Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate Thread

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Has anyone here discussed topics like “emotional labor” and “weaponized incompetence?” I came across the ideas recently and they really struck a chord with me. I often see among mothers that they often have a job that offers similar hours, labor, and pay to their husbands’, but they take on planning, cleaning, keeping care of the kids, and generally organizing and memorizing dates and information, while the father gets to sit on his ass and do nothing. I see this among my family and many others’. Has anyone tried to have this conversation with their boyfriends or fathers about this? How did it go?
I am a male but I've had to deal with people feigning incompetence before and had some thoughts about it.

I think it's become a huge problem at home, with men pulling this with women because it's somehow become accepted in that setting. Its a shitty thing to do and sadly it will keep happening as long as the person gets away with it. Ive seen it happen many times where the woman does things because the man "doesnt know how" or "isnt good at it" and at first the woman pushes back but gets sick of trying to make him do it or decides its easier to do it herself rather than force him to do it and then re do it herself because it was halfassed.

That being said, I think it is a human problem and all people will pull this tactic if it works for them. Whether they are conciously aware of it or not their brain realizes "if i say X then i get to avoid Y". I've seen both genders pull this shit in the workplace. A male or female doesn't have to do the shitty tasks because they "aren't good at it" or "don't know how" and the boss just ends up asking the same people to perform that task because it's easier. Those people get it done and don't fuck it up. It's more effort for the boss to get the incompetent person to do it because the boss has to walk them through it and babysit them.

I've seen it countered before a few times. When the person feigns incompetence or ignorance the boss just says "oh that's okay. I'll teach you. Then you just need experience. So once I've taught you, you can get experience by being the only one that does this job until you're up to speed then it will become a shared job again". When faced with having to do it all the time instead of just some of the time it's amazing how quickly they stop being incompetent. Then when it's a shared job again and you ask them to do it they can't claim to not know or not be good at it because they were good at it when it meant not having to be the only one doing it anymore. You just have to be more stubborn than them and pretend like you're nurturing them.

I don't know how this would work with stuff at home. Maybe it would work like:
"do you mind loading the dishwasher?"
"I can but I'm not good at it"
"It's okay. You just need practice. How about you load and unload it everyday until you get the hang of it and then when you're as good at it as I am we can share the responsibility again?"

I don't know if this would work but maybe someone is willing to give it a shot and report back?

We had to do this shit in the army after it became touchy feely and we weren't allowed to call incompetent Privates retards anymore because that's bullying and also performance punishment is bad. Getting the same competent Private to do a job all the time because you knew they wouldn't fuck it up is the same as punishing them for being good at it. So if someone was bad at something (or pretending to be bad because they think theyre clever) we had to first make sure they had been taught how to properly do it. Then make them do it all the time until they were as competent as the others. Then it'd go back to which ever Private is closest when I need the job done.
 
I have a genuine question for the hate readers in this thread. Why? You literally have made like 3 or 4 women hate threads and we don't fuckin read it because why would we care what men who hate us think? Why do you care so much what we say when it isn't even about you? We're bitching mostly about our experiences, it isn't a "ALL MEN BAD" thing, it's a "THESE MEN BAD". Who the fuck cares? If it genuinely bothers you so much, you can stop reading, step away and do something proactive? Or if you feel personally attacked, why do you feel that way? Are you personally guilty of anything girls have complained about here? If no, it isn't about you. If yes, well a lot of women are feeling similarly and straight up telling you very bluntly what they don't like, something many men complain women don't do enough of.
As for guys starting stuff via shit posts, I'm sure it's very funny to you, out of context I'm sure it is, but that isn't how women work. Many of us aren't taken seriously when something bothers us, and while I'm sure some reactions are hilarious, doesn't it suck if, for example, you get harrassed by someone at work and then belittled by your boss and co workers, like I'm sure some of you do? Except you can stand up for yourself, you have the physical intimidation factor. We don't, we have to take it and it's incredibly frustrating. It's fine if you disagree or think we over react, we just want a place to vent.

damn. I wish you wouldn't have said that. It reminds me of something just as heinous.


