Nintendo Switch (Currently Plagued) - Here we shit post about the new Nintendo console, The Switch

[IDanceonTrannyGraves]

Thinking of bidding on a big sealed RPG lot for Switch. Its at near current value, maybe a slight deal. Any advice? Do it or don't? Do you think sealed Switch RPGs will head up or down in value?

What games?

 

[whatever I feel like]

What games?

A lot of the "bigger name" series are present. Stuff like Atelier, Ys, Pokemon, Persona/SMT etc. I did a quick pricecharting check and he's basically selling the lot at current value. That is bad, because that means you could otherwise just buy them seperately, based on personal preferences) but that is with me discounting one or two of the games because I already own them and without all the bullshit/trouble of uniting them all under my roof. Its also, a little better than that price-wise, because sales history often is slightly below actual current listings, plus less shipping costs overall with them all going together.

 

[whatever I feel like]

I'd bet on BG3, unfortunately. I think a lot of TotK enthusiasm died fast.

Those are the two I am thinking of, myself. Of the two I think BG3 deserves it but am expecting TotK.

 

[IDanceonTrannyGraves]

A lot of the "bigger name" series are present. Stuff like Atelier, Ys, Pokemon, Persona/SMT etc. I did a quick pricecharting check and he's basically selling the lot at current value. That is bad, because that means you could otherwise just buy them seperately, based on personal preferences) but that is with me discounting one or two of the games because I already own them and without all the bullshit/trouble of uniting them all under my roof. Its also, a little better than that price-wise, because sales history often is slightly below actual current listings, plus less shipping costs overall with them all going together.

Considering how RPGs often go up in value for retarded prices, it might be worth it but it depends on what titles.

 

[whatever I feel like]

Considering how RPGs often go up in value for retarded prices, it might be worth it but it depends on what titles.

I think thats actually a bit of a mis-conception. Sure, the 90s stuff all ballooned in value, but plenty of 2000s era stuff remains cheap and affordable, even sealed. That said, yeah, I jumped in on it.

Edit: Bear in mind, when I say "cheap and affordable" its in comparison to shit like first party GCN stuff or those 90s games that are all very hard gets.

Speaking of which, though. DKoldies really fucked me the other day. My "scratched" PS1 RPG lot had some real fuckywucky ones and Wild Arms wasn't scratched- it was cracked. Thaaaaaanks~~~~

 

[Two Dollars]

I don't think there will be any major game releases, but they've certainly been known to at least deliver a swansong release for each home console (even Wii U), with some getting games years after their successors' release. Only poor N64 for some reason was completely ditched by Nintendo like half a year before GC even released.

As far as Nintendo consoles go, NES and SNES were the only ones to keep getting new first party games long after their successors' release. Just for fun, I looked up the last Nintendo-published game on each one:

• N64 got Doubutsu no Mori (Animal Crossing/Forest) in April 2001 (Japan), Mario Party 3 in May 2001 (US), or Pokemon Stadium 2 in October 2001 (PAL)
• Not counting the cross-platform Twilight Princess, Gamecube got Odama in April 2006 (Japan), Baten Kaitos Origins in September 2006 (US), or Chibi-Robo in May 2006 (PAL) though the PAL version of a Naruto game was published by Nintendo in November
• Wii got Kirby's Dream Collection in July 2012 (Japan), Pandora's Tower in April 2013 (US; the only post Wii-U Wii game, and it's just a late localization), or Quiz Party in July 2012 (Europe)
• Not counting BotW, Wii U got Paper Mario Color Splash in October 2016 (worldwide)

Handhelds, on the other hand, are a different story. The Game Boy and Game Boy Color more or less died in Nintendo eyes as soon as their successors were released, but GBA+DS+3DS all continued to get major releases. So it depends on whether Nintendo treats the Switch's situation more like that of a console or handheld.
Personally, I don't expect any first party Switch games after the new console is released, with the exception of a new Pokemon and/or Kirby spin-off since those two franchises tend to stick around for as long as they can.

 

[Two Dollars]

Speaking of which, though. DKoldies really fucked me the other day. My "scratched" PS1 RPG lot had some real fuckywucky ones and Wild Arms wasn't scratched- it was cracked. Thaaaaaanks~~~~

You might want to stay away from DKOldies. Nothing specific comes to mind (it's late and I'm tired), but YouTube is full of horror stories about them.

