Diseased Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

[Pee Cola]

...and sex pest!

Celeste, the sex pest who molests!

I feel some terrible Dr. Seuss-inspired prose coming on.

 

[D_Tractor]

One of Debian's lead developers died.

https://www.debian.org/News/2023/20230914

 

[Yandex Captcha Solver]

One of Debian's lead developers died.

https://www.debian.org/News/2023/20230914

free software champion in his home state of Kerala, India

DO NOT REDEEM SIR! DO NOT REDEEM!

 

[Average K-On Fan]

Drew DeVault's latest article directly attacking Hyprland's lead developer:

https://drewdevault.com/2023/09/17/Hyprland-toxicity.html

Hyprland's lead developer's response:

https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-hyprlandsCommunity

 

[glow]

Great link. It's great to see people pushing back against code of conducts for once, there are just too many great comments to quote them all:

I think this is pretty discriminatory towards people that prefer a close, hostile, homogeneous, exclusive, and unhealthy community.

and,

If you don't know how to behave without a wall of text explaining how to behave online then you shouldn't be online.

and,

Continuing this thread may not lead to the desired result, so I would humbly suggest that you consider other measures instead of continuing to request the adoption of a code of conduct here on hyprwm/Hyprland.

For example, one action you can take is to create a fork of Hyprland that pledges to proactively and actively offer protection for all persons, whether human or non-human, sentient or unconscious, against prejudicial, pugnacious, belligerent or pernicious acts, including but not limited to: unlawful intimidation, infliction of emotional distress, defamation, discrimination, assault and battery, sexual or aggravated harassment, abuse or exploitation, regardless of the protected classes of religion, gender, sexual orientation, race, species, national origin, culture, language, or other characteristics.

And to build a community that scrupulously adheres to the above standards, international laws, ethical principles of justice, equity, and non-violence.

In this way, you may attract more contributors who feel vulnerable in the current hyprland community and build a healthy competitive relationship with the original project.

I've always felt that it felt like a form of cultural colonialism but never really quite had the words. Maybe I want to create something for people to use, and I don't want someone not even involved to tell me what value or belief system I should have as I do it as a gift to the world, for free.

 

[UERISIMILITUDO]

Drew DeVault's latest article directly attacking Hyprland's lead developer:

https://drewdevault.com/2023/09/17/Hyprland-toxicity.html

Hyprland's lead developer's response:

https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-hyprlandsCommunity

Unfortunately, reading both articles reveals that everyone involved is pathetic.

I do not use the N-word, ever, and I was referring to his annoyed attitude, not his choice of words.

A bit higher in the post I said there was another incident on the server. The only difference is that it was towards a transphobic person this time, and that person did not go and spread the news online.

If it's really that important, a person joined, started being transphobic, and after a few messages it was clear to moderators that it was not a misunderstanding, and he was banned. He was ridiculed by the community en masse.

This actually is another argument against what Drew said, though, as it shows that the community does not like transphobic people.

 

[Rusty Metal Skull Gun]

For the most oppressed minority ever, troons certainly seem to get their own way a lot of the time.

Drew is incredibly creepy:

My advice to the leadership begins with taking a serious look in the mirror. This project needs a “come to Jesus” moment. Ask yourself what kind of community you can be proud of – can you be proud of a community that people walk away from feeling dejected and hurt? Yours is not a community that brings people joy. What are you going to do about it?

A good start will be to consider the code of conduct proposal seriously, but a change of attitude is also required. My inbox is open to any of the leaders in this project (or any other project facing similar problems) if you want to talk. I’m happy to chat with you in good faith and help you understand what’s needed and why it’s important.

And then:


Sounds an awful lot like grooming.

That said, Vaxry is incredibly autistic to think that he can get away with being based in public in Current Year. From what I gather, he's a Polish CS student at University College Dublin, so he's daft to scare off potential employers.

Vaxry, if you're reading this - bitch about troons on /g/ or here under a pseudonym. We hate them too.

 

[UERISIMILITUDO]

I found something else while going through the links:

https://web.archive.org/web/20230917015135/https://github.com/hyprwm/Hyprland/issues/3209#issuecomment-1713038309

Instead of attacking the post, could you provide some evidence against it? (e.g. say "Trans rights are human rights").

Affirm my religion, heretic.

Vaxry, if you're reading this - bitch about troons on /g/ or here under a pseudonym. We hate them too.

I see no point in hiding behind anonymity. Let me tell a story: One time, I was in an IRC channel for a certain project that interested me, and I shared some relevant work, discussed its applications to the project, and left for a few hours; when I returned, someone had read some more of my website, including the part bemoaning homosexuality in a certain respect; the short story is, I was kicked out of the channel after beratement.