Men are 6x more likely to abandon their wife if they find out she has cancer. That's it. That's all it takes for a man to leave you. You can be the perfect pickme tradwife and do everything right, but if you ever need care yourself, all bets are off. This is an excellent reason to never be a suck up. it's so dark. I wish it weren't true.
This frustrates me so bad.

mild power level: to an extent I get it, for example, my mother was diagnosed and died 5 months after diagnosis. I'm 100% sure my dad cheated, but I don't think it was physical, I think he was venting to a girl he liked and they just had an emotional affair. She was married too, but was married to an abusive pos. My dad loved my mom, but as a friend and as a catholic, wasn't willing to divorce. He did treat my mother very well during all this, and was by her side the entire time. I don't like what he did, but I think even my mom would have forgave him, since he now married that woman a little over a year after her death and they seem genuinely happy. They weren't in love for a very long time, but they remained friends. He wasn't the only one to do that, my mom did something similar with a friend during a pretty rough patch when they were healthy, but admited it and cut contact eith that person.

It frustrates me because cheating is always about people not being happy. My dads beliefs and want to avoid fivorce came from thinking he was failing as a partner and as a man, which I think is a surprisingly common feeling for boomers.
Neither reason is okay, but I think emotional cheating bothers me the most. If it's purely physical, the person just has no impulse control and the excitement of getting caught adds to it, it's a narcissistic rush. But emotional.... *anyone* can fall to it, and it can happen well before you realize you do it, which is why I hate it so much. I hate that I personally understand it because it isn't something that is ever okay, nor should it be, yet here I am. Does this make any sense?
 
I fucking hate it when moids try to be "unique" on dating apps
this and gym pics-- scrotes really need to fill out the damn prompts the apps give you.
I would never wish the zoomer dating experience on my worst enemies
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I fucking hate it when moids try to be "unique" on dating apps
this and gym pics-- scrotes really need to fill out the damn prompts the apps give you.
I would never wish the zoomer dating experience on my worst enemies

lol this is so funny, why the hell would a guy think we’d be impressed cos he has a dead fish? It’s like a dog proudly dumping a soggy stick or leaves at your feet. Is it some prehistoric part of their brain, thinking that we will be impressed by his ability to acquire food? Cos that is kind of understandable maybe. But where is their imagination??

If I were a guy on a dating app, I think for my pfp I’d go for me standing on a pile of lesser males I have just beaten up in your honour, whilst holding a bunch of flowers and maybe a couple of kittens, in front of the French restaurant I intend to take you to.

edit cos I messed up the pronouns - I as the guy would obv be taking you to the restaurant.
 
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I fucking hate it when moids try to be "unique" on dating apps
this and gym pics-- scrotes really need to fill out the damn prompts the apps give you.
I would never wish the zoomer dating experience on my worst enemies
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Some of those fish are pretty huge tho! I guess it works on me, I am a little bit impressed by the 7th and the last one.. wtf is that an alligator?? At least these dudes have at least one useful skill and are fit and doing things outdoors? Being on a dating app to begin with is a red flag to begin with tho. Manwhores.


If I were a guy on a dating app, I think for my pfp I’d go for me standing on a pile of lesser males I have just beaten up in your honour, whilst holding a bunch of flowers and maybe a couple of kittens, in front of the French restaurant you intend to take me to.
Now that's impressive. Men, why can't you do this?
 
This thread has taught me to be grateful I grew up with a bidet and was instructed to keep my ass clean and that piss bottles are a thing. Unless you are some sort of sniper laying low for 8 hours in a tiny lookout, why would a piss bottle ever be a thing?

If you're a guy who can't laugh at the bantz here, the problem is not the thread.

A somewhat weird question perhaps but female characters in media were brought up a few times: Would you consider Mulan a "good" empowered female character or just an example of a character with traits typically considered masculine being made female - I think there's a term for that?
(The new film sucked btw. Instead of hard training, now she's just capable because she was born with "chi")

I always enjoyed the original ballad's final 4 lines
The sound of one sigh after another,
As Mulan weaves at the doorway.

No sound of the loom and shuttle,
Only that of the girl lamenting.

Ask her of whom she thinks,
Ask her for whom she longs.

"There is no one I think of,
There is no one I long for.

Last night I saw the army notice,
The Khan is calling a great draft –

A dozen volumes of battle rolls,
Each one with my father's name.

My father has no grown-up son,
And I have no elder brother.

I'm willing to buy a horse and saddle,
To go to battle in my father's place."


She buys a fine steed at the east market;
A saddle and blanket at the west market;

A bridle at the south market;
And a long whip at the north market.

She takes leave of her parents at dawn,
To camp beside the Yellow River at dusk.