 

[whatever I feel like]

As far as Nintendo consoles go, NES and SNES were the only ones to keep getting new first party games long after their successors' release. Just for fun, I looked up the last Nintendo-published game on each one:

• N64 got Doubutsu no Mori (Animal Crossing/Forest) in April 2001 (Japan), Mario Party 3 in May 2001 (US), or Pokemon Stadium 2 in October 2001 (PAL)
• Not counting the cross-platform Twilight Princess, Gamecube got Odama in April 2006 (Japan), Baten Kaitos Origins in September 2006 (US), or Chibi-Robo in May 2006 (PAL) though the PAL version of a Naruto game was published by Nintendo in November
• Wii got Kirby's Dream Collection in July 2012 (Japan), Pandora's Tower in April 2013 (US; the only post Wii-U Wii game, and it's just a late localization), or Quiz Party in July 2012 (Europe)
• Not counting BotW, Wii U got Paper Mario Color Splash in October 2016 (worldwide)

Handhelds, on the other hand, are a different story. The Game Boy and Game Boy Color more or less died in Nintendo eyes as soon as their successors were released, but GBA+DS+3DS all continued to get major releases. So it depends on whether Nintendo treats the Switch's situation more like that of a console or handheld.
Personally, I don't expect any first party Switch games after the new console is released, with the exception of a new Pokemon and/or Kirby spin-off since those two franchises tend to stick around for as long as they can.

I am of the opinion that Nintendo will treat Switch like a handheld and continue producing games for it. The reason is because they have, themselves, heavily hinted that they will do so in statements to investors about dealing with "the problem" of the Switch's massive user-base.

 

[whatever I feel like]

You might want to stay away from DKOldies. Nothing specific comes to mind (it's late and I'm tired), but YouTube is full of horror stories about them.

Most of youtube's horror stories are about buying Buy It Nows from them, sight unseen. This was an auction lot, where they had not previously let me down.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Rarely are those major releases though. Usually, they are minor titles, maybe a remake, the type of thing that nobody will usually pay much attention to. Even in the third party realm, its usually minor games or releases, or smaller indie games that continue to release titles. The focus will shift to Switch 2.

I really think you're overestimating the faith Nintendo will have in Switch 2, risk assessment is a thing and there's a lot they're certainly considering and accounting for. They've shown to be prudent players in the past, remember the DS being a "3rd pillar"? A company like that isn't going to just throw their previous console in the gutter and put all their eggs in one basket.

Now, how hard Nintendo drops the Switch will probably come down to how well the Switch 2 does initially, but the fact is, the Switch's console sales are slowing down and third party support is mostly indies at this point.

I agree, if they see a bad start like 3DS or a total flop like Wii U then I don't see them just eating that loss and moving on to Switch 3 ASAP or whatever. But 3rd party support still seems decent, getting pretty big names like Mortal Kombat, Ys, Sonic, Dragon Quest, Persona, etc.

It is missing plenty of AAA slop, but it always was. This list isn't bad imo, these are the kinds of games I think Switch owners want (could just be speaking for myself). At any rate, I wouldn't call what's upcoming "mostly indies", there's a lot of recognizable franchises listed. Is Professor Layton Starfield or Baldur's Gate 3? No, but it's not tranny's first Unity game either, you know.

And you have to give Nintendo credit: despite the flops that some of their consoles turned out to be, they fully commit to them and do everything they can to try to give them a fighting chance.

I'm sure they think so, but I'm sure a monkey could've done a better job with Wii U. It was never going to be a success but it could've crashed softer.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

As far as Nintendo consoles go, NES and SNES were the only ones to keep getting new first party games long after their successors' release. Just for fun, I looked up the last Nintendo-published game on each one:

• N64 got Doubutsu no Mori (Animal Crossing/Forest) in April 2001 (Japan), Mario Party 3 in May 2001 (US), or Pokemon Stadium 2 in October 2001 (PAL)
• Not counting the cross-platform Twilight Princess, Gamecube got Odama in April 2006 (Japan), Baten Kaitos Origins in September 2006 (US), or Chibi-Robo in May 2006 (PAL) though the PAL version of a Naruto game was published by Nintendo in November
• Wii got Kirby's Dream Collection in July 2012 (Japan), Pandora's Tower in April 2013 (US; the only post Wii-U Wii game, and it's just a late localization), or Quiz Party in July 2012 (Europe)
• Not counting BotW, Wii U got Paper Mario Color Splash in October 2016 (worldwide)

Handhelds, on the other hand, are a different story. The Game Boy and Game Boy Color more or less died in Nintendo eyes as soon as their successors were released, but GBA+DS+3DS all continued to get major releases. So it depends on whether Nintendo treats the Switch's situation more like that of a console or handheld.
Personally, I don't expect any first party Switch games after the new console is released, with the exception of a new Pokemon and/or Kirby spin-off since those two franchises tend to stick around for as long as they can.

I am of the opinion that Nintendo will treat Switch like a handheld and continue producing games for it. The reason is because they have, themselves, heavily hinted that they will do so in statements to investors about dealing with "the problem" of the Switch's massive user-base.

