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[Mulch]

A woman is thinking about getting the tit chop. TIFs in the comments are telling her to do it.

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i am a cis female and i want top surgery. i present pretty masculinely, have short hair and dress masc and am already mistaken for a guy / nb a lot and it doesnt really bother me. as long as the people in my life know im a woman and refer to and see me as one, idrc about random people not understanding. but a lot of the people in my life don't seem to understand how i could still want to be a woman, but show a flat chest in public. i know a lot of you on this thread are trans guys / nbs. am i valid in feeling this way? i just feel like no one can understand how i would want to still be a woman and think maybe other people who have experiences with atypical gender expression may be able to help me feel like what i want is valid

Some of the comments:

it's called being gender nonconforming - you wouldn't be the first cis woman to want a flat chest/get top surgery and be happy with a flat chest and you definitely won't be the last. good luck with your journey homie! hope you can get top surgery

If women can want bigger tits then women can want no tits at all. Your physical comfort and your desire to present a certain way are absolutely valid reasons to pursue top surgery. Tits are a lot to deal with. You need to pay a plenty for garments and medical care, they significantly alter your silhouette, and just having them hang in there can be pretty uncomfortable.

They also are aggressively coded for femininity. If that’s not something you want it’s perfectly cool to fix the problem.

You may want to look into surgeons who offer care under informed consent. Getting surgery as a trans guy is a pain in the ass, but you are a woman, so you may encounter even more roadblocks. I advise you to search for care among doctors who have experience working with trans and gender nonconforming people. These professionals are generally flexible and open to alternative presentation. A regular surgeon may not fulfill your request entirely since, apparently, some docs are reluctant to remove a woman’s breasts despite said woman’s direct orders. So yeah, look into informed consent surgery, make sure you properly communicate your wishes to your provider, explore the options as there’s hella variations in top surgeries. And put your personal goals, comfort, and wishes above anyone’s opinion

Of course you're perfectly valid. Our chests are very personal to us, and everyone desires something different for their own. Some want huge boobs, others want small boobs, and some people want none at all. Just because society aligns bigger boobs with femininity, doesn't mean you need to conform to that standard. More and more people value self-expression over conformity, so... Welcome to the Club? It's your body, and Nobody has to be happy about it but you yourself. You get to define, change and enjoy it, and you don't need to be any specific gender to do so. It's also weird when people say women without breasts are not "real women", IMO. There are all kinds of medical reasons someone might get their breasts removed, a woman with breast-cancer doesn't lose her womanhood when their breasts are removed. Not saying it's the same as your case of course. But womanhood is more than boobies and dresses, and so is any other gender.

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[Gengar]

If women can want bigger tits then women can want no tits at all.

For the briefest slither of a moment I thought... eh, fair. Then I remembered that there's women who regret cosmetic surgery - especially boob jobs.

It's all in the same ballpark and I don't know why it's not clicking for them. Whether women want bigger tits or no tits, they're all being preyed aggressively by male sexualisation and the cosmetic industry. That "my body, my choice" campaign was a fucking mistake - where and when did that phrase became applicable beyond "let women decide what to do with their unborn fetus?" When did we start going "yesss girl get that nosejob!!!" under the pretense of female empowerment?

First: Stop thinking that  you need to change  any part of yourself just to appear a certain way to others.  You are not the problem. Second: There's so many ways to achieve a "flat chest" without surgery. Chest exercises, get jacked as fuck, lose weight, sports bras, tailored clothes to create the flat illusion. Literally anything but mutilation. Third: Stop asking mentally ill trannies for advice, you know that you only went there because you already made your mind up and know that they'll nod and agree with you instead of challenge your way of thinking. Holy fuck I'm so fucking tired of everyone and everything making young girls think there's something wrong with their bodies

ETA: I've never acted out my anger in violent ways but reading this statement come out of a pooner's mouth pushes me towards it. What's not fucking clicking with these people? How are you not living life with crippling cognitive dissonance?

But womanhood is more than boobies and dresses, and so is any other gender.

#endtomboygenocide, like, fucking yesterday.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

But womanhood is more than boobies and dresses, and so is any other gender.

Yeah but womanhood neither has a penis nor a stinkditch.

