Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Forget for a second the terrible storytelling and horrible acting of the Ashoka show.

Have you noticed how much homework you need to do for this show to even remotely matter to you?

For starters you need to have read the Thrawn trilogy to have any idea why he is such a big deal. Because his rebels scenes had him as just a generic smug alien bad guy villain of the week.

You need to have had seen the Prequel trilogy, And the whole of the Clone Wars animated series, The Mandalorian ( for Ashoka’s introduction). AND Filoni also just assumes you have watched the entirety of Rebels and that you already love all of the cast.

That is a big Ask. Specially Filoni’s assumption that the Rebels cast is way more beloved and popular than they really are. Do people actually care about them? I personally never cared about Erza and the others that much.. And I doubt your average casual fans even knows who they are.

Is it any wonder why normies couldn’t care less about this show? Even the MCU doesn’t give you that much work before enjoying a movie.

You're assuming this show was made for normies who haven't seen TCW/Rebels. This show is made purely as fanservice for the TCW/Rebels crowd. That's why Ahsoka is the lead character in the first place.

 

[draggs]

You're assuming this show was made for normies who haven't seen TCW/Rebels. This show is made purely as fanservice for the TCW/Rebels crowd. That's why Ahsoka is the lead character in the first place.

It's made purely as fanservice for the man who likes wolves and orange not-Twi'lek waifus

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

It's made purely as fanservice for the man who likes wolves and orange not-Twi'lek waifus

It's made by him, for his faithful flock. Folks who have watched TCW and Rebels.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Better not forward that "it's for TCW/Rebels Coomers Only" Narrative to Filoni, because he claims the exact opposite.

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Guess [Thrawn] didn’t take losing too space Aladdin very well. Bit too many comfort donuts there Grand Admiral.

I mean, imagine the crippling, suicide-inducing embarrassment of losing your most important fleet battle to some contrived fucking nonsense like a snot-nosed kid, a pack of wolves and some Space Whales.

Most of us would eat ourselves into an early grave.

Forget for a second the terrible storytelling and horrible acting of the Ashoka show.

Have you noticed how much homework you need to do for this show to even remotely matter to you?

I mean, that's pretty on-brand for Filoni's garbage. "Homework" or watch guides of some kind are always a prerequisite to paddling through his ocean of narrative tripe.

Just think about how many of the most adamant of cartoon autists within the fandom constantly recommend TCW, appraising it as "the greatest work of fiction EVAR!", while immediately adding the caveat of: "Okay, before you watch the show, please consult this mandatory watch guide to painstakingly skip and maneuver around whole episodes/seasons/an entire movie of unwatchable garbage before you can isolate your experience with cherry-picked episodes that represent the best of what this series has to offer."

Which is always the sign of a well-made show, that you have to take extra time and energy to skip whole swaths of it for it to be even remotely digestible.

 

[Aloof Pessimism]

Oh no, the stakes have never been bigger. What can our unkillable heroes possibly do against a threat of this size?! Grand Admiral Thrawn has never been so imposing before! The New Republic really has to watch out for this guy, he lost an entire fleet to five and a half rebels and space whales after failing to subjugate a worthless shithole of a planet. Now the only thing he's got to lose is his weight.

 

[Overly Serious]

Well I enjoyed this latest episode of Ahsoka. Ahsoka was barely in it and that was more of a plus than realised. It was like an oppressive feeling that you'd become so used to you no longer notice it was suddenly lifted. I quite like Sabine. The actress is likeable enough and I actually side with her over Ahsoka's willingness to sacrifice friends. We also got plenty of the Dark Jedi. They have a really believable dynamic as master and apprentice. Hati comes across as young and driven and curious. You get the feeling as Balan gets closer to his objective he's starting to open up more. And of course Ray Stevenson is great in the role. Every line is delivered with easy confidence and seriousness that most of the other cast don't come close to. When Hati asks him if he misses the Jedi and he replies: "I miss the idea of it. But not the truth," it fits so well. Dude is built as well - costume designer did a phenomenal job with his ensemble and showing off just how imposing the guy is.

At the other end of the spectrum, Thrawn has something of the Joe Biden about him. I'm probably less harsh on him than some as I don't think he's terrible in the role. But he lacks the required menace and no amount of Storm Troopers chanting his name can give him it.