Nintendo is already slowing down game releases for the Switch, and will need to focus heavily on getting games out in a timely fashion to help its successor's momentum. So we won't see any big releases. Maybe a spin-off here or there, some more remakes in the vein of what we got in the direct today. But the fact is, the Switch isn't a handheld like its previous models and functions more like a home console. Nintendo could continue to support the GBA (though that one didn't last long after the release of the DS), the DS, and 3DS because game development for those consoles were relatively cheap, fast, and you could turn out multiple games in a year with minimal resources. Switch games are basically home console games with all the expense and resource allocation those incur. They will have to prioritize.

 

[whatever I feel like]

What games?

Well, I won....
Its these below plus Bravely Default 2, P5 Royal and FE Three Hopes. And don't worry about his, to be honest, abysmal, user feedback. Its all down to him cancelling stuff that didn't sell at high enough prices.

 

[Epoch]

Do you think sealed Switch RPGs will head up or down in value?

They will go up, YS 8 is already worth double its full price used. Switch games that stop being produced shoot up in price. Xenoblade 2 stopped being produced for a while and it shot up in price, but its back down now that they are producing it again. If its a more niche title or a game that is physically superior (as in a pack that includes multiple games on cart, or dlc included on cart) it will shoot up in price when it stops being produced.

I've been told by my local game store owner that he keeps sealed Switch games and doesn't sell them because he will flip them in a couple years for much higher than he paid, since he makes barely anything from new games. He's told me I should invest in physical Switch games but I'm not into the whole price gouging and flipping of physical games and just prefer to collect games that I like and that I will play. He probably would cringe if he saw me open collectors editions.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

I really think you're overestimating the faith Nintendo will have in Switch 2, risk assessment is a thing and there's a lot they're certainly considering and accounting for.

I know risk assessment is a thing, but you don't half ass and half support a marquee product. And, for better or for worse, Nintendo has never done that. The Switch 2 will be their flagship product. For it to succeed, they will have to throw everything behind it.

They've shown to be prudent players in the past, remember the DS being a "3rd pillar"?

Oh, I distinctly remember when they talked about that. I also remember that that didn't last long, and the GBA died less than a year after the DS's release when it was clear the DS was a runaway success. Of course, the DS wasn't necessarily sold as a direct successor to the GBA, unlike the Switch 2.

But 3rd party support still seems decent, getting pretty big names like Mortal Kombat, Ys, Sonic, Dragon Quest, Persona, etc.

It is missing plenty of AAA slop, but it always was. This list isn't bad imo, these are the kinds of games I think Switch owners want (could just be speaking for myself). At any rate, I wouldn't call what's upcoming "mostly indies", there's a lot of recognizable franchises listed. Is Professor Layton Starfield or Baldur's Gate 3? No, but it's not tranny's first Unity game either, you know.

Oh, third party support isn't terrible by any means. Nowhere near the nadir that was the later Gamecube years or the Wii U's entire life cycle. But missing big releases like Baldur's Gate 3, Starfield, or Armored Core 6 is a major problem and was always one of the Switch's biggest weaknesses as a console. Whether it was Monster Hunter World, Ace Combat 7, Soul Calibur, Tekken, Yakuza, Elden Ring, etc. Nintendo has always seemed to miss the biggest releases and one of the potential biggest selling points of the Switch 2 is that it might actually be able to handle these releases and not completely gimp them in the process. But even not taking those games into account, the Switch isn't getting much third party wise now. The third party showing in yesterday's direct, barring a few standouts like that Atlus/Vanillaware strategy game, was really nothing to write home about.

I'm sure they think so, but I'm sure a monkey could've done a better job with Wii U. It was never going to be a success but it could've crashed softer.

I think Nintendo could have released a successful console, but it would have looked nothing like the Wii U.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Switch games are basically home console games with all the expense and resource allocation those incur.

Plenty of Switch games look like enhanced 3DS ports, I'm almost certain Zelda: Link's Awakening was originally planned as a 3DS game, and Pokemon Shield/Let's Go arguably look barely any better than Pokemon Colosseum did decades ago. There's better looking mobile games nowadays than plenty of Switch titles.

So I'm not really buying that tbh. They could easily shit out something like a new Pushmo or random spinoffs like Pikmin & Chibirobo got for 3DS, it's just a matter of if they want to or not. It again boils down to if Switch 2 does well, if not then I'd be surprised if they didn't keep making Switch games.

I'm not saying Mario Oddyssey 2 needs to be for Switch, but it would be very easy and cheap to trickle in decent new games coming while saving the big guns for Switch 2. I don't think Dillan's Roling Western or whatever is going to be breaking the bank or stealing Switch 2's thunder,

I also remember that that didn't last long, and the GBA died less than a year after the DS's release when it was clear the DS was a runaway success. Of course, the DS wasn't necessarily sold as a direct successor to the GBA, unlike the Switch 2.