 

[Poonocchio]

@Mulch
"it's called being gender nonconforming"

Holy fuck, no it isn't, it's called mental illness probably from sexual abuse, and self mutilation what the fuck! GNC for females is wearing jeans or enjoying vidya or fixing cars according to the ethos of gender roles (which I thought were a social construct and bad bad bad a very short time ago? These fuckers are so confused by their own slacktivism and ideals) not chopping your body parts off! What has happened to society, how did we get here?!

 

[Procrastinhater]

Holy fuck, no it isn't, it's called mental illness probably from sexual abuse, and self mutilation what the fuck! GNC for females is wearing jeans or enjoying vidya or fixing cars according to the ethos of gender roles (which I thought were a social construct and bad bad bad a very short time ago? These fuckers are so confused by their own slacktivism and ideals) not chopping your body parts off! What has happened to society, how did we get here?!

We abandoned God. And He in turn, abandoned us.

 

[No Batty Boys in Jamaica]

Here’s a fascinating article about a person who got vaginoplasty at birth.

He(?) was born with a severely deformed penis, amongst other birth defects. But his testicles were viable. Doctors removed everything and did a vaginoplasty when he was a newborn. He’s like David Reimer with a less rage-inducing origin story. He wasn’t that upset that his penis was removed, because leaving it on was going to be dangerous. But he is rightfully mad about the vaginoplasty and subsequent lying by the adults in his life.

This whole thing where kids with weird genitals have to be given vaginoplasty and raised as girls needs to stop. They provided much of the source material for the butchers we have today. It needs to change so that the focus is on saving the kid’s life and then everything else is conservative. I just don’t think there’s some silent majority of people born with ambiguous genitals who are happy about aggressive treatment to make them fit into a gender. To the contrary, many intersex people don’t appreciate getting unnecessary genital surgery in infancy, and the ones who are left alone to figure it out seem to turn out ok. The statistics with all of this are sketchy af because most people don’t like to talk about it, and gender surgeons have biased studies to support their twisted views.

Also this person only had testicles for one day and you can still tell he is transgender because of his jaw. I’m not mad at him- this is actually a rare case where idk which pronouns to use. But I wouldn’t want him competing in women’s sports.

 

[LimeRikki]

Here’s a fascinating article about a person who got vaginoplasty at birth.

He(?) was born with a severely deformed penis, amongst other birth defects. But his testicles were viable. Doctors removed everything and did a vaginoplasty when he was a newborn. He’s like David Reimer with a less rage-inducing origin story. He wasn’t that upset that his penis was removed, because leaving it on was going to be dangerous. But he is rightfully mad about the vaginoplasty and subsequent lying by the adults in his life.

This whole thing where kids with weird genitals have to be given vaginoplasty and raised as girls needs to stop. They provided much of the source material for the butchers we have today. It needs to change so that the focus is on saving the kid’s life and then everything else is conservative. I just don’t think there’s some silent majority of people born with ambiguous genitals who are happy about aggressive treatment to make them fit into a gender. To the contrary, many intersex people don’t appreciate getting unnecessary genital surgery in infancy, and the ones who are left alone to figure it out seem to turn out ok. The statistics with all of this are sketchy af because most people don’t like to talk about it, and gender surgeons have biased studies to support their twisted views.

Also this person only had testicles for one day and you can still tell he is transgender because of his jaw. I’m not mad at him- this is actually a rare case where idk which pronouns to use. But I wouldn’t want him competing in women’s sports.

Sophie's story is a lot, and Sophie goes through a lot more actual (non self inflicted) psychological suffering than a lot of troons featured here.

The troons could learn a thing or two about self acceptance and dignity from Sophie.

 

[Questionable Ceviche]

Here’s a fascinating article about a person who got vaginoplasty at birth.

He(?) was born with a severely deformed penis, amongst other birth defects. But his testicles were viable. Doctors removed everything and did a vaginoplasty when he was a newborn. He’s like David Reimer with a less rage-inducing origin story. He wasn’t that upset that his penis was removed, because leaving it on was going to be dangerous. But he is rightfully mad about the vaginoplasty and subsequent lying by the adults in his life.

This whole thing where kids with weird genitals have to be given vaginoplasty and raised as girls needs to stop. They provided much of the source material for the butchers we have today. It needs to change so that the focus is on saving the kid’s life and then everything else is conservative. I just don’t think there’s some silent majority of people born with ambiguous genitals who are happy about aggressive treatment to make them fit into a gender. To the contrary, many intersex people don’t appreciate getting unnecessary genital surgery in infancy, and the ones who are left alone to figure it out seem to turn out ok. The statistics with all of this are sketchy af because most people don’t like to talk about it, and gender surgeons have biased studies to support their twisted views.

