Thoughts on Lolbertarianism?

[RybenZ999]

I'm talking about the "Gay couples defend their marijuana farms with machine guns" people. I vibe with their "Screw off and leave me alone" attitude, but over time they devolved into that meme where someone is standing over the gadsden snake (Like the snake is between their feet) with a caption saying "this is fine" (since they're technically not treading on them), and anyone who disagrees is actually a republican larping as a libertarian.

I think 0:53 video pretty much sums up some of my problems with lolberts

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The question I always wondered is whether they are the result of controlled opposition, or a logical endpoint of a world view where corpos can only do good if they aren't connected to the government (ignoring the fact that every modern corpo is directly tied to the government through lobbying).

 

[Mothra1988]

Everyone on 4chan was libertarian until some thinly closeted homos obsessed with their dicks came in and said freedom was bad because they were going to be Nazis for real now due to memes. Every time I hear bitching about "lolbertarianism" it's always in that vein, and I never take that person seriously.

 

[Jason Wynn]

There’s retards who think libertarianism being pro liberty means EVERYTHING should be legalized. That “everything” almost always seems to include kiddy diddling.

There’s the people who masturbate to Ayn Rand and think Objectivism is the same thing as libertarianism

There’s the left leaning libertarians who are just socialists and anarchists under a different name

There’s the right leaning libertarians who think The Once-Ler from The Lorax is someone to emulate.

There’s people who think all libertarians are is just “republicans who like weed”

There’s the edgy teenager libertarians who go full ancap because they don’t have to deal with real world consequences yet because mommy and daddy pay their way.

There’s people like me (and though I’m not fond of the term) are more South Park Republican kinds of libertarians, who just want the government to stay out of private citizens lives, adopt a simple live and let live mentality, are generally for equality and all that gay shit but loathe what the left has become ect.

Libertarianism has its fair share of morons like any other political outlook. It’s goals are probably nothing more than a pipe dream or unrealistic but gun to my head it’s the closest I come to when having to describe my political outlook

 

[Kankichi Ryotsu]

A bigger enemy than commies. Loobertarians are all for illegal immigration and degeneracy as long as they can make money with it. One cannot defend against communism by "beating them in the market of ideas". Getting into power only to do nothing is just waiting to lose. Communists are willing to use all state institutions to further their own agendas, but Loobertarians would see that as hecking authoritarianisms and therefore would gladly just let things continue as they are, then complain about communists getting into power. Not to mention they are corporate bootlickers who think they're going to inherit the business just by working hard and spouting libertarian propaganda. Terrible people. At least the left has a goal and is more unscrupulous, Loobertarians are completely self defeating and help their enemies stomp them.

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

A joke ideology that requires more idealism for it to work than communism. It’s failures have been laid bare in front of us these last several years as major corporations with market caps the size of European nations didn’t usher in libertopia but instead the hellscape we have today. I’m not one of those retards that think doubling down on failed policies brings success. I’m also not interested in hearing out any No True Libertarian droning either.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Their flawed, gay idea of politics is at best naive. There will be no cultural vacuum, there will be a dominant culture. You will worship God or you will worship trannies, or whatever the next hedonistic object of worship is.

 

[Angry Alt Right Nerd]

Ah yes, the group that opposes government intervention when it comes to healthcare, worker rights, the environment, and net neutrality, but demands the government swoop in and save them when it actually affects themselves and they get their medical operations denied for being transphobes, fired for being an antivax nutjob, and banned from twitter for having spicy opinions. It will never not be funny whenever lolbertarians get fucked over by a private company.

 

[Meat Target]

There’s retards who think libertarianism being pro liberty means EVERYTHING should be legalized. That “everything” almost always seems to include kiddy diddling.

There’s the people who masturbate to Ayn Rand and think Objectivism is the same thing as libertarianism

There’s the left leaning libertarians who are just socialists and anarchists under a different name

There’s the right leaning libertarians who think The Once-Ler from The Lorax is someone to emulate.

There’s people who think all libertarians are is just “republicans who like weed”

There’s the edgy teenager libertarians who go full ancap because they don’t have to deal with real world consequences yet because mommy and daddy pay their way.

There’s people like me (and though I’m not fond of the term) are more South Park Republican kinds of libertarians, who just want the government to stay out of private citizens lives, adopt a simple live and let live mentality, are generally for equality and all that gay shit but loathe what the left has become ect.

Libertarianism has its fair share of morons like any other political outlook. It’s goals are probably nothing more than a pipe dream or unrealistic but gun to my head it’s the closest I come to when having to describe my political outlook

The only thing libertarians hate more than being told what to do is other libertarians.

It's an ideal. It's a notion that we should not be dicks to each other, respect each other's rights and boundaries, and overall live and let live.

Sadly, the real world doesn't work that way. There needs to be set rules (the law) and a referee to enforce them (the government).

You have rights, but you also have responsibilities to not be a dickhead and violate other people's rights. Some people are too stupid, uncaring, privileged, or evil to do that unless someone forces them to. And that's why one function of government is to have a monopoly on violence.

Everyone on 4chan was libertarian until some thinly closeted homos obsessed with their dicks came in and said freedom was bad because they were going to be Nazis for real now due to memes. Every time I hear bitching about "lolbertarianism" it's always in that vein, and I never take that person seriously.

