the world to change for them but it's them who need to change for the world, honestly. It's usually the parents fault and they unfortunately view themselves in the right when they do this. I must sound like a total bitch but that's the hard truth of it.

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I used to make commissions on a indie game forum for game art. I had this one client that had autism and he was creepy as fuck and had the social skills of a retarded four year old. He also was very flirtatious (terribly so) and even went as far as to ask me what my preferred dick size was (I was 17 and he was like 23 - nasty fuck). He even created a fake persona that tried to hook me up with him. I had only sent him about 75% of his work before he became way too much by texting me constantly and messaging me every time I went online and constantly asking for free shit. I was too lenient, I literally proof read his game, redid maps for him, redid character portraits to have bigger tits (more than once), helped him with character and plot development all for free - I guess it was my own fault he became like that. The :autism: was too strong to make him see that he was bothering me. And he was high functioning too

 

[Load Bearing Drywall]

I have autism and even I can't stand other autistic people most of the time. Having the same diagnosis as another autistic person is not a guarantee you'll get along with the other person, but this seems to elude people more often than not.

Yeah, I've found with autistic men of a certain background (let's be real here: white, upper-middle class dudes) never learn how to interact with normies because they don't understand why they should care and there are no consequences to their behavior.

And then pretty much all the research on autism until 10 years ago was on those specific people. We don't really know how autism looks in, say, minority boys or any girls who aren't low functioning. We don't know what they're like, probably because they're forced to blend in or they're misdiagnosed as something else.

 

[AnOminous]

Having given this thread some more thought, I have come to a conclusion.

Autism is fucking autistic as hell.

 

[FuckBitchesGetRiches]

Yeah, I've found with autistic men of a certain background (let's be real here: white, upper-middle class dudes) never learn how to interact with normies because they don't understand why they should care and there are no consequences to their behavior.

And then pretty much all the research on autism until 10 years ago was on those specific people. We don't really know how autism looks in, say, minority boys or any girls who aren't low functioning. We don't know what they're like, probably because they're forced to blend in or they're misdiagnosed as something else.

Y'know, I'm not sure why professionals don't look at less extreme cases in both the "idiot savant"/Temple Grandin way, and the "poop smearing" type. Maybe they think it's too much work because there are so many nuances in someone who's somewhere in between "Aspergers" and "autistic and comorbidly intellectually disabled". Maybe it doesn't fit what's being spat out by the media. I don't fuckin' know.

I've been through the system and it seems to be a constant that in programs where there are people who are "lower functioning" than me, I will usually be treated as if I'm just as clueless as they are even when my behavior and speech prove otherwise.

 

[Hom Tanks]

Yeah, I've found with autistic men of a certain background (let's be real here: white, upper-middle class dudes) never learn how to interact with normies because they don't understand why they should care and there are no consequences to their behavior.

Nobody involved with autism seems to realize how crippling and disempowering a lack of social interaction can be until it's too late and their son is either just a socially crippled manchild with no money to his name who plays video games/watches anime all day, or continually tries forging at some autistic project only to have it blow up in his face or burn out from either being incompetent or not being used to expending any sort of effort on things. Some practice with socialization can go a long way for any autistic, especially below the age of 25-30.

I think the moral here is don't cover up autism with money and material things and video games or it'll ferment into something untamable. The most extreme example of that would be how Borb Chandler raised Chris. I'm sure we all know that story, though specifically taking Chris out of the special needs classes and masking his autism with toys and games caused that autism to ferment rather than being managed and now we have the whole story of Chris to laugh, cringe, and feel bad about.

Y'know, I'm not sure why professionals don't look at less extreme cases in both the "idiot savant"/Temple Grandin way, and the "poop smearing" type. Maybe they think it's too much work because there are so many nuances in someone who's somewhere in between "Aspergers" and "autistic and comorbidly intellectually disabled". Maybe it doesn't fit what's being spat out by the media. I don't fuckin' know.

I've been through the system and it seems to be a constant that in programs where there are people who are "lower functioning" than me, I will usually be treated as if I'm just as clueless as they are even when my behavior and speech prove otherwise.

Autism, because that word is derived from "auto" meaning "self", has a fuckton of variables that vary from person to person, so of course researchers would think that's a lot of work. Some genetic and environmental variables could be at play with how each individual autistic person functions which could either simplify or complicate things.

 

[Without A Gout]

It's tough to gauge autism because there are so many different variations of it that it's impossible to give them anything besides broad generalizations (either "high-functioning" or "low-functioning"). One person may be somebody who has managed to have some semblance of success in the real world (i.e. can hold down a job) while another may be someone who can't even communicate verbally.