Also this person only had testicles for one day and you can still tell he is transgender because of his jaw. I’m not mad at him- this is actually a rare case where idk which pronouns to use. But I wouldn’t want him competing in women’s sports.

The obsession with giving an infant with non-standard genitalia a vagina that can be penetrated later in life is profoundly weird to me. I don't understand this fixation that the medical community has with making holes that somebody can stick something in later. Who cares what it is as long as the tissue is healthy. Let the person decide what they want to do with it, if anything, when they're an adult. What happened to Sophie is criminal. I also feel for her parents who were manipulated into thinking that an invasive, experimental urogenital surgery was the best choice vs. just doing the necessary live saving repair and letting their child decide later.

The AGPs getting rotpockets installed are the same way, the obsession with having something that can be penetrated. I wonder how much of this is their own fetish and how much of it is pushed by the industrial medical system where the SOP for decades was to feminize infants and children with deformities or botched circumcisions. I think at this point, the two are playing into each other like a feedback loop.

 

[Slideshow Bill]

since I'm now male-passing she'll take me more seriously. I've noticed a difference in how doctors treat me now that I'm passing. I went from a masculine girl who might regret destroying her body to a man who needs testosterone.

The doctors definitely don't see it that way. It's more "mentally ill girl is slowly killing herself but she's lining are pockets so whatever" to "we are starting to get concerned but she's wiling to literally die on this hill and we can't tell her to stop without looking like Hitler". Troons have forgotten what words mean. If people know that you are trans, you will never pass no matter how you look.

 

[Autistic Joe]

lol
Why can’t she just identify as having a 5.5 inch skin tube? Sounds like that ruler is very transphobic. Measurements are totally a spectrum, king.

Or she could just turn the ruler around and use the "cm" side, and pretend they identify as inches.

 

[batteredpancakes]

Here's a dragqueen TiF that got a Metoidioplasty and her shady Surgeon messed up the urethra when she put the ball implants in. u/fruityhxmbo
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Spoiler: My surgeon messed up and damaged my urethra while putting my implants in

I need help and advice. Yesterday morning, Dr Anger fucked up putting my implants in and damaged my urethra. She didn't even notice or check or take precautions to prevent this, knowing it was a possibility. So then when i went to pee at home, fresh blood was in my urine and i had searing pain in the left side of my scrotum because urine leaked into it. I then rushed to the emergency room and she had to remove my implants and repair my urethra. This surgery was actually a revision to my implants because she messed up the first time too by putting my right one too far forward (and likely not sterilized correctly) causing the incision to reopen/erode when i got an infection. My right one had to be removed and my left one remained in. Before this revision I specifically suggested leaving the left one as is and not moving it even though it also wasn't in a very good place because i was scared of another complication. She reassured me that it wouldn't happen and it was worth moving to be better for me. Then she damaged my urethra while moving the left implant. Afterward she admitted that she knew it was a possibility beforehand and could have put a catheter in as a precaution but chose not to because she "thought she was far enough away from the urethra". She didn't even discuss this possibility or precaution with me before the surgery, despite me being so concerned about more complications.

After explaining to me what she did and the precautions she chose not to take, she brought up another patient getting fat grafting because it was just "on her mind" and suggested maybe i go to the plastic surgery department to do fat grafting instead, even though she typically doesn't recommend it since it usually doesn't last. Honestly i feel scared to go back to her at all to put the implants back in. I'm terrified of her causing another issue. I'm also just so exhausted and upset, everything looked so perfect and all my dysphoria was gone, i was so relieved to be done after 6 surgeries in less than a year.