No sound of her parents hailing their girl,
Just the rumbling waters of the Yellow River.

She leaves the Yellow River at dawn,
To reach the Black Mountains by dusk.

No sound of her parents hailing their girl,
Just the cries of barbarian cavalry in the Yan hills.


Ten thousand miles she rode in war,
Crossing passes and mountains as if on a wing.

On the northern air comes the sentry's gong,
Cold light shines on her coat of steel.

The general dead after a hundred battles,
The warriors return after ten years.

They return to see the Son of Heaven,
Who sits in the Hall of Brilliance.

The rolls of merit spin a dozen times,
Rewards in the hundreds and thousands.

The Khan asks her what she desires,
"I've no need for the post of a gentleman official,

I ask for the swiftest horse,
To carry me back to my hometown."


Her parents hearing their girl returns,
Out to the suburbs to welcome her back.

Elder sister hearing her sister returns,
Adjusts her rouge by the doorway.

Little brother hearing his sister returns,
Sharpens his knife for pigs and lamb.

"I open my east chamber door,
And sit on my west chamber bed.

I take off my battle cloak,
And put on my old-time clothes.

I adjust my wispy hair at the window sill,
And apply my bisque makeup by the mirror.

I step out to see my comrades-in-arms,
They are all surprised and astounded:

'We travelled twelve years together,
Yet didn't realise Mulan was a lady!'"

The buck bounds here and there,
Whilst the doe has narrow eyes.

But when the two rabbits run side by side,
How can you tell the female from the male?
 
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Would you consider Mulan a "good" empowered female character or just an example of a character with traits typically considered masculine being made female - I think there's a term for that?
There were many women in history who have pretended to be men in order to be let into male professions or to fight for their families and countries. It's a realistic story in a historical setting. A woman pretending to be a man to go protect her family from harm has nothing to do with wanting to be a man, it has to do with wanting to do things men get to do that women were not allowed to do. Trannies making all those women "trans" in hindsight is disgusting, but to be expected from misogynistic men who don't understand the female experience whatsoever.

I haven't seen the remake, only the original. I think a lot of tomboy girls could identify with Mulan just wanting to ride her horse and have fun and not be dressed up like a doll to go get sold off to some gross old man.
 
the draft that hasn't been in effect for 50 years. Only an extremely small portion of men were drafted in Nam. Most middle class or privileged guys got out of it by enrolling in college classes or having their mommy whine to their rep when they got finished sucking her teats. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_100,000

also, am i just nuts or have you guys heard moids brag about their high suicide rate? They say some shit like "At least men can FINISH THE JOB"
Re: the draft, I do find it amusing when men brag and/or whine about it. The majority of women are anti-war, and every draft in the US has been issued by a male president and a veto proof supermajority of men in Congress. Just literally don't do a draft guys.

Additionally, I find these men generally fall into a few camps:
1) Liberal yuppies who would do anything to draft dodge if it came down to it
2) 80IQ war hawks who wouldn't even be able to pass the Marine crayon taste test
3) Conservitards who have been too fat and old for the draft for 20+ years but still suck dick and cock for the military industrial complex

Conclusively, men who the draft would never effect are the major whiners about it. Good men accept the consequences of their actions (being male).
 
ol this is so funny, why the hell would a guy think we’d be impressed cos he has a dead fish? It’s like a dog proudly dumping a soggy stick or leaves at your feet. Is it some prehistoric part of their brain, thinking that we will be impressed by his ability to acquire food? Cos that is kind of understandable maybe. But where is their imagination??
i was saying, it's gotta be some weird ass evolutionary thing
men just need to be hot and interesting (cod cosplay optional for women my age)

At least these dudes have at least one useful skill and are fit and doing things outdoors? Being on a dating app to begin with is a red flag to begin with tho. Manwhores.
they're better than the scrotes who always brag about drugs and shit on their tinder bios
 
Yes I get it too i have a lot of male interests that women aren’t interested in too. What are your spergs?
Firearms, archery, reptiles, PC gaming. The video games/books/movies I am drawn to tend to be more masculine and so does the stuff I write. I also work in a male-dominated field.

I fucking hate it when moids try to be "unique" on dating apps
this and gym pics-- scrotes really need to fill out the damn prompts the apps give you.
I would never wish the zoomer dating experience on my worst enemies
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The alligator and the hog are intriguing, but it's always been odd to me that guys use fishing or hunting pics. Most women don't care about fishing or hunting. If I was on dating apps, I wouldn't use a picture of me hunched over my nails while I paint them.

