Not Just Bikes / r/fuckcars / Urbanists / New Urbanism / Car-Free / Anti-Car - People and grifters who hate personal transport, freedom, cars, roads, suburbs, and are obsessed with city planning and urban design

[Muppetstudios]

Dat bike be big into the road nigga couldn't avoid dat snoopetty doo yeah big snood

 

[Ghostse]

Pretty sure this is one of those Redditors who is literally too stupid to realize that Jason's gushing about Amsterdam isn't because the whole of Amsterdam is an "ideal" urban paradise and because Jason's rich and can live that way.

And what does he really want, anyway? Can't have a city slowly redevelop a bunch of low-density development because that's "patchwork urbanism", that's bad, can't have any developer-led urbanist developments (think these outdoor "shop/work/live/play" outdoor malls like The Domain in Austin), and attempts to relocate people into public housing projects (think Cabrini-Green Homes in Chicago) turn into slums.

These people are too retarded to realize they are tools of the construction/development industry.
When developers have to plan parking & streets into their high-density california construction hellholes, every parking space is real estate that isn't a unit. God forbid they have to take a 0.1% hit on their profits to build a parking garage. So they whip up these anticar idiots to work with the megahighrise idiots all so they can sell an additional 20 condos while 500 people are now clogging up street parking.

They actually could live in a walkable area in practically any city in the US if they wanted to

I have a car, I like having a car, and am very pro-car. But I take the train to work, bought my place because it was in proximity to a train station, and bike or walk for 90% of my groceries because its good to get a little excercise and biking isn't much slower than taking a car.

The number of people who bitch endlessly about climate change or cars or w/e nearly universally drive everywhere.

 

[WelperHelper99]

These people are too retarded to realize they are tools of the construction/development industry.
When developers have to plan parking & streets into their high-density california construction hellholes, every parking space is real estate that isn't a unit. God forbid they have to take a 0.1% hit on their profits to build a parking garage. So they whip up these anticar idiots to work with the megahighrise idiots all so they can sell an additional 20 condos while 500 people are now clogging up street parking.

Once they rallied against the megacorps, to only then become a tool of said megacorps. The irony is real enough to taste it. And it's even more ironic, because those garages DO make money in tolls. But not enough for the mega developers. If only these budding socialists could see that

 

[quaawaa]

These people are too retarded to realize they are tools of the construction/development industry.
When developers have to plan parking & streets into their high-density california construction hellholes, every parking space is real estate that isn't a unit. God forbid they have to take a 0.1% hit on their profits to build a parking garage. So they whip up these anticar idiots to work with the megahighrise idiots all so they can sell an additional 20 condos while 500 people are now clogging up street parking.

Yep, the Culdesac car-free off-campus dorm neighborhood in Phoenix bragged they saved $20k per unit by not building a parking space but they have higher rent than comparable off-campus student apartment buildings with parking. The savings from not building parking go straight to the developer's pockets, not to lower rent.

This makes perfect sense based off economics: prices are set due to supply and demand, not costs and a price below costs means the salable item doesn't get produced in the first place. Although, since most urbanists are communists who believe in the labor theory of value, it's not surprising that they also believe in the construction theory of rent.

 

[Kalsarikännit]

As for the auto industry, honestly I think it will be self sorting. Right now they're paying for decades of terribad business strategies and in general a stupidly oversaturated market with next to no margins. Too many people are selling essentially the same thing and there just isn't enough market capacity for it all. The automakers have been able to push this off by using financing to push consumers upmarket where the margins are better (which is where the real issue with car pricing lies, carmakers refuse to sell low end products because they make no money). The issue is, the market can't really sustain these prices forever, and now they are taking on a lot of pretty sketchy debt in their financing wings.

Once it implodes, companies will look to cheapen their shit up again since noone can afford it otherwise since financing will be much more difficult for subprime borrowers.

This would be true, if it weren’t for government safety and efficiency regulations.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Yep, the Culdesac car-free off-campus dorm neighborhood in Phoenix bragged they saved $20k per unit by not building a parking space but they have higher rent than comparable off-campus student apartment buildings with parking. The savings from not building parking go straight to the developer's pockets, not to lower rent.