I liked the damaged Star Destoyer. Nice composition in showing its size and I like how it just flies up to and over the tower to take the people standing on it into itself. Good Lucas style visuals there.

I don't get why the dynamic between Sabine and Ezra is so platonic. There were clear suggestions in Rebels of a flirtation between them. And she basically just screwed over the New Republic for his sake. But here there's no hint of romance and in the first episode the recording of him says how she's like a sister to him. The show has gone out of its way to quash any suggestion of attraction between them. (And she is literally the first non-Witch woman he has likely seen in years, fwiw). I wonder if it's an attempt to try and make Sabine and Ahsoka a thing. It feels weird, anyway.

 

[Molly White's Breast Milk]

I guess every planet is going to be some variation of wasteland to make Volume shooting easier. I miss forest and jungle planets. I'm betting we're going to have Ahsoka riding one of those skeever/wolf hybrids because I can't imagine anything that'd make Furrloni cum in his pants more than having his waifu ride his fursona.

I don't get why the dynamic between Sabine and Ezra is so platonic. There were clear suggestions in Rebels of a flirtation between them. And she basically just screwed over the New Republic for his sake. But here there's no hint of romance and in the first episode the recording of him says how she's like a sister to him. The show has gone out of its way to quash any suggestion of attraction between them. (And she is literally the first non-Witch woman he has likely seen in years, fwiw). I wonder if it's an attempt to try and make Sabine and Ahsoka a thing. It feels weird, anyway.

Modern media HATES romance of any kind, especially when it's a dude and a chick. The people who write this shit have never had a relationship that lasted more than a few months because of their various narcissistic personality disorders so they live alone with their cats and boxed wine. I doubt they'll go for the Sabine/Ahsoka scissor sisters because people will start asking questions about their age difference.

 

[draggs]

The cinematography of the Chimaera reveal was great

The cinematography of the Thrawn reveal in the docking bay was underwhelming. The camera angles, the cuts, they didn't create the impression that this is a dangerous man at all

Also the interaction, or lack thereof, between Thrawn and Titus Pullo was puzzling. As was Thrawn saying yeah Titus and his apprentice are useless to me, once they take care of Ezra for us who gives a fuck about them. I sincerely hope that's a strategic misdirection by Thrawn, as he would immediately recognize the value of having not-Nightsister Dark Jedi available to him

 

[wholetthegodsout]

I only have passing familiarity with Filoni Wars but they have to have a scene where they explain to Ezra that the emperor is dead and the rebels won the war in the next episode right? There are so many big questions that are left open in this show that I can only imagine people who know nothing about star wars are completely lost.

1. Why are thrawn and ezra stranded on the same planet but Thrawn doesn't know where ezra is? Have they been on this planet the whole time? Are there other Dathomir people on this planet?

2. What keeps Thrawn from leaving the planet? He has a starship. Doesnt he know about the space whales?

3. I get that Thrawn coming back would be a morale boost for the empire and they could all rally around him like napoleon coming back from Elba, but this concept is not explored on the show at all. It would have been nice to get a few scenes with imperial remnant fighting the NR and maybe doing some damage but getting their ass kicked to demonstrate they are still a threat but disorganized.

4. I havent been sold why this had to take place in another galaxy and not just one of the millions of uncharted planets in the unknown regions. I guess its been pretty interesting to go outside of the galaxy though.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I only have passing familiarity with Filoni Wars but they have to have a scene where they explain to Ezra that the emperor is dead and the rebels won the war in the next episode right? There are so many big questions that are left open in this show that I can only imagine people who know nothing about star wars are completely lost.

1. Why are thrawn and ezra stranded on the same planet but Thrawn doesn't know where ezra is? Have they been on this planet the whole time? Are there other Dathomir people on this planet?

2. What keeps Thrawn from leaving the planet? He has a starship. Doesnt he know about the space whales?

3. I get that Thrawn coming back would be a morale boost for the empire and they could all rally around him like napoleon coming back from Elba, but this concept is not explored on the show at all. It would have been nice to get a few scenes with imperial remnant fighting the NR and maybe doing some damage but getting their ass kicked to demonstrate they are still a threat but disorganized.