The moral of the story is that tolerance is not enough for these faggots. I even told them how I tolerate homosexuals in the IRC channels I run, only to be told that wasn't good enough. I have a willingness to tolerate them, but they want acceptance and approval. There's no point hiding when one's opinions are themselves the issue.

 

[Rusty Metal Skull Gun]

I see no point in hiding behind anonymity

I'd no idea that was your real name! "To Mr. and Mrs. Similitudo, a son, Ueri..."

Anyway, it looks like Vaxry's been given the full Clockwork Orange treatment, and written a CoC: https://github.com/hyprwm/Hyprland/pull/3366/files, https://archive.ph/HcAe8

If you believe an incident of breaking our standards has occurred, but nobody has taken appropriate action, you can privately contact the people responsible for dealing with such incidents

I think that in order to rebuild trust, the conduct enforcement team should be a little bit different. To be honest, a conduct enforcement team led by two people who have a history of behavior which contravenes the new code of conduct is not going to engender trust. I think it would make sense to at least add a third person, ideally someone who better understands the needs of the communities which have been marginalized by the toxic behavior in the Hyprland spaces (e.g. ideally someone queer or a woman or both).

Oh, fuck off, Drew. Having to hand your project over to a troon is cruel and unusual punishment.

 

[Markass the Worst]

Anyway, it looks like Vaxry's been given the full Clockwork Orange treatment, and written a CoC: https://github.com/hyprwm/Hyprland/pull/3366/files, https://archive.ph/HcAe8

Oh, fuck off, Drew. Having to hand your project over to a troon is cruel and unusual punishment.

Does Drew really have enough clout that he can force a random project to add a CoCk with his blogging faggotry? I thought he was just some egotistical tech nobody.

 

[Rusty Metal Skull Gun]

Does Drew really have enough clout that he can force a random project to add a CoCk with his blogging faggotry? I thought he was just some egotistical tech nobody.

Probably just bullying some poor 19-year-old. "Do this or you'll never have a job after graduation"

 

[UERISIMILITUDO]

This is the worst thing I've seen Drew DeVault do to someone. He should go ahead and kill himself, but not before he cuts off his cock. Starting tomorrow, I'll begin work on his thread. He's earned it.

 

[greasyArchivist]

Starting tomorrow, I'll begin work on his thread. He's earned it.

Godspeed. I have never heard of this faggot till today, but seeing him harass children really makes me MATI.

The moral of the story is that tolerance is not enough for these faggots.

Exactly, and I have my own somewhat similar story. Back when I was in my early teens I watched a cake decorator YouTuber, who was an obvious faggot. I always have been Christian and understood you shouldn’t be a faggot, but I tolerated his degeneracy because he made pretty cakes and I was young. Then, for Pride Month (which was a relatively new thing), he made rainbow cupcakes. I went into the comments and said that even if I disagreed with his way of life, I enjoyed his content and wished him the best. He lashed out immediately and taught me a valuable lesson about giving people inches.

 

[Maldavius Figtree]

I see no point in hiding behind anonymity. Let me tell a story: One time, I was in an IRC channel for a certain project that interested me, and I shared some relevant work, discussed its applications to the project, and left for a few hours; when I returned, someone had read some more of my website, including the part bemoaning homosexuality in a certain respect; the short story is, I was kicked out of the channel after beratement.

??? You just gave a great example for why anonymity is important ???

 

[888Flux]

Drew DeVault's latest article directly attacking Hyprland's lead developer:

https://drewdevault.com/2023/09/17/Hyprland-toxicity.html

Hyprland's lead developer's response:

https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-hyprlandsCommunity

Lmao, how fucking dare he shitpost on the Internet

Does Drew really have enough clout that he can force a random project to add a CoCk with his blogging faggotry? I thought he was just some egotistical tech nobody.

The Bugman's Burden - continually creating problems were there ought to be none to show how virtuous they are and how morally superior they are to you. They are just such a better person because they respect the LGBTQIAPBBQ2+ community and are a transfeminist ally fighting toxicity in free software, which is something you wouldn't understand.

 

[Rusty Metal Skull Gun]

I'm fairly certain Drew is a chaser. If you look at his Mastodon feed, over half of his retweets are from tech troons. Plus he was always gushing over how stunning and brave Alyssa is, etc. I think it's the case that chasers end up trooning out themselves eventually.
His "partner" is always "they" - I don't know if this means that he's gay and embarrassed about it, or that it's some sort of gender-special. Probably the latter.

Anyway, he's taken it upon himself to launch a "Positive Masculinity" guide, to re-educate such heretics as Vaxry (https://posmasc.org/, https://archive.ph/v53m1).

Let's have a look at the Glossary (https://posmasc.org/community/glossary/, https://archive.ph/QujfO)...

