Nintendo Switch (Currently Plagued) - Here we shit post about the new Nintendo console, The Switch

On a positive note, go play the Star Ocean demo. It's pretty great.

Story cutscenes can be skipped, fast forwarded or automatically progress, with a text log if you missed anything.

Language choices can be switched in the menu. I miss the old voices from the battles in the PS1 game but the new voice acting is actually decent.

Switching the music between the OG and Arrangement version can be done in the menu.

You can switch the Character portraits in the menu (OG, 2nd Evolution, 2R).

Skill Points are used for leveling individual character skills (Cooking, Alchemy, Replication, etc) ONLY. You gain them by leveling up and now, winning battles.

NEW MECHANIC - Battle Points are a new mechanic in the game. You gain them by winning battles and leveling up. Battle Points are now used to level up your Special Attacks/Spells (Air Slash, Sword Dance, Foehn, Star Flare, etc).
This means that you can't level up the physical special attack by repeated use anymore. You have to use Battle Points to level them up.

ALL COMBAT SKILLS ARE UNLOCKED FROM THE START. No more buying those skill manuals from the skill guild anymore. You have ALL OF THEM from the start. Below The Belt, Qigong, Flip....they're all here.

Leveling up combat skills now require BATTLE POINTS, instead of SKILL POINTS.

All treasure chests are now colored coded. From rare items to battle encounters, they are coded accordingly to what's in it.

There is now a mini-map within dungeons and towns. There are also indicators of where chests are, NPC's, places of interest, etc.

Characters now have inner dialogue that you can see; which is really cool now.

Engaging in certain events (Looking at artifacts, locations around the world/field) will net you experience.
 
Also, I think we're likely to see something like the Wii mini that released in Canada, but for the Switch for parents who have young kids and want to buy them a cheap gaming console.
A Switch Micro would be great, something cheap and pocketable.

like a PlayStation Vita TV? I think they could get such a thing down to a pretty cheap price. take out the screen and battery, swap out the Joycons for a pro controller, replace expensive components with cheaper but bulkier ones...
I wouldn't personally be interested in that but it would probably be the smartest choice for a revision.

I mean, yeah, the could just keep pushing out cheap shovelware, but those don't move many units or make a whole lot of money, nor maintain momentum for a console. Small risk, small reward. Nintendo will still need to invest in heavy hitters.
Low budget games aren't necessarily shovelware, which implies they're bad games. I think Nintendo makes/publishes something called Boxboy, people like the series but it's quite obviously as low budget as they come. They could pump out DLC for bigger games too. That kind of stuff wouldn't even be bothered with if it wasn't profitable. I wouldn't rule out having some heavy hitters be cross-generation either. That's plenty to play it safe while giving Switch 2 the support it needs.

I just don't see that happening. Completely different situation
Yeah, a completely different situation where they played it safe pretending DS wasn't the successor to GBA despite not needing to do so as much as they would now, yet you think they wouldn't play it safe at a more experimental time (now). That makes no logical sense, assuming management still thinks largely the same way.

The whole point of that 3rd pillar lie was to chuck DS into the sun in case it failed, but it didn't so DS became the successor to GBA despite not officially being billed as such.

They are aren't going to push some "2nd pillar" idea with an obvious successor. The whole third pillar thing happened because the DS was not a successor to the GBA.
No, it was the successor to GBA, which is where your thinking about all of this stumbles.

All information we have point to the Switch 2 being just that; a successor to the Switch. Nothing we've heard or that has been leaked indicates anything other than that. Now, it might not necessarily be called the Switch 2... but if Nintendo just called it that, they would easily avoid the Wii U fiasco because the "2" in the name would automatically make it clear to everyone that it was in fact a successor, so they would be wise to call it that. We do have to wait to see all this all plays out, but somethings do seem clear as far as we can tell.
All information we have is virtually nothing except new hardware is being developed, leaks and rumors have been all over the place for years. We know almost nothing concrete about how Nintendo will market this thing or exactly what features it will have.