This makes perfect sense based off economics: prices are set due to supply and demand, not costs and a price below costs means the salable item doesn't get produced in the first place. Although, since most urbanists are communists who believe in the labor theory of value, it's not surprising that they also believe in the construction theory of rent.

We've discussed this before, but some of their rhetoric revolves around "why are you paying $15 for a parking space when three parking spaces can make a $1300 cuckshed in the same space", which is a pretty bad premise if you're talking about land value. First, high land value doesn't mean shit in the things that matter. A "high land value area" may not be the wealthiest or least crime-filled or most desirable place to live. The whole way of appraisal is smoke-and-mirrors that basically relies on what the potential value of the land is, the same way a high stock value of a company doesn't always reflect the company's balance sheet or the quality of their products.

On a different level, parking lots and actual parks are very different but they essentially serve similar functions--even if they aren't on the same level of maximizing profit, they're amenities that enhance the value as a whole. A good example that I saw earlier would be a toilet. Like parking spaces, it goes unused most of the time, so just think of the four square feet or so that doesn't have to be "subsidized" for apartment construction.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

A friendly reminder, Mass Debates exists for a reason.

 

[Markass the Worst]

Reposting what @teriyakiburns posted that got moved into the Mass Debates thread:

Not directly NJB-related, but it probably does fall under the anti-car sort of thing. The UK government finally cleared all the hurdles necessary to build a tunnel past stonehenge, so that it would no longer be despoiled by a road so close to the ancient monument. Almost immediately, demands have been made to scrap the plan, supposedly becuase it might disturb some as-yet undiscovered archaeological site, but in reality because it would allow traffic to move more freely through the area.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-66843922

https://archive.ph/PhMf4

I'm sure the fuckcars people are already on it.

 

[Flaming Insignias]

Reposting what @teriyakiburns posted that got moved into the Mass Debates thread:

I can actually respect the official reasoning for opposing the plan, efforts should be made to ensure the area is free of archeological value before running an excavator through it, lest we end up with something like Richard III being found under a parking lot again. Of course, the fact that the opposition is blatantly about preventing any roads from being built pisses me off, but precautions should be made when working with such a sensitive piece of history.

 

[Walrus and Carpenter 2.0]

Yep, the Culdesac car-free off-campus dorm neighborhood in Phoenix bragged they saved $20k per unit by not building a parking space but they have higher rent than comparable off-campus student apartment buildings with parking.

"Culdesac" is the actual name of the development? Hilarious. As I'm sure most everyone here knows, "cul-de-sac" is an alternate name for "dead end" in American English, specifically a very short dead end that has multiple houses fronting on it, or the turning circle found at the end of a longer dead end. The meaning of "cul-de-sac" in French is "trap." The literal translation of the word into English is "the bottom of a bag."

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

"Culdesac" is the actual name of the development? Hilarious. As I'm sure most everyone here knows, "cul-de-sac" is an alternate name for "dead end" in American English, specifically a very short dead end that has multiple houses fronting on it, or the turning circle found at the end of a longer dead end. The meaning of "cul-de-sac" in French is "trap." The literal translation of the word into English is "the bottom of a bag."

Fun autism - Bilbo Baggins of Bag End is named that way because Tolkien hated with French words were brought into English for things we had perfectly good English words for. In a way, the entirety of the Hobbit is written because fuck cul-de-sacs.

(Baggins is what Tolkien predicted "bag end" would degrade to if used in English for awhile.)

 

[Xarpho's Return]

I can actually respect the official reasoning for opposing the plan, efforts should be made to ensure the area is free of archeological value before running an excavator through it, lest we end up with something like Richard III being found under a parking lot again. Of course, the fact that the opposition is blatantly about preventing any roads from being built pisses me off, but precautions should be made when working with such a sensitive piece of history.

Grand Parkway in Houston had some prehistoric burial sites found during construction, but despite some understandable controversy, the two main interests were the native tribes that didn't want the bones to be moved or disturbed, and the state wanted the highway to be built.

What ended up happening was almost brilliantly simple: the highway was built anyway, and the tribes got what they wanted by ensuring that no one would be fucking around with the site after a layer of concrete was poured over it.