Feminism: a political movement and philosophy which questions patriarchy

Well, not really - you can't have a definition of feminism that doesn't involve the word "woman". And the word "patriarchy" is only associated with later waves of feminism.

Intersectionality: ... a black trans woman will have a different experience with their identity and politics than a white trans woman.

Again, straight to the trannies.

Rape culture: the pervasiveness, normalization, and institutionalization of rape in society

Just not our society. Unless he's typing this from a mud hut somewhere.

Estrogen/“E”: female hormones used to facilitate a transition from a masculine to a feminine body (not a controlled substance).

Yes it is, otherwise you wouldn't need to see a therapist to get a prescription.

Puberty blockers: first-line medical intervention for transgender children. Delays the onset of puberty until adulthood, to prevent the permanent changes that puberty imposes on your body and increase the success rate of later gender-affirming care. Dramatically reduces the risk of suicide among transgender children. Can be safely reversed to allow puberty to proceed as normal if the patient choses not to transition.

Side effects include stunted growth, a severe drop in IQ, osteoporosis, and your tooth enamel flaking off. Certainly not reversible, and no credible medical authority is claiming so nowadays. There's no evidence that it has an effect on suicide rates.

Intersex: refers to people whose biological sex traits are not unambiguously male or female. Research estimates between 1 in 2,000 and 1 in 4,500 people are intersex, more general estimates are as high as 1.7%. Gender and sex are both on a spectrum!

No they're not, a bimodal distribution is not a spectrum. The Fausto-Sterling figure of 1.7% is horseshit.

TERF: Trans-exclusionary radical feminist. A hate movement which proclaims the values of feminism to the exclusion of transgender people.

A hate movement? All feminists were TERFs up until about 10 years ago.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Again, straight to the trannies.

Not to mention, that's pretty much the opposite of the definition of intersectionality. As the name suggests, it's meant to observe the intersection between superficially different forms of oppression, specifically how they all intersect under the common oppressive source of the fucking straight white male. Drew isn't a very good feminist.

 

[Average K-On Fan]

I've always felt that it felt like a form of cultural colonialism but never really quite had the words.

You can call it cultural marxism I suppose.

Anyway, it looks like Vaxry's been given the full Clockwork Orange treatment, and written a CoC: https://github.com/hyprwm/Hyprland/pull/3366/files, https://archive.ph/HcAe8

I would say that, at least Vaxry is smart enough to avoid literal fascistic CoC(s) like Contributor Covenant (and I do not use the word fascism lightly) and used a bog standard one that he wrote himself. Sadly, people are still pushing him to make changes for the worse.
As an example like this one from Drew himself where he seethes about restricting political discussion: https://github.com/hyprwm/Hyprland/pull/3366#discussion_r1329098421

Spoiler: Drew DeFag's comment about muh politics

>Enforcing an apolitical environment is impossible.
It is possible, if you just shut the fuck up about it you insufferable oaf.

Sadly Vaxry took his word and removed the disallow for political discussion: https://github.com/hyprwm/Hyprland/pull/3366#issuecomment-1724191388

Spoiler: Vaxry's reply to Drew DeFag

Obviously, Drew is against banning politics because his goal it to mentally take it over.

One is even outright suggesting to just use Contributor Covenant: https://github.com/hyprwm/Hyprland/pull/3366#issuecomment-1724590733

Spoiler: A random fag wanting a fascistic CoC

And now Drew is doubling down on that as well, while also demanding an apology from Vaxry, for just shitposting at the internet: https://github.com/hyprwm/Hyprland/pull/3366#issuecomment-1724926275

Spoiler: Drew DeFag's comment

These insufferable people act like a cult at this point. They will go after you until kneel to them if you do something that they don't like. FOSS community is at the absolute low at this point and it will gonna get even worse.

This is the worst thing I've seen Drew DeVault do to someone. He should go ahead and kill himself, but not before he cuts off his cock. Starting tomorrow, I'll begin work on his thread. He's earned it.

Good luck for your journey. Drew truly deserves it as he behaves as a faggot-loving tyrant at this point. These people must be physically removed from FOSS community in order to attain a saner community once again.

 

[Rusty Metal Skull Gun]

"orowith2os" isn't some random fag, but the "who/cares" troon.

I can see why Wayland has taken 15 years, if these are the sort of people involved in it.

 

[Questionable Ceviche]

This is the worst thing I've seen Drew DeVault do to someone. He should go ahead and kill himself, but not before he cuts off his cock. Starting tomorrow, I'll begin work on his thread. He's earned it.

Please do. Drew is bullying young developers with fabricated complaints so he can fellate tranny amholes. He comes up in here enough that he more than deserves his own thread, even moreso now that he's using the trans wrongthink cudgel.