4. I havent been sold why this had to take place in another galaxy and not just one of the millions of uncharted planets in the unknown regions. I guess its been pretty interesting to go outside of the galaxy though.

This is Disney Wars; they don't know what up is.

 

[Molly White's Breast Milk]

1. Why are thrawn and ezra stranded on the same planet but Thrawn doesn't know where ezra is? Have they been on this planet the whole time? Are there other Dathomir people on this planet?

2. What keeps Thrawn from leaving the planet? He has a starship. Doesnt he know about the space whales?

3. I get that Thrawn coming back would be a morale boost for the empire and they could all rally around him like napoleon coming back from Elba, but this concept is not explored on the show at all. It would have been nice to get a few scenes with imperial remnant fighting the NR and maybe doing some damage but getting their ass kicked to demonstrate they are still a threat but disorganized.

4. I havent been sold why this had to take place in another galaxy and not just one of the millions of uncharted planets in the unknown regions. I guess its been pretty interesting to go outside of the galaxy though.

1. *read in the Critical Drinker's voice* "Don't know!"
2. Thrawn can't talk to the whales because they are not the hell his whales.

3. Everyone, NR and Imperial, are literally retarded so some diversity hire midwit admiral would easily win.
4. Sci-fi writers for the most part are retarded and don't realize that galaxies have millions and millions of star systems so they make their galaxies seem really small.

 

[The Nothingness]

More than likely, they'll face a popular uprising with Empire loyalists scattered all over the galaxy sabotaging the NR and giving whatever meager Imperial forces that reunite with Thrawn a chance to take down the NR.

Watch them include a scene where a group of loyalists attempt to seize the Senate building because the writers at Disney are anything but subtle.

 

[Miller]

1. Why are thrawn and ezra stranded on the same planet but Thrawn doesn't know where ezra is? Have they been on this planet the whole time? Are there other Dathomir people on this planet?

And after all these years, neither Thrawn nor the Nightsisters captured and killed Ezra?

2. What keeps Thrawn from leaving the planet? He has a starship. Doesnt he know about the space whales?

Sharing a hand-crafted meme:

Forget for a second the terrible storytelling and horrible acting of the Ashoka show.

Have you noticed how much homework you need to do for this show to even remotely matter to you?

For starters you need to have read the Thrawn trilogy to have any idea why he is such a big deal. Because his rebels scenes had him as just a generic smug alien bad guy villain of the week.

You need to have had seen the Prequel trilogy, And the whole of the Clone Wars animated series, The Mandalorian ( for Ashoka’s introduction). AND Filoni also just assumes you have watched the entirety of Rebels and that you already love all of the cast.

That is a big Ask. Specially Filoni’s assumption that the Rebels cast is way more beloved and popular than they really are. Do people actually care about them? I personally never cared about Erza and the others that much.. And I doubt your average casual fans even knows who they are.

Is it any wonder why normies couldn’t care less about this show? Even the MCU doesn’t give you that much work before enjoying a movie.

...and the sad thing is, this is the Disneyfied version of Heir to the Empire with all the Disney/Filoni OCs. No Luke, no Leia, no Han, and everybody pretends that this Thrawn is exactly like the one from the books.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Watch them include a scene where a group of loyalists attempt to seize the Senate building because the writers at Disney are anything but subtle.

Unironically based.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

4. Sci-fi writers for the most part are retarded and don't realize that galaxies have millions and millions of star systems so they make their galaxies seem really small.

Adding to that, the distance between galaxies is unspeakably huge. It's not like Galaxies are next to each other.

But I see Disney went all in from "Planets are countries", in an n itself requiring a degree of WSoD, outright to "Galaxies are countries".

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Watch them include a scene where a group of loyalists attempt to seize the Senate building because the writers at Disney are anything but subtle.

Ironically, that would make the New Republic unpopular as fuck. The NR is an unpopular regime if so many civilians are willing to stick their necks out for the Empire and do their work even underneath the NR's nose.

 

[Midwit]

I mean, he at most has a small fleet

He has one badly damaged ISD which somehow upgraded from an ISD-1 to an ISD-2 offscreen and a bunch of zombie stormtroopers, all you need to do is send a couple Mon Calamari cruisers at him and he's done for.