Switch 2 would be the smartest naming choice, but Nintendo has never called a system anything "2", not NES 2, GC 2, Wii 2, GB 2, nor DS 2, so I'd be surprised if Switch 2 was actually called Switch 2. I'd heavily bet against that not only due to Nintendo's precedents, but most of gaming's. Basically only Sony has ever named any line of its gaming consoles with numbers to indicate they're successors, and even they didn't do it every time (though they actually should have called Vita the PSP 2 imo).

Dillon is dead, his studio went bankrupt/got disbanded, didn't it?
That's too bad, though I didn't really like the game anyway. I just threw it out as an example of the kinda things that could keep appearing on Switch during the transition to Switch 2.
 
I guess One good thing to come from Paper Mario the 1000 year door getting a remake | remaster is that the original gamecube game prices should hopefully come dome. Cause if there is market that is any market more fucked up than the stock market it is definitely the retro game market.
 
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What if Nintendo followed a system where the previous generation console gets remade as a lower cost console indefinitely?
we're talking about consoles/handhelds that not only have games that rely on online servers for replay-ability (servers, might i add, that companies are not going to keep alive if the demand for it isn't big enough), but also where a good chunk of the games for said systems are digital download only (and again, the online shop servers for them had their life support removed). We are WAY beyond the era where we had companies like Sega giving the genesis a new lease on life. WiiU users are lucky they can still play Mario Kart 8 with other people online.
 
No, it was the successor to GBA, which is where your thinking about all of this stumbles.
It isn't an official successor. The DS line is a separate hardware family from the Gameboy line of systems. Its why its not called the "Gameboy DS".

Yeah, a completely different situation where they played it safe pretending DS wasn't the successor to GBA despite not needing to do so as much as they would now, yet you think they wouldn't play it safe at a more experimental time (now). That makes no logical sense, assuming management still thinks largely the same way.
The DS was a far more experimental idea when it debuted. The chance of failure was actually very high. Meanwhile, Nintendo had both its home consoles (this was around the time Nintendo were making the transition from the Gamecube to the Wii) and the Gameboy to fall back on. Nintendo right now only has the Switch, which has clearly reached the point of diminishing returns in terms of sales potential, and has reached the ceiling of its graphical performance. A direct Switch successor won't be a brand new unproven idea, but it will be building upon the groundwork that its predecessor has already set. If anything, the original Switch itself was more of gamble than the Switch 2 would be.

All information we have is virtually nothing except new hardware is being developed, leaks and rumors have been all over the place for years. We know almost nothing concrete about how Nintendo will market this thing or exactly what features it will have.
We can gather that its more than likely going to be another hybrid. Nintendo is still working with Nvidia and is more than likely still using one of their mobile SOCs judging by what we've been told about the console's performance, we just don't know the exact chip yet. There have been no leaks or indications of Nintendo doing anything else out of the ordinary, and the Switch worked so well, that its highly unlikely that Nintendo would abandon the hybrid concept. We just don't know how that hybrid concept will be deployed.

Switch 2 would be the smartest naming choice, but Nintendo has never called a system anything "2", not NES 2, GC 2, Wii 2, GB 2, nor DS 2, so I'd be surprised if Switch 2 was actually called Switch 2.
While its true that Nintendo has never used sequential numbering, that bit them in the ass with the Wii U. If Nintendo should have learned anything with that console's failure, its to not get too clever with naming conventions.

I'd heavily bet against that not only due to Nintendo's precedents, but most of gaming's. Basically only Sony has ever named any line of its gaming consoles with numbers to indicate they're successors, and even they didn't do it every time (though they actually should have called Vita the PSP 2 imo)
Xbox's weird naming scheme aside (which they've been vociferously mocked for in the past), the general gaming precedent, including with Nintendo, is to simply give an entirely new name to a new gaming console and not hearken back to the previous console at all. The Wii U was an outlier when it came to Nintendo in the home console space, only matched by the NES/Famicom and SNES/Super Famicom (and it should be noted that I've found old articles online from the SNES era actually mentioning that the same confusion over the name and people thinking the SNES was an add-on also afflicted that console, showing that Nintendo should have learned then). Similar names for products don't work unless you make them sequential, so, assuming the Switch 2 is basically a better Switch and Nintendo wants to ape the Switch's success for their new console, they would do well to either use a sequential name or just name it something completely different.
 