She's particular retarded because she was complaining about this surgeon 9 months ago and still went to her for revisions.
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Spoiler: Terrible experience with Dr. Anger and her team at UCSD

I'm supposed to have meta and hysto on Dec 21st, next week. But I have no clue if it will even happen because of the purposeful incompetence and negligence of the surgery scheduler for Dr Anger's office at UCSD. The scheduler's name is Gina Ortega. From the moment this surgery was scheduled, she has refused to answer my questions, tried to claim I didn't have insurance and make me pay out of pocket (im literally a UCSD student, i pay for it with my grant money as part of my tuition), made phone call appointments with me that she never followed through on without any explanation, and now has literally yelled at me over the phone and said "The only mistake I've made was doing you the favor of scheduling your surgery without your letters already on file". Getting my letters re-submitted has been a fiasco entirely out of my control, since Kaiser refused to release my previous ones and my primary care doctor told me incorrect information about how to get new ones which she didn't correct until this past Friday. Plus Gina didn't tell me what the deadline was when I asked about it, then told me the wrong deadline last week. She claims she "just found out" that the process of getting the insurance approval takes 7-15 business days instead of 7 business days which is what she told me last week. I genuinely have no clue if this surgery will even happen or what to do if it doesn't. I didn't feel particularly good about Dr. Anger to begin with because she misgendered me in the notes on our conversation about meta and refuses to call me male. She literally put my sex as "adult" to avoid calling me male (which is what I am in the system and have been for years). I was just starting to let myself get excited about this surgery but now I honestly just want to k*ll myself so I don't have to deal with the medical system anymore

Spoiler: Update on Dr. Anger at UCSD

I was finally able to get around the surgery scheduler and find out that I can call the insurance case department directly. Apparently I could have from the start and I was just never told that. One of the many many things never communicated to me. Turns out I could just explain my situation to them and they can easily mark the case as urgent and speed up the process. So it'll be processed by this Friday. I also met with Dr Anger today in person. She did not bring up the issues I had with her surgery scheduler (she very noticeably avoided the topic, she seemed a bit embarrassed). I've decided not to pursue that issue further right now because I want to focus on the surgery. But also on the bright side, I mentioned that she had misgendered me in her previous notes and she was very apologetic and embarrassed about her mistake. And she pulled up the notes immediately to correct it. At least there's that I guess. So im confirmed for surgery in 1 week and i'll start a surgery journal when im feeling up to it. But anyway, I just wanted to post an update for anyone who might work with this surgeon since I couldn't find anything about direct experiences before I started working with her.

I genuinely thought that "Dr. Anger" was a made up name she came up with to mock her but turns out that's her actual name.
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[glass_houses]

Dr Anger 'specialises' in urologic reconstruction and female pelvic medicine, but damaged the pooner's urethra when all that had to be done was put a catheter in before surgery?

Tell me your mum's on the board of directors at your university without telling me that your mum is on the board of directors at your university.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

But also on the bright side, I mentioned that she had misgendered me in her previous notes and she was very apologetic and embarrassed about her mistake. And she pulled up the notes immediately to correct it. At least there's that I guess.

At least her butcher isn't "misgendering" her anymore.

Turns out I could just explain my situation to them and they can easily mark the case as urgent and speed up the process. So it'll be processed by this Friday.

"Urgent" mutilation. Troons are so fucking privileged its insane.

May her hideous crotch abomination rot off.

 

[Myrtle the Turtle]

She didn't even discuss this possibility or precaution with me before the surgery, despite me being so concerned about more complications.

I call bullshit on this entire story. You see, trannies lie and exaggerate about everything. Theres more to this story that I am not seeing. No way in hell the risk wasn't discussed with this bitch. A large hospital system like UC San Diego is not going to move forward unless she signed or e-signed some form about the the risk of the procedure. My guess is she just glazed over it and ignored it.
The fat grafting was a nice suggestion because it sounds like she lost some definition due to the infection and the doctor at least told her why she would not recommend it but at least offered it as an option.

purposeful incompetence and negligence of the surgery scheduler for Dr Anger's office at UCSD.

What a take. Sounds like Gina is based but her behavior seems typical of a jaded paper pusher.

She claims she "just found out" that the process of getting the insurance approval takes 7-15 business days instead of 7 business days which is what she told me last week.

Insurance companies' processing turnaround times can fluctuate. 7-15 business days is annoying but not uncommon depending on the provider & workload, especially since this is not a priority procedure.

I honestly just want to k*ll myself so I don't have to deal with the medical system anymore

A totally sane and pragmatic conclusion when you have to deal with medical paperwork and small delays.
Aside from all that, Anger worked at Cedar Sinai in Los Angles which is a pretty good hospital in that area. She also has pretty good reviews too which stains credulity of the story.

One of the many many things never communicated to me.

Ffs doctors are not obligated or supposed to be a liaison for you when it comes to insurance, they just do the procedures. Theres tons of things are request only and not publicly advertised because people would abuse them.

