Starfield - Bethesda's new space IP: will probably be full of fun and easily trackable bugs

How do you think Starfield will turn out?


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So New Vegas is somehow better because it was shit at launch during an era where games were expected to be in a playable state at launch?

This also doesn't even get into how New Vegas is as playable as it is today because of user mods and fixes.

Once again, I like New Vegas. But holy shit some of you look back on it with rose tinted glasses.

I don't think people are thinking back and praising New Vegas for being buggy, they're praising it for how good it was and, how, somehow, games that came after haven't catched up to it.

Yes games releasing in buggy broken states is a bad thing, but people are willing to overlook a lot when the game is good.
 
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The retarded things shills say about this game are hilarious, I had a guy on FB trying to sell me on the game saying it has the "biggest cities of any Bethesda game ever" and the "most compelling story and characters of a Bethesda game" but the funny thing is despite being a shill he knew how buggy of a mess the Outpost system is as he kept trying to get me to forget those, I asked if I could build Settlements like in Fo4 (as I'm autistic about building those) and he kept telling me about the "Super compelling storyline and deep characters" instead
Is this main story really this short and shitty or is it just me?
I haven't played it so takes this with a grain of salt but I remember reading a while ago that Bethesda made the main story shorter because they took into account how many players don't really bother with the main quest in their games.
 
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If they do then I hope it would finally drive someone to make an open source Creation Kit. xEdit can do everything the CK does outside of facegen stuff and probably a few others, but it has no real UI and I doubt anyone wants to do cell editing by moving the coordinates of references. I really wish the Bethesda modders would realize how important open source alternatives are for them, but seeing the dismissal of OpenMW by the majority of Morrowind modders because of no MWSE support doesn't bring me much hope.
it will be limited to what MS allows for xbox. while they don't seem to be as paranoid as sony someone is gonna crowbar open their walled console garden, there's a reason developer mode doesn't let you play retail while active.

rest depends on much effort the community wants to spend on PC mods, but given the state of modders these days (especially bethesda games) I wouldn't be surprised if it simply gets ignored.

It's kinda cute how often I'm called a shill who likes too many games because they're from developers or publishers that the "hardcores" hate, but any time I point out that New Vegas had an awful launch? Point out that New Vegas was built on Bethesdas work and engine? Then suddenly I'm the asshole who "doesn't like anything"

I like New Vegas, but holy shit it is not the holy grail a lot of you people make it out to be.
you're either a shill or retarded, otherwise your constant butthurt about cp2077 and nms while giving other games a pass is stupid or on purpose. take your pick.

I don't even understand what the IT WAS SHIT AT LAUNCH YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO LIKE A THIRTEEN YEAR OLD GAME REEEE argument is supposed to be. people can't like a game for played the fixed version years later? buggy games are always shit and never improve? different people can't have different opinions about a game? what the fuck is it?
or is it supposed to be some meta commentary about the industry and people paying - or even paying, the horror - buggy games at launch, when most of them can be played for free?

and I sincerely hope it's not some retarded "stop liking what I don't like (as much)"...

One - it got me back to Freelancer. Nothing beats exploration in that game imo. Two - and this is the most horrifying thing - it made me seriously consider Star Citizen as a viable alternative to get my space exploration fix.
there's elite dangerous if you haven't played it yet, so everything's new (devs suck tho and it's basically dead. also pseudo-mmo). NMS just had an update and currently running another expedition (basically event with it's own storyline). x: rebirth while being shunned by "real" x fans is also quite playable these days and probably the closest to freelancer in terms of scope. expect some jank tho.
 
They mention Creation Club bullshit and give vague platitudes to modders with zero mention of a release for Creation Kit. How much you want to bet they're going the paid mods route and there will never be a Creation Kit released for non-Microsoft approved modders? If they do Starfield will be a dead game within the year.
I really hope this doesn't come back to bite me in the ass, but I highly doubt Bethesda or Microsoft are stupid enough to try and go paid mods only, that's cartoonishly evil company stuff. The fact the CK is going to take until next year to release is pretty shitty but Fallout 4's CK took 5 months to release, so hopefully it won't be nearly as long for Starfield.
 
I haven't played it so takes this with a grain of salt but I remember reading a while ago that Bethesda made the main story shorter because they took into account how many players don't really bother with the main quest in their games.
I feel like they could fix this and the whole 'players dont care about my story' thing Emil complains about by actually writing a compelling story for once, but I guess that's too hard. You don't see people doing this stuff with Morrowind's main quest, although that one does compel you to do side activities before starting it, but the actually story itself is good enough to keep you interested and playing instead of getting bored and going to do something else.
 
I highly doubt Bethesda or Microsoft are stupid enough to try and go paid mods only, that's cartoonishly evil company stuff.
Oh, my sweet summer child. This isn't Bethesda's decision anymore, it's Micro$oft's. The accountants there see all the mods on the Nexus as competition for their microtransactions Creation Club content and they will do their damnedest to control that. And what are modders going to do about it? PC players are a vanishing share of people who play games and people who mod are an even smaller portion of that. The only people who will get the Creation Kit will be the modders like Elianora and her ilk that got into Bethesda by sucking and fucking their way in so they can create bullshit Creation Club content.
 
you're either a shill or retarded, otherwise your constant butthurt about cp2077 and nms while giving other games a pass is stupid or on purpose. take your pick.
What games am I giving a pass, exactly? A minute ago I was said to hate everything, now I'm giving everything a pass? Which is it?