...Grand Admiral Gut, Heir to the Pregpire.

I thought we were getting Thrawn, not Zsinj.

 

[draggs]

He has one badly damaged ISD which somehow upgraded from an ISD-1 to an ISD-2 offscreen and a bunch of zombie stormtroopers, all you need to do is send a couple Mon Calamari cruisers at him and he's done for.

I thought we were getting Thrawn, not Zsinj.

I would have been so excited to get Zsinj

If this were still like 2014

Anyway they've already had scenes in Ahsoka with the NR council talking about how many positions in the NR government are filled by "ex"-Imps

It's a foregone conclusion that when Thrawn returns to the SW galaxy and announces his presence these people will launch a coup with Thrawn's puppet leader of the insurrection being a Trump expy

The impression I got of the Chimaera was not battle damage but that they've been stripping it of parts to build something for the Nightsisters

 

[Ewan McGregor]

Anyway they've already had scenes in Ahsoka with the NR council talking about how many positions in the NR government are filled by "ex"-Imps

They really should stop scavenging from real life as much as they really should stop scavenging from more successful IPs, they're just making fools of themselves.

It's not so damn difficult to do fucking Star Wars, for fuck's sake.

 

[Overly Serious]

I only have passing familiarity with Filoni Wars but they have to have a scene where they explain to Ezra that the emperor is dead and the rebels won the war in the next episode right? There are so many big questions that are left open in this show that I can only imagine people who know nothing about star wars are completely lost.

1. Why are thrawn and ezra stranded on the same planet but Thrawn doesn't know where ezra is? Have they been on this planet the whole time? Are there other Dathomir people on this planet?

Presumably Ezra slipped away. He IS a Jedi (more or less) and the planet seems relatively sparsely populated. It's not wildly out of the Star Wars norm that he could evade capture. Thrawn has limited troops to spare as he said himself. He provided Sabine the location of the last known sighting. There are certainly other Dathomir people here because Balan makes reference to them all fleeing the planet. I suspect the sarcophagi Thrawn is loading onto the ship as part of his deal contain Night Sisters due to be revived.

You kind of wonder why they need to settle on a planet in another galaxy rather than one in their own. I have a problem with this series not seeming to understand just how big a galaxy is or how far apart they are. If they'd just said somewhere in the Unknown Regions, this whole thing would be better.

2. What keeps Thrawn from leaving the planet? He has a starship. Doesnt he know about the space whales?

I don't think the Space Whales would be inclined to help and they couldn't take a Star Destroyer. But regards the first point, a Star Destroyer is unlikely to be capable of making a journey of such a distance based on them having to build that giant ring ship to do it specially for this and have such precise navigational data. It seems fairly obvious that the ring is going to be a hyperspace ring that the Star Destroyer is going to dock into to make the journey back.

Also, keep in mind that we now know the Night Sisters were communicating with his ally via Visions so he had some reason to believe that help would come rather than having to gamble with trying to get back in a damaged ship on an intergalactic distance.

3. I get that Thrawn coming back would be a morale boost for the empire and they could all rally around him like napoleon coming back from Elba, but this concept is not explored on the show at all. It would have been nice to get a few scenes with imperial remnant fighting the NR and maybe doing some damage but getting their ass kicked to demonstrate they are still a threat but disorganized.

Agreed. They haven't really earned Thrawn being this terrible personal threat. You can't rely on everyone being an EU fan.

4. I havent been sold why this had to take place in another galaxy and not just one of the millions of uncharted planets in the unknown regions. I guess its been pretty interesting to go outside of the galaxy though.

I could get that it might not work so well if it were just any old random planet in the galaxy because the Star Wars galaxy has always seemed a pretty populated place so you wouldn't get the whole "trapped in need of rescue" / "couldn't find him without special device stuff". And the bit about the Dathomir ancestors needing him and his ship also wouldn't work if it's just "a planet in the galaxy". They have visions and tech - they could get off world if it were. BUT you could accomplish this in a way without needing another galaxy by just using the Unknown Regions or Wild Space. Uncharted space without navigational maps and hyperspace lanes - this would provide all the same justifications without having to try and deal with the consequences of Star Wars suddenly being inter-galactic.