 

[Flaming Insignias]

Grand Parkway in Houston had some prehistoric burial sites found during construction, but despite some understandable controversy, the two main interests were the native tribes that didn't want the bones to be moved or disturbed, and the state wanted the highway to be built.

What ended up happening was almost brilliantly simple: the highway was built anyway, and the tribes got what they wanted by ensuring that no one would be fucking around with the site after a layer of concrete was poured over it.

Sounds well and good, but the proposed road is a tunnel and not an above-ground highway. That could genuinely cause some trouble, but this does feel a bit like those “sacred land” claims Indians use to disrupt businesses they want to screw with.

 

[quaawaa]

Sounds well and good, but the proposed road is a tunnel and not an above-ground highway. That could genuinely cause some trouble, but this does feel a bit like those “sacred land” claims Indians use to disrupt businesses they want to screw with.

The solution is to conscript the activists and make them dig the tunnel with shovels. The road would still get built and the use of non-mechanized digging will prevent damage to any undiscovered archeological sites. I suspect the opposition would quickly disappear though...

 

[Flaming Insignias]

The solution is to conscript the activists and make them dig the tunnel with shovels. The road would still get built and the use of non-mechanized digging will prevent damage to any undiscovered archeological sites. I suspect the opposition would quickly disappear though...

I have to ask, has there been a topographical scan done of the proposed tunnel area? I feel that could make life that much easier instead of this slow-walk bullshit.

 

[WelperHelper99]

The solution is to conscript the activists and make them dig the tunnel with shovels. The road would still get built and the use of non-mechanized digging will prevent damage to any undiscovered archeological sites. I suspect the opposition would quickly disappear though...

The opposition would be too busy digging the hole instead of basketweaving communism

 

[quaawaa]

According to Euro NCAP, the Ford Ranger pickup is safer for pedestrians than many hatchbacks like the Renault Zoe:

Ford Ranger Report
Renault Zoe Report

The truck is also significantly safer for the occupants as well.

Hmmm...sounds like urbanists memes like this:

are completely made up.

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

According to Euro NCAP, the Ford Ranger pickup is safer for pedestrians than many hatchbacks like the Renault Zoe:
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Ford Ranger Report
Renault Zoe Report

The truck is also significantly safer for the occupants as well.

Hmmm...sounds like urbanists memes like this:
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are completely made up.

It doesnt really matter because theyre against ALL cars. Except of course, cargo bikes the size of cars, which take up the same amount of space, both on roads and in garages, carry the same amount of stuff (but slower), probably have an equally bad crash safety profile, speed equalized (if not worse, given the lack of a seatbelt), etc

 

[WhiskeyJack]

According to Euro NCAP, the Ford Ranger pickup is safer for pedestrians than many hatchbacks like the Renault Zoe:
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Ford Ranger Report
Renault Zoe Report

The truck is also significantly safer for the occupants as well.

Hmmm...sounds like urbanists memes like this:
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are completely made up.

That meme doesn't even make sense. If anything you'd want to be hit over as large a surface area as possible, to distribute the impact over more of the body. A hit to just the legs will break your hips, femurs, and probably lower spine, even at a slow speed, and send you flying over the vehicle to crash into the windshield and crack your skull. A hit that covers much of the torso as well as the legs will probably just throw you forward to the ground with a nasty bruise and some broken ribs, assuming it was a slow speed impact (obviously, any high speed impact is going to kill you regardless where it hits).

Plus a higher vehicle will generally have better sightlines, so fewer incidents of hitting pedestrians anyway. You'd have to go to something like a bus or semi truck to get so tall that the height starts creating significant blindspots. The biggest concern with SUVs is that they're driven by self-medicating soccer moms, not their size.

 

[Chuck McGill]

>man fuck all these cars parking on the streets, pay for your own parking chuds!
>no you aren't allowed to have a driveway on your own property, park on the street! reeeeeee!

Siding with the nanny nightmare Orwellian hellscape that is the modern UK government to own da carbrains. Just remember, these are the same people that were almost ready to burn down the country yet again for an urban youth that was literally shot trying to ram a cop. God these people have lost the plot.