Part of me believes that even with autism, certain social mores like general and proper conversation, situational etiquette and avoiding social tics can be learned with intensive practice and exposure (in real-life situations, not forced conversations). We are in a society based on communication, and if you can't communicate properly or effectively, you are pretty much doomed. Autistics, even the high-functioning ones, have a staggeringly high rate of being either unemployed or underemployed, which makes them nothing more than economic leeches.

Communication should be stressed a LOT more in therapy, not just for any potential social benefits, but for their long-term futures as well.

 

[MW 002]

How does he not get the shit slapped out of him? I knew a kid like that in my middle school who was obsessed with a show on Comedy Central and King of Fighters and god help you if you EVER mentioned anything tangentially related to either of those. I brought up the SNK game Athena and he would not shut the fuck up. Ever.

I have autism and even I can't stand other autistic people most of the time. Having the same diagnosis as another autistic person is not a guarantee you'll get along with the other person, but this seems to elude people more often than not.

Even my coworkers have told him to STFU many times- mainly because he isn't someone you can have a simple fucking conversation with.

One guy had made an off-remark about being broke and then my brother rambled on for an HOUR about some shit he learned in accounting class or something.

He's also the kind of person who thinks failing a class in high school is the same as struggling in the real world. He has yet to go to college or to even live outside of our parents house.

I forgot to mention probably the worst trait of his: he has terrible fucking hygiene. He never showers until my mom ends up screaming at him to do so, which he only ends up doing maybe once a week- at most. He has an entire drawer full of deodorant that he has been given over the years at Christmas and for holidays, but hasn't even touched them once. He'll never do laundry until my dad starts shouting at him to- because he'll otherwise just fuck off and hang out at a friends house who is equally autistic.

That topped with the fact he never bothers to shave, you can imagine how putrid he smells.

 

[Abethedemon]

Autism is kind of neutral. It has good parts and bad parts to it. On one hand, it can allow people to be more passionate, creative and have an interesting outlook, on the other hand it can impair social skills and make you anxious and insufferable.
I have the 'tism and I've definitely come a long way since my early years.
I'm also okay with making fun of autistic people, because everyone deserves to be made fun of.

 

[SlothInAMilkCrate]

Even my coworkers have told him to STFU many times- mainly because he isn't someone you can have a simple fucking conversation with.

One guy had made an off-remark about being broke and then my brother rambled on for an HOUR about some shit he learned in accounting class or something.

He's also the kind of person who thinks failing a class in high school is the same as struggling in the real world. He has yet to go to college or to even live outside of our parents house.

I forgot to mention probably the worst trait of his: he has terrible fucking hygiene. He never showers until my mom ends up screaming at him to do so, which he only ends up doing maybe once a week- at most. He has an entire drawer full of deodorant that he has been given over the years at Christmas and for holidays, but hasn't even touched them once. He'll never do laundry until my dad starts shouting at him to- because he'll otherwise just fuck off and hang out at a friends house who is equally autistic.

That topped with the fact he never bothers to shave, you can imagine how putrid he smells.

Did your parents enable this behavior when he was younger and now this is why he's like this, or is it something else?

 

[MW 002]

Did your parents enable this behavior when he was younger and now this is why he's like this, or is it something else?

Yes they enabled him throughout his life until the last two years- he had gotten used to crying in order to get his way.

 

[Eponine]

Yes they enabled him throughout his life until the last two years- he had gotten used to crying in order to get his way.

I hope for his sake that he catches on before your parents' patience runs out completely

 

[FuckBitchesGetRiches]

Even my coworkers have told him to STFU many times- mainly because he isn't someone you can have a simple fucking conversation with.

One guy had made an off-remark about being broke and then my brother rambled on for an HOUR about some shit he learned in accounting class or something.

He's also the kind of person who thinks failing a class in high school is the same as struggling in the real world. He has yet to go to college or to even live outside of our parents house.

I forgot to mention probably the worst trait of his: he has terrible fucking hygiene. He never showers until my mom ends up screaming at him to do so, which he only ends up doing maybe once a week- at most. He has an entire drawer full of deodorant that he has been given over the years at Christmas and for holidays, but hasn't even touched them once. He'll never do laundry until my dad starts shouting at him to- because he'll otherwise just fuck off and hang out at a friends house who is equally autistic.

That topped with the fact he never bothers to shave, you can imagine how putrid he smells.

I'm surprised he managed to hold down a job considering he's malodorous. If it were up to me, I would have turned him away the moment he walked through the door; possibly before then if I caught a whiff.

Is this one of those "family" jobs where he works at a business run by the family (I knew an autistic dude like this - he's a janitor), or something else? I'm sorry if I'm asking too much - I can't imagine going to a job in such a state as his.

 

[Tlazolli]

Autism is the worst, Asperger's is horrible, even if it's mild, because the thing keeps thwarting your own behavioral improvement. It's like being stuck at being an insufferable child forever, even worse off, when your own family thinks you are fine, that you'll get married someday, have kids etc. without realizing their child, even if female and extremely high functioning can never really imitate standard human behavior a 100% and is likely to fail at socialization 90% of the time.