That's my point, I think we'll see a similar situation here, except "2nd pillar" instead of 3rd. They have even more incentive to pull something like that now than they did then.

We don't know anything about Switch 2, let's not make too many assumptions. It might not even be called Switch anything to avoid repeating the naming fiasco of the Wii/Wii U, and who knows if it'll be sold on a gimmick they prioritize. We have to wait and see how they play their cards.

But missing big releases like Baldur's Gate 3, Starfield, or Armored Core 6 is a major problem and was always one of the Switch's biggest weaknesses as a console.

Yeah, that's probably its biggest flaw holding it back from greater success.

The third party showing in yesterday's direct, barring a few standouts like that Atlus/Vanillaware strategy game, was really nothing to write home about.

True. There's plenty currently slated imo, but not a lot of good new announcements. I'd still reserve judgement until the next Direct though, if Switch 2 is not announced there and it's as light on 3rd party stuff and heavy on remasters/remakes then the writing is definitely on the wall.

 

[IDanceonTrannyGraves]

@TheDemonPimpofRazgriz

"Missing big releases like Baldur's Gate 3, Starfield, or Armored Core 6 is a major problem and was always one of the Switch's biggest weaknesses as a console."
Nah, not in the slightest. They've countered that by releasing a lot of stuff that doesn't get released on other consoles or has the perception of being the superior version because its version is uncensored.

Also, I think we're likely to see something like the Wii mini that released in Canada, but for the Switch for parents who have young kids and want to buy them a cheap gaming console.

https://www.wired.com/2012/11/wii-mini/

 

[Betonhaus]

Also, I think we're likely to see something like the Wii mini that released in Canada, but for the Switch for parents who have young kids and want to buy them a cheap gaming console.

like a PlayStation Vita TV? I think they could get such a thing down to a pretty cheap price. take out the screen and battery, swap out the Joycons for a pro controller, replace expensive components with cheaper but bulkier ones...

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Plenty of Switch games look like enhanced 3DS ports, I'm almost certain Zelda: Link's Awakening was originally planned as a 3DS game, and Pokemon Shield/Let's Go arguably look barely any better than Pokemon Colosseum did decades ago. There's better looking mobile games nowadays than plenty of Switch titles.

So I'm not really buying that tbh. They could easily shit out something like a new Pushmo or random spinoffs like Pikmin & Chibirobo got for 3DS, it's just a matter of if they want to or not.

I mean, yeah, the could just keep pushing out cheap shovelware, but those don't move many units or make a whole lot of money, nor maintain momentum for a console. Small risk, small reward. Nintendo will still need to invest in heavy hitters.

That's my point, I think we'll see a similar situation here, except "2nd pillar" instead of 3rd. They have even more incentive to pull something like that now than they did then.

I just don't see that happening. Completely different situation, and the Switch 2 will clearly be a sequel to the Switch, not just some companion console. It will be important for Nintendo to not muddy the waters here like they did in the transition to the Wii U, where many people weren't even sure that the Wii U was a new console and not just some Wii add-on. They are aren't going to push some "2nd pillar" idea with an obvious successor. The whole third pillar thing happened because the DS was not a successor to the GBA.

We don't know anything about Switch 2, let's not make too many assumptions. It might not even be called Switch anything to avoid repeating the naming fiasco of the Wii/Wii U, and who knows if it'll be sold on a gimmick they prioritize. We have to wait and see how they play their cards.

All information we have point to the Switch 2 being just that; a successor to the Switch. Nothing we've heard or that has been leaked indicates anything other than that. Now, it might not necessarily be called the Switch 2... but if Nintendo just called it that, they would easily avoid the Wii U fiasco because the "2" in the name would automatically make it clear to everyone that it was in fact a successor, so they would be wise to call it that. We do have to wait to see all this all plays out, but somethings do seem clear as far as we can tell.

They've countered that by releasing a lot of stuff that doesn't get released on other consoles or has the perception of being the superior version because its version is uncensored.

The Switch becoming the console of uncensored releases is definitely a boon, but its a niche one that only appeals to those traffic in the games most likely to get censorship.

Also, I think we're likely to see something like the Wii mini that released in Canada, but for the Switch for parents who have young kids and want to buy them a cheap gaming console.

That's kind of what the Switch Lite already is.

 

[whatever I feel like]

I don't think Dillan's Roling Western or whatever is going to be breaking the bank or stealing Switch 2's thunder,

Dillon is dead, his studio went bankrupt/got disbanded, didn't it?

edit: It was Vanpool, right? The rumor was they went bankrupt but I don't remember any official announcement.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Dillon is dead, his studio went bankrupt/got disbanded, didn't it?

edit: It was Vanpool, right? The rumor was they went bankrupt but I don't remember any official announcement.

Yeah, it was Vanpool, and they went down.