Greta Gustava Martela / Kjel Anderson & Nina Chaubal / Niraj Chaubal - Stole $350k+ from Trans Lifeline, kill count of 2+ from negligence, Founders of Sisterwood/La Zorra.

[repentance]

Do we have any information on the sources of funding for TLL?

Mostly small public donations. They've received a few small grants from organisations which fund non-profits, but nothing to write home about. Greta has complained on FB about the difficulty they have obtaining grants.

I actually understand the arguments against active rescue but the research doesn't support them. If your aim is to prevent suicide, then you cannot take the stance that it is better to let someone die than to potentially expose them to unpleasant intervention.

If someone warrants active rescue, it's because they're planning to kill themselves RIGHT NOW - so whether they might be reluctant to call a crisis service in the future is a moot point. There's a matrix you can use to assess whether active rescue is warranted - which they'd fucking know if they'd bothered to do their research and use national standards.

 

[AnOminous]

Scumbags like this expect benefit of the doubt to be extended to organizations that claim to benefit marginalized populations.

That benefit of the doubt has been extended to the fucking max.

This organization is lacking.

Actually it's just a fucking scam.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

I honestly don't know about the good intentions. They started it on impulse according to them and they clearly did very little research into setting up an effective hotline. They rejected offers of help from respected, legitimate organisations. I think that initially it may have been more about ego than money but that they've since realised they can use it to fund their lifestyle without putting in any real work.

Maybe I'm being too charitable, though. It hasn't matured as an organisation in the last two years and that's a massive red flag which suggests that it remaining the Greta and Nina show is more important to them than it becoming an effective service provider.

Agree. From what I'm seeing, TLL is nothing more than a vanity project for two troons trying to create their own rat king inner circle.

 

[JU 199]

Mostly small public donations. They've received a few small grants from organisations which fund non-profits, but nothing to write home about. Greta has complained on FB about the difficulty they have obtaining grants.

That's because they either-

1) Cant absolutely prove what the money will be committed to (this is probably the reason)
2) Are too unknown to be a worth investment where more proven organisations would be a better choice.
3) Have a negative rep among the community
4) Aren't good at communicating their overall goals.

Its the very weak business plan and organisational structure thats doing them in.

Every single thing we run into with this place is just disorganized, dishonest or just dumb.

That would correlate to why nobody bigger than a small donator will invest in them. They cant prove their structure is good value for money or saves lives.

 

[repentance]

That's because they either-

1) Cant absolutely prove what the money will be committed to (this is probably the reason)
2) Are too unknown to be a worth investment where more proven organisations would be a better choice.
3) Have a negative rep among the community
4) Aren't good at communicating their overall goals.

Its the very weak business plan and organisational structure thats doing them in.


That would correlate to why nobody bigger than a small donator will invest in them. They cant prove their structure is good value for money or saves lives.

They're also not accredited. That means they're not going to be eligible for most crisis intervention grants.

 

[pickledance]

A real call center would be mandated reporters on threats of suicide. I don't care how good their intentions might be (debatable), if they won't provide the most basic service then they deserve what they get.

 

[Splendid]

Found this gem in their training FAQ document:

Q7: What if someone's being sexually assaulted?

A: We still do NOT do active rescue, and we still work from a place of empathy, harm reduction, and resourcing. Specifically, we have trans-created, trans-focused sexual trauma resources like this “Practical Tips for Working with” page from Forge-Forward.org that we have linked in our trainings and in our handbook for operators. This trans-led organization specializes specifically in sexual trauma/sexual violence against trans people -- and includes trans specialists in the legal and caregiving (social work, therapeutic support, medical) professions.

Holy shit, if you're specifically telling someone to overlook what they suspect is ongoing sexual assault, you're a fucking terrible person.

Fuck this organization.

 

[repentance]

A real call center would be mandated reporters on threats of suicide. I don't care how good their intentions might be (debatable), if they won't provide the most basic service then they deserve what they get.

It's a bit more complex than that. Plenty of people who threaten suicide are not imminently suicidal, and organisations which practice active rescue only involve external agencies when the risk is immediate. Part of the reason an organisation must deliver a minimum of 40 hours of training to volunteers in order to become accredited is because assessing risk is complex and cannot be taught in few hours or even a few sessions. Even organisations which deliver that minimum do not generally put volunteers straight onto solo calls because learning the skills to assess risk is different from applying them in a situation where your response may determine whether some lives beyond the next few minutes.

 

[pickledance]

It's a bit more complex than that. Plenty of people who threaten suicide are not imminently suicidal, and organisations which practice active rescue only involve external agencies when the risk is immediate. Part of the reason an organisation must deliver a minimum of 40 hours of training to volunteers in order to become accredited is because assessing risk is complex and cannot be taught in few hours or even a few sessions. Even organisations which deliver that minimum do not generally put volunteers straight onto solo calls because learning the skills to assess risk is different from applying them in a situation where your response may determine whether some lives beyond the next few minutes.