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Similar names for products don't work unless you make them sequential, so, assuming the Switch 2 is basically a better Switch and Nintendo wants to ape the Switch's success for their new console, they would do well to either use a sequential name or just name it something completely different.
Considering we have the New 3DS XL i question if nintendo will have learned that lesson.

But I'm wondering... How hard would it be for nintendo to make a cheaper Switch with maybe a 4-5" screen and a die shrink of the Tegra X1 or something compatible, and market that as a light duty handheld to replace the 3DS, while the Switch 2 becomes the heavy duty handheld/tv console? if it's cheap enough families could give all the kids a Switch Micro (except the oldest who gets the old family Switch) while having the Switch 2 be the shared family console...
 
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But I'm wondering... How hard would it be for nintendo to make a cheaper Switch with maybe a 4-5" screen and a die shrink of the Tegra X1 or something compatible, and market that as a light duty handheld to replace the 3DS, while the Switch 2 becomes the heavy duty handheld/tv console? if it's cheap enough families could give all the kids a Switch Micro (except the oldest who gets the old family Switch) while having the Switch 2 be the shared family console...
Huh. That's actually not a bad idea. Like a reverse PS4/PS4 Pro situation. Though, if they go that route, it might make more sense to just abandon the hybrid idea and separate the Switch's successor back into two consoles, a home console and a handheld, and simply have them share the same carts and library to simplify game development.
 
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Huh. That's actually not a bad idea. Like a reverse PS4/PS4 Pro situation. Though, if they go that route, it might make more sense to just abandon the hybrid idea and separate the Switch's successor back into two consoles, a home console and a handheld, and simply have them share the same carts and library to simplify game development.
that would mean nintendo would be selling at least three different consoles, the Switch Micro, the Switch 2 portable, and the Switch 2 TV. I think that would only serve to add confusion. Better to make the Switch 2 a single hybrid console and have the Switch Micro be the handheld. Maybe a limited run Switch TV to test the waters for a cheap TV console.

Just call it a Super Switch

Then we can have the Switch Ultra 64
Nah call it the Switch U
No actually. Just calling it the Switch 2 would be the most unambiguous. People learned from iPhones and the like that the bigger number is the newest version. Maybe call it the Entertainment System 2, then the next consoles can be the NES3, NES4, and so on.
 
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It isn't an official successor. The DS line is a separate hardware family from the Gameboy line of systems. Its why its not called the "Gameboy DS".
Sure, the same way trannies are official women, but we know what's really up.

The DS was a far more experimental idea when it debuted. The chance of failure was actually very high.
I don't just mean experimental in terms of hardware, but business structure. Since the 80's Nintendo always had a home and handheld console until Switch. If Switch 2 is a failure like Virtual Boy or Wii U, or even a disappointment like GameCube then they've got nothing. You'd see an N64 Mini and Mario Movie 2 shipped ASAP to help with profits (I suspect the Minis were partly for that reason before).

If DS failed then big deal, keep making GBA games and eventually shit out GBA 2, then pretend the third pillar never existed (rather than the reality that there never actually was one to begin with, it was always going to replace the GB line if successful). Switch 2 fails and then what? Without DS they still had the Game Boy line & home consoles, if Switch 2 completely kills Switch then they have nothing to fall back on (and that's probably why they supported 3DS as long as they did).

A direct Switch successor won't be a brand new unproven idea, but it will be building upon the groundwork that its predecessor has already set. If anything, the original Switch itself was more of gamble than the Switch 2 would be.
That depends on the choices they make. If they don't gimmick it up and don't market it differently then sure, it won't be an unproven idea.

The Switch was a gamble, but that's why they specifically marketed it as a home console, not a handheld (despite quite clearly being just a handheld with A/V out), and kept the 3DS alive years longer. If Switch 2 is ALL they have and they totally ditch Switch 1 then they'd need serious balls and frankly no brains, and the NoJ president would have to bring back seppuku if it is a failure.

We can gather that its more than likely going to be another hybrid.
I think that's the safest of all assumptions, I agree with it, and yet is itself still technically an assumption.