 

[Piss Bear]

One day that doctor will crack and start venting on the farms. Be gentle with them - they do more good as a Farms fifth column in that clinic. Also I am dying to hear what doctors say behind the backs of li’l pooner and Alice. Don’t deny me my simple pleasures.

I think it was posted earlier in this thread. There was a gynecologist who was on r/neovaginadisasters (RIP) ranting about how she had to deal with TiMs and their wretched holes. If anyone has those screenshots I'd love to read them again, it was quite funny.

 

[Fornicario]

It didn't help ParasiteDick Nuigi that she had parasite eating her 'dog from the inside out.

Where can I learn more about this Nuigi and the tapeworm that lived in his flatworm? I'm always up for medical horror stories.

 

[batteredpancakes]

ElephantDick update! The elephant trunk is going and she's getting her arm mangled for phallus2.0
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Spoiler: Consult with Dr O’Brian Coon

My appointment with Coon today went very well! Everyone was so nice and knowledgeable and I feel really good about continuing with them. I unfortunately had the displeasure of getting delayed abdominal with Cetrulo, as I explained in a previous post, and recently decided RFF was the most likely and clear cut path forward. Today I made the final decision to go with an RFF redo.

There are a few downsides. My tattoo will be cut off, though most of it will be relocated. My previous attempt at phalloplasty won’t really be a problem but my chances of a good outcome are slightly decreased compared to if it was my first attempt, which is not surprising but does kind of suck to be starting over after two years of this. Coon didn’t have any numbers but didn’t seem too concerned about this being a problem. He’s seen a lot of Cetrulo patients and I’m really glad to be able to see someone with experience in revising/redoing (or undoing) his work. Thirdly, and the most challenging adjustment, is that I’ll need a stage zero for removal and to get things in the right place before stage one. He’ll put down some of the skin I have and he’ll bring my scrotoplasty up and my meta forward. My meta is totally buried by my scrotoplasty, and I could tell Coon was surprised and seemingly displeased that I couldn’t stand to pee. Not in a way that put the blame on me, but in a way that MGH did another thing wrong. I definitely could tell no one was a fan of Cetrulo there, but I already knew that and I’m not a fan either.

I spent a lot of time with Charles during my appointment too. I believe he’s a fellow. I saw him before Coon and after nurse Anon, who brought me back and took my vitals. Charles answered a lot of my questions, measured my wrist, and did an Allen’s test. My wrist is about six inches around, which is fine; not too skinny. And the Allen’s test determined my ulnar arch is intact. I’ve seen the Allen’s test talked about a lot but never knew exactly what it was. With the test I held out my arm palm up and they blocked off both the arteries in my arm and had me squeeze and open my fist a few times until the palm was white. Then they let go of the artery on the right side and watched the blood flow, making sure my palm turned pink again. That’s good! That means the arch is intact. If it’s not intact they can’t take the graft from that arm because it will compromise blood flow to the hand.

Some other good things is that I don’t need hair removal! I’ll most likely do it for aesthetics but it’s nice that I don’t need to stress about it for the urethral part. My previous attempt at nerve hookup shouldn’t be a problem either because the nerves are still there, which was very reassuring to hear. Also stage zero is an out patient procedure and time off work is only a few days. Because it’s such a short and simple procedure it shouldn’t take too long to schedule. Coon wasn’t sure how far out they were booking surgeries because “revision patients are in their own bucket.” Also if things are looking good and are close enough together, they can do urethral hookup during stage one. Don’t want to get my hopes too high, but that would be really cool. And he said time off for stage one is 6 weeks, which was another pleasant surprise. I’ve heard 8-12 which I was stressed about having to request that much time off.

MGB does integra on the arm and then a split thickness graft in a later surgery. I was a little eh about another surgery and having to go under again but their patients arms look good and pretty smooth without a big indent, which is something I would like to avoid if possible.

I’m a little worried about the intense recovery, but I know it’ll be worth it. One day at a time.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Devin O'Brien-Coon

I won't accept that this is a real person's name.

This is from a lost Zucker brothers movie that had a subplot about incompetent Black Nationalist/IRA terrorists.

 

[Mad_Dog]

I know it’ll be worth it

Oh how wrong you are, little pooner.

 

[Poonocchio]

The elephant trunk is going and she's getting her arm mangled for phallus2.0

No regrets, guys!
This is going to look mangled beyond belief. Coon got that FAS lip going on.