You've got it backwards. They were radicalized by SJWs barging into their spaces and trying to change their culture, when they just wanted to be left alone. Grifters like Fuentes and Milo came after that.

Inside every right-wing extremist is someone who just wanted to play video games. Believe me, I, too, just wanna grill, but that's no longer an option.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

I'm one myself and I would say Im closer too classical con than the average lolbertarian. Im similar to Dwight Frye in that I just want other people/the government to fuck off from my life and I want to pick and choose the interactions I want to have, the things I want to do.
Im not that economically literate but the only economic position I hold is the need for a controlled Ancap society. Ancapism does not work and will result in a predator prey system where the rich elite will create self sufficient economic structures to supplement their families endlessly while the poor will be forever poor as they will be robbed of the chance to become rich. That needs to be corrected to meet liberal capitalist ends where every poor has the chance to become rich and vice versa which can be done by clamping down the top and elevating the bottom.
With culture I would say that freedom and liberty is only allotted to citizens of society with the citizens practicing individual communitarianism, basically people and families being individual actors who depend on others in the local community for complete sustenance, a wild west town type society. I appreciate Nietzsche more than Rand and try to follow Zarathustra and ubermensch great man theory as a blueprint for life. It seems like a no brainer, try to exercise maximum autonomy by removing hedonism distractions and the like, optimize that autonomy in productive and objectively positive actions, pursue skill and satisfaction over materialism, minimize input and maximize output and that will benefit both society and the self eventually leading to being a "Great Man". People usually like to call it neoplanism or sigma grindset or something cringe like that. LGBTs and other biological or cultural abnormalities have the freedom to pursue self destruction/hedonism in complete privacy but should be deemed enemies of society if they are to seek power or influence on anything other than skill, if they are deemed enemies of society generally should be vetted and either excommunicated or terminated. Also I operate on the assumption that individuals are always more competent, capable and likely to get things done than groups of people who always descend into agendas corruption and infighting, this is predicated on something similar to brownian motion IMO, do with that info what you will.
Modern lolberts are retards, I dont like modern lolberts, the hermit lone wolf kind of lolbert seems more appealing and useful than the cringe corpo supporting tranny cock sucking lolberts of today.
Also the ideas of political parties and groups of people is gay, political parties exist on manufactured consent and manufactured problems. Its better to just teach people to solve their problems and give them the power to do so.

Their flawed, gay idea of politics is at best naive. There will be no cultural vacuum, there will be a dominant culture. You will worship God or you will worship trannies, or whatever the next hedonistic object of worship is.

"God is dead, man must evolve and deal with the nature of his short miserable existence or be destroyed" Sorry couldnt help it.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

God is dead, man must evolve and deal with the nature of his short miserable existence or be destroyed.

There's either objective morality (God) or subjective morality (the whims of man). Even if I was an Atheist I'd prop up the church because I want a moral society which cannot exist without objective morality, it leads to the best society.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

There's either objective morality (God) or subjective morality (the whims of man). Even if I was an Atheist I'd prop up the church because I want a moral society which cannot exist without objective morality, it leads to the best society.

Objective morality can exist without the justifications of religion. Thats one of the biggest discoveries I think of the enlightenment, the fact that religion was a vehicle to enforce objective morality on the masses because the masses needed a post hoc justification to explain objective morality to them. Objective morality is just a black and white good/evil scale for all possible actions independent of things like outcome and ideology, with enough self realization and responsibility of a person it can exist in the absence of religion. So the objective is to cultivate people who are rational, responsible and self aware so they can follow objective morality without following religion. You can do good because its good and provides good outcomes instead of "if you do good you are following the path of Christ" or something. People will always demand materialistic evidence to prove objective morality and nothing can prove that, not even religion so its best to just treat those kind of people as subversives or retards. Thats also one of the things I think Nietzsche and to a lesser extent Rand was trying to show to the world, the fact that you dont need a religious framework to practice objective morality.

 

[Johan Schmidt]

The current state of the world is basically libertarian. The government is a whore for global business interests, and they will happily and aggressively enforce their monopoly, by exercising all the massive, scrooge McDuck style piles of cash they have. The literal money printers are owned by people other than the government. Clown world is the end point of libertarianism.

 

[BikeLock]

The biggest issue with the lolberts is that for some reason they don't want to kick the anarchist retards out of their party, most of which are the ones who tend to hold the most extreme views.
A very large portion of them don't want "less government" so much as "no government", and erroneously believe that they would be left alone to their own devices without a government.

Yeah, I don't want there to be no government so that our "nation" is just a loose conglomerate of tribes who would probably be at war 24/7 with each other whenever they bumped into each other's "territory", having to go to war with the town over because they won't allow access to a water source or something similar.

 

[The Foxtrot]

Lolbertarianism is a complete meme-tier ideology just like Maoism, it is completely unsustainable in the real world.

Clown world is the end point of libertarianism.

Precisely because the entire basis of the ideology is "Let people do what they want chud [as long as I can profit from it!]". If a lolbertarian believed they could profit from digging up dead bodies and legalizing/monetizing necrophilia, they would do so in a second. If anything, I would dare say lolbertarians prove Marx, Engels, and Lenin correct when it comes to Capitalism seeking endless profit at the expense of everything else being the source of society's ills.

 

[RybenZ999]

"Let people do what they want chud [as long as I can profit from it!]". If a lolbertarian believed they could profit from