Even when you are just 15% off, close to normalcy, people smell the oddness on you.

In other words, I don't want to pass down this bullshit into some unfortunate soul. I had enough of it for a lifetime.

The gene pool probably doesn't want people like this to breed. Life isn't fair I guess.

 

[Beaniebon]

Even when you are just 15% off, close to normalcy, people smell the oddness on you.

This actually is true. It's an evolutionary thing that helps us to detect oddness (which could mean dangerous or bad genes for breeding). That's why mentally ill people and the uncanny Valley creep people out or make them uncomfortable. Things that seem almost but not totally right cause a discomfort.

 

[fcgh vgcf]

i think autism is p autistic, can we ban it from the human psyche?

 

[Tlazolli]

i think autism is p autistic, can we ban it from the human psyche?

Yes please. Selective genetics, because in this day and age, two autistics breeding creates more autism, and seriously we don't want that.

 

[Without A Gout]

Autism is the worst, Asperger's is horrible, even if it's mild, because the thing keeps thwarting your own behavioral improvement. It's like being stuck at being an insufferable child forever, even worse off, when your own family thinks you are fine, that you'll get married someday, have kids etc. without realizing their child, even if female and extremely high functioning can never really imitate standard human behavior a 100% and is likely to fail at socialization 90% of the time.

What I've noticed a lot of (mainly through general observation) is that a lot of parents have much lowered expectations for kids with autism than if they didn't. They seem to treat it as if it's either all but a death sentence or that they become "special" because of it. Either one of these things creates nothing but terrible results and a net-negative on society. The former is "stunned" to believe that the child is rather normal in a lot of ways (thanks to time and aging) and heap endless praise on them for no longer shitting themselves in public. The latter treats their child as if they were the center of the universe and they can do no wrong.

Both of these scenarios breed entitlement and a massive, massive victim complex because it allows the children to go into this cocoon of asspatting since they obviously don't know any better. The world simply doesn't understand and tolerate my child, they say. I've seen WAY too many parents believe their child is going to become the next Temple Grandin, simply for exising. Most of these kids end up becoming the likes of Steven Clickford and 03bgood. By the time the parents start to put the foot down, it's way too late.

 

[FuckBitchesGetRiches]

What I've noticed a lot of (mainly through general observation) is that a lot of parents have much lowered expectations for kids with autism than if they didn't. They seem to treat it as if it's either all but a death sentence or that they become "special" because of it. Either one of these things creates nothing but terrible results and a net-negative on society. The former is "stunned" to believe that the child is rather normal in a lot of ways (thanks to time and aging) and heap endless praise on them for no longer shitting themselves in public. The latter treats their child as if they were the center of the universe and they can do no wrong.

Both of these scenarios breed entitlement and a massive, massive victim complex because it allows the children to go into this cocoon of asspatting since they obviously don't know any better. The world simply doesn't understand and tolerate my child, they say. I've seen WAY too many parents believe their child is going to become the next Temple Grandin, simply for exising. Most of these kids end up becoming the likes of Steven Clickford and 03bgood. By the time the parents start to put the foot down, it's way too late.

And don't you dare criticise them or express discomfort with their behavior because then you're just a bigot! /sneed

I'm not really a fan of Temple Grandin, mostly because she seems to be what everyone thinks of when they think of an autistic person. So when I tell someone I have autism/Aspergers, they ask if I've heard of her. It gets kind of annoying after a while.

Yes please. Selective genetics, because in this day and age, two autistics breeding creates more autism, and seriously we don't want that.

Oh god I just remembered there are some people who think Aspergers/autism is a positive evolutionary trait, which they usually use on the basis of stereotypes. That's kind of another strange thing to me - that some of these people don't want to be discriminated against but they embrace "positive" stereotypes.

 

[Tlazolli]

And don't you dare criticise them or express discomfort with their behavior because then you're just a bigot! /sneed

I'm not really a fan of Temple Grandin, mostly because she seems to be what everyone thinks of when they think of an autistic person. So when I tell someone I have autism/Aspergers, they ask if I've heard of her. It gets kind of annoying after a while.




Oh god I just remembered there are some people who think Aspergers/autism is a positive evolutionary trait, which they usually use on the basis of stereotypes. That's kind of another strange thing to me - that some of these people don't want to be discriminated against but they embrace "positive" stereotypes.

The neoteny traits in many autistic individuals supports this could be an evolutionary trait, seeing how domesticated animals, namely mammals, after generations of domestication the offspring turns more child-like, if autistic behavior is evolution, it's a really terrible evolutionary path, being a self obsessed maniac that can't care for or understand other people is backwards and dysfunctional in a human world. What the hell is destroying us.