There have been no leaks or indications of Nintendo doing anything else out of the ordinary, and the Switch worked so well, that its highly unlikely that Nintendo would abandon the hybrid concept.
There hasn't been much "ordinary" since GC/GBA for Nintendo. Switch is as close as it gets, but having detachable dual mini controllers with HD Rumble on a hybrid isn't exactly normal either. I expect similarly subdued/optional gimmicks like HD Rumble and 3D, but who really knows, it might be something wild.

It will almost certainly keep the hybrid element but beyond that is anyone's guess, though there will probably be new gimmicks, the only question is how hard they'll market them/how integral they'll be.

Similar names for products don't work unless you make them sequential, so, assuming the Switch 2 is basically a better Switch and Nintendo wants to ape the Switch's success for their new console, they would do well to either use a sequential name or just name it something completely different.
I agree. The often suggested Super Switch title would probably be their worst possible option (just short of Switch U, which would have to be corporate sabotage lol).
 
I don't just mean experimental in terms of hardware, but business structure. Since the 80's Nintendo always had a home and handheld console until Switch. If Switch 2 is a failure like Virtual Boy or Wii U, or even a disappointment like GameCube then they've got nothing. You'd see an N64 Mini and Mario Movie 2 shipped ASAP to help with profits (I suspect the Minis were partly for that reason before).

If DS failed then big deal, keep making GBA games and eventually shit out GBA 2, then pretend the third pillar never existed (rather than the reality that there never actually was one to begin with, it was always going to replace the GB line if successful). Switch 2 fails and then what? Without DS they still had the Game Boy line & home consoles, if Switch 2 completely kills Switch then they have nothing to fall back on (and that's probably why they supported 3DS as long as they did).
But they've already largely made that transition. The 3DS has been retired for a while, and the Switch has largely carried the company by itself. What is more likely to happen is that future consoles like the Switch 2 will be more iterative than revolutionary to ensure a more stable install base that continues to support the company across generations. No more weird one offs like the Wii and Wii U. No more blue ocean strategy. Now that Nintendo has found a working concept, they will largely stick to it. They'll become more like their competitors, in other words, and play it safe.

The Switch was a gamble, but that's why they specifically marketed it as a home console, not a handheld (despite quite clearly being just a handheld with A/V out), and kept the 3DS alive years longer. If Switch 2 is ALL they have and they totally ditch Switch 1 then they'd need serious balls and frankly no brains, and the NoJ president would have to bring back seppuku if it is a failure.
Like I said, chances are Nintendo will just play it safe and not try anything too out there. The hybrid concept has proven to be workable. Now, what Nintendo could do is what I suggested earlier: split the Switch 2 into two consoles, a home console and a handheld that simply share the same library, online network, etc. That's a more viable option if Nintendo don't want to put all their eggs in one basket. Or Nintendo could increase their focus on mobile gaming to supplement the Switch 2's profit margin. Or they could follow Sony and Microsoft's lead and start supporting PC releases. Nintendo has multiple options, but just supporting the Switch 1 is the most limited option because its already hit diminishing returns; its reached its graphical ceiling, major third party releases are drying up, and the console's sales are trending downward.

that would mean nintendo would be selling at least three different consoles, the Switch Micro, the Switch 2 portable, and the Switch 2 TV. I think that would only serve to add confusion. Better to make the Switch 2 a single hybrid console and have the Switch Micro be the handheld. Maybe a limited run Switch TV to test the waters for a cheap TV console.
I thinking more along the lines of forgoing the Switch Micro and simply selling the Switch 2 portable as the cheaper alternative, while allowing the tv console to be the more capable more expensive version.
 
I'm torn, linking the console to Switch's legacy is important but after the Wii U fiasco (and 3DS which dealt with the exact same shit, all for the sake of having a meme name) there's no way, IMO, that they don't go for an entirely new name for the Switch 2. Just make up some random shit, call it the Udatte, I don't care. It doesn't have to mean anything as long as the marketing is good, games are present and bc is available.
 
Vanpool's staff is likely getting absorbed by HAL Lab. They have made Kirby games with them for the last few years.

And yeah F-Zero 99 is the shit, I hope they add F-Zero X machines in the future and maybe satelliview stuff.
 
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