If they aren't training and getting accredited then they're still a shit call center.

 

[repentance]

If they aren't training and gettign accredited then they're still a shit call center.

Oh they're a shit service without question. They seem incapable of doing anything at all to do with their organisation the right way. There's no evidence that them travelling all over the country has brought them any more dollars or other resources than they would have obtained sitting on social media begging for resources all day or phoning other non-profits to ask for assistance.

 

[randomfarmer]

I wonder how much of this is actual help they provide through the Trans Life Line and how much of it is them trying to pick up trans kids at risk for future play things.

"Thank you for calling TLL, how can I help you?"
trans "I am sad, fat, ugly and think I might be trans"
"OK, but what are you wearing..."

 

[Internet War Criminal]

First level 5 I've seen

This is the third kill we have for TTL.

I'm guessing there is no way to get these jackasses audited.

Let's fake papers showing that TTL is part of the Tea Party and the IRS will be on the faster than Biden on a lone woman at a DC party

 

[Null]

I had some attention on Twitter from the bot. Someone had RT'd a status about 0 calls taken so I checked the dashboard.

It's been 2 hours since the last call was taken.

 

[Buck Bumble]

"We here at transhospital deluxe understand that some of our patients are uncomfortable around crash carts. This is why we will only resuscitate them if given a 'Transresuscitation consent form 205(M2F)' signed in triplicate and referred to by its correct pronouns."

Also, those three deaths are only the confirmed ones. We don't know how many people have tried calling in and offed themselves because nobody answered and they weren't given an alternative.

 

[Trollkastel]

There are some pretty distressing things in that powerpoint. One thing is the bit about "triggers" and how to deal if as a volunteer you get triggered during a call. Now, I'm not a mental health expert but I'm pretty sure that if you expect that you could be severely triggered (god I hate that term) by a call then you shouldn't be a volunteer operator for a lifeline. Trans people aren't really known to be mentally sound enough to not get triggered, especially since, according to the powerpoint, 90% of the volunteers have said they were suicidal in the past.

Also the fact that they wouldn't even call for active rescue for the person who was pretty obviously dead set on hanging themselves and hung up all because "muh consent" and "muh agency" is appalling. They're using those buzzwords to avoid actually helping people. A suicidal person who is in immediately in danger of killing themselves is not gonna consent to active rescue because they don't feel they need it when they really do. But no, having the cops come might be triggering.

 

[talk talk talk]

I ask about funding because in real non-profits, there are basically two types of money: operating grants and program grants.

Operating grants are the best. They are not targeted or really reported. They are the funds that pay the rent and keep the lights on. They are also the rarest. Usually when individuals donate to an NP, it is operating money. Individual donations are small, but they are also vital to a real nonprofit, because those are the funds that keep things going.

Program grants are big. They are the main source of money for non-profits. The downside is the grantors demand that the NP account for every penny of the grant and show that it was used for the specific purpose it was given. Non-profits have to report back to the grantor information like what Null has been gathering and show how funds are used to achieve results.

Grantors also want professionally done proposals from non-profits before granting funds for programs. There is an entire profession called "grant writer" that does nothing but write these proposals.

It looks like TLL has access to the sort of information foundations/agencies crave--things like numbers served and the cost per client. But, because the actual results look like they suck, TLL is not going to get that big foundation/agency money.

Starting out, a non-profit probably doesn't have the good numbers to really prove they will use foundation/agency money well. This is really where certifications come into play. A grant writer will have to massage outside research that a problem exists with the massage oil of proven methods to get those sweet foundation bucks. By refusing to follow accepted hotline practices, Greta and crew have pretty much cut themselves off from foundation seed money.

That doesn't preclude them from functioning as a non-profit--it just makes the first years really lean. But, to eventually turn this into something bigger than a sketchy vanity Patreon project, Greta and crew will have to collect data showing their method accomplishes something. Considering Null over the course of a couple days has found the data do not show any benefit from this non-profit, I can't see any of those big foundation/agency checks arriving any time soon

 

[Internet War Criminal]

So if a 14 year old calls and says they are being routinely raped they are specifically telling their operators to not call the police?

lmao they might legit be worse than nick bate at this point

 

[LD 3187]

So if a 14 year old calls and says they are being routinely raped they are specifically telling their operators to not call the police?

lmao they might legit be worse than nick bate at this point

Don't worry, no minor can tell them that if they don't take calls after all.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

I don't know how he managed to do it, but Greta is actually uglier on the inside than the outside

That's quite something

 

[Luminous Being]

This thread has turned from a fat, old, claw-handed man that likes to pretend he's a woman and showing up at Null's house while he's on the shitter to incredibly depressing and flat out dangerous.

How is it even legal to not inform authorities when you are being told that there is rape/abuse/suicide going on or about to happen? Where I'm from that's actually a criminal offense that can land you in jail.

Holy fucking shit. Someone slap me please.