I've said from the start I don't think Starfield is great, but I also don't think it's nearly as awful as a lot of people make it out to be. (funny enough, a take I had back when Cyberpunk and NMS came out for them respectively, which is why I find it annoying when they're suddenly now praised while the industry standard of "fix it later" is always bitched about)

I swear to god, you New Vegas fans really need to touch a fucking titty with how absolutely insane you get over any criticism or reflection on it
 
I swear to god, you New Vegas fans really need to touch a fucking titty with how absolutely insane you get over any criticism or reflection on it
They just take HRT to grow their own titties instead. NV is carried by its content, but its a buggy mess still without mods. You can still encounter game breaking quest lockouts and softlocks without a mod patch. I don't really care about this argument, but as someone who likes New Vegas, people have some super weird view on New Vegas being much better than it actually is.
 
Is this main story really this short and shitty or is it just me?
You're supposed to run through it like seven times to see all the galaxy variations you can encounter so it's short by shitty design.

I'm really disappointed to see outpost building is even shittier than F4 because I was genuinely excited about the idea of making like a bitching space station somewhere to treat like a home base.
They mention Creation Club bullshit and give vague platitudes to modders with zero mention of a release for Creation Kit. How much you want to bet they're going the paid mods route and there will never be a Creation Kit released for non-Microsoft approved modders? If they do Starfield will be a dead game within the year.
Microsoft murdered Minecraft modding and shit just this year so I fully one hundred and ten percent expect them to do this in some form. Mods will be routed through Bethesda or need some form of authentication so they can kill anything they don't like and monetize what they do.
 
Oh, my sweet summer child. This isn't Bethesda's decision anymore, it's Micro$oft's. The accountants there see all the mods on the Nexus as competition for their microtransactions Creation Club content and they will do their damnedest to control that. And what are modders going to do about it? PC players are a vanishing share of people who play games and people who mod are an even smaller portion of that. The only people who will get the Creation Kit will be the modders like Elianora and her ilk that got into Bethesda by sucking and fucking their way in so they can create bullshit Creation Club content.
I still don't think Microsoft is going to look at the failure of Steams Paid Mods system, and then also look at the Paid Mods for fallout 4 and Skyrim and go "Yeah sure, lets lock all mods behind a paywall.". If we were talking about Sony or Nintendo here, sure I 100% agree, but I don't think Microsoft or Bethesda are going to do anything like that.
Microsoft released modding tools for MCC not too long ago and added steam workshop support, if they are giving out modding tools for free and plastering them on the store page for one of their main series I highly doubt they are going to do a full 180 and lock down Starfields mods super hard.
 
Microsoft murdered Minecraft modding and shit just this year so I fully one hundred and ten percent expect them to do this in some form. Mods will be routed through Bethesda or need some form of authentication so they can kill anything they don't like and monetize what they do.
microsoft can't stop mods from happening, they have a better chance with MC since it's online, but you can easily host cracked shit in whatever way you want.
the bigger question is if extensive mods will happen in the first place or if it will just be an endless wave silly asset replacements...

What games am I giving a pass, exactly? A minute ago I was said to hate everything, now I'm giving everything a pass? Which is it?

I've said from the start I don't think Starfield is great, but I also don't think it's nearly as awful as a lot of people make it out to be. (funny enough, a take I had back when Cyberpunk and NMS came out for them respectively, which is why I find it annoying when they're suddenly now praised while the industry standard of "fix it later" is always bitched about)
not bored or faggy enough to dig through your post history to win some internet slapfight, but it was some goyslop like cod or some EA shit. only reason I even remember because that was apparently ok while you can't stop getting your panties in a twist about NMS or cp2077 - and the latter only gets praised by retards that think an anime magically fixes a game, which makes conflating those two extra retarded. also nice hyperbole, reddit is this way --------------->

different people can also have different opinions about various states of a game, not to mention consider how post-launch as handled. or they might not give a shit about launch at all and play the game later. or even change their mind at some point. funny thought, I know.

I swear to god, you New Vegas fans really need to touch a fucking titty with how absolutely insane you get over any criticism or reflection on it
jokes on you, I never played NV, but keep projecting. I'm just calling out your sped behavior, which more people than me noticed.
 
not bored or faggy enough to dig through your post history to win some internet slapfight, but it was some goyslop like cod or some EA shit
"Not faggy" he says as he brings up some unimportant opinion I had that was horrible enough to offend but not horrible enough for him to remember while also pulling the "people have different opinions!" card while ALSO pulling the "I have no dog in this argument, I'm just arguing because I don't like your opinions and I have a chance to dogpile!"

And you're telling ME reddit is that way? You're saying I'm acting like a sped?

Please block me if I cause you distress, nigger. Or at the very least actually argue with whatever I say that offends you when I say it in the thread that I say it, not when it's convenient and you're hoping others will have your back.
 
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the bigger question is if extensive mods will happen in the first place or if it will just be an endless wave silly asset replacements...
The latter because there's no way MS is gonna pay their good boys for anything substantial. The ones that feel like they're entitled to royalties will just paywall their own mods. What'll be interesting is if MS comes down on anyone monetizing modded content. Maybe it's already happened/happening.
 
Creation Club or whatever it will be called now is going to mostly be cosmetics and player homes I think. The armor and clothing in Starfield is super lackluster and it feels intentional.

I feel like there's no way that Bethesda doesn't put out Creation Kit 2 though. That's one lie that Todd couldn't survive. I think Starfield will have slightly better support thatn Fallout 4, but no where near as much as Skyrim.
 
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I think Starfield will have slightly better support thatn Fallout 4, but no where near as much as Skyrim.
I don't know about that. Due to the mechanics and the disconnected nature of the game Starfield is a perfect framework for extensive user created content as each planet is a blank slate to be filled with stuff. I can see modders making whole planets up for their little setting instead of having to alter the universe at large
 
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