A somewhat weird question perhaps but female characters in media were brought up a few times: Would you consider Mulan a "good" empowered female character or just an example of a character with traits typically considered masculine being made female - I think there's a term for that?
(The new film sucked btw. Instead of hard training, now she's just capable because she was born with "chi")
It's a story about a woman doing what she has to so she can protect her sick father, including pretending to be a man so she can get around restrictions against her gender. idk if there's a more feminine role than self-sacrificing to keep the family together. Of course since it's a Disney movie she has a fun adventure along the way.

Masquerading as a man/hiding your femininity so you aren't treated differently (or sexually harassed) is a common woman experience. There's nothing wrong with a woman taking on masculine traits if the situation demands it (wartime) just as there is nothing wrong with a man taking on more feminine traits if needed (single father raising daughters, having to nurse a sick spouse).

I prefer Merida though.
 
The alligator and the hog are intriguing, but it's always been odd to me that guys use fishing or hunting pics. Most women don't care about fishing or hunting.
most guys only have a few types of pictures in their phones; at a party with friends, traveling, and doing a hobby. the fish pics arent cause they think fish are impressive to women, its just a picture of them doing their hobby. selfies always perform poorly because it looks like you dont have any friends or hobbies.
 
They have a hobby so I prefer these to men who just take selfies in front of a mirror.

Some ladies are really into the hunting/fishing/ redneck thing. It's probably a minority of women, but they tend to be super into those types to the exclusion of others IME.

Pro tip: Include your hunting dog if you have one. And don't assume she doesn't know how to handle a gun already. <3
A somewhat weird question perhaps
Any question that leads to interesting and insightful discussion is a good question!
I prefer Merida though.
Based.
 
Some ladies are really into the hunting/fishing/ redneck thing. It's probably a minority of women, but they tend to be super into those types to the exclusion of others IME.
Yeah, as a vegetarian I used to be really turned off by that kind of thing, but with the way the world is going I think a man who knows how to fish/garden/fix things is definitely going to be very useful and I would recommend all women to look for a guy who has skills that extend past 360 noscope headshots and speedrunning. A man who can fish and cook the fish is definitely more attractive than a guy who can't even warm up his own chicken nuggets. Men are only worth keeping around your house if they contribute positively in some way. Financially is the main one but also things like knowing how to fix things around the house, your car or I guess in modern days at least your computer.
 
I would recommend all women to look for a guy who has skills that extend past 360 noscope headshots and speedrunning.
If a man speedruns, speed run the fuck out, because that is a tranny or some other sort of mutant. At a con I went to years ago before abandoning them, I witnessed a greasy speedrunner at a gaming booth pull out his nasty stinky feet, yellow unclipped nails up on the chair, sit cross legged and proceed to mong out over the game Catherine.

Looking back, almost certainly a troon or about to be. Long unkempt hair, suspicious plush toy bag...I remember it sharply because of how disgusted I was. I need the ratio on normal speedrunner to tranny.
 
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>not being impressed by fishing pictures
women's standards really are too high...
Pretty good example of how a fishing picture may be deceptive and he has since given up on his actual real life hobby and started a crippling gambling addiction and punching holes in his mom's drywall.
 
Re: the draft, I do find it amusing when men brag and/or whine about it. The majority of women are anti-war, and every draft in the US has been issued by a male president and a veto proof supermajority of men in Congress. Just literally don't do a draft guys.

Additionally, I find these men generally fall into a few camps:
1) Liberal yuppies who would do anything to draft dodge if it came down to it
2) 80IQ war hawks who wouldn't even be able to pass the Marine crayon taste test
3) Conservitards who have been too fat and old for the draft for 20+ years but still suck dick and cock for the military industrial complex

Conclusively, men who the draft would never effect are the major whiners about it. Good men accept the consequences of their actions (being male).
Men have so little legit to complain about that the complaint-envious among them (coincidentally (sure, right) often the angriest and least rational ones - the most strident and shrill ones) have to reach hard and leech onto theoretical issues and things that will never ever touch them.

Funny how they dismiss real women’s daily, lived, and sometimes life-changing experiences with sexual assault, violence, and discrimination on the basis of/due to our sex, but throw up “the draft that never touched me” as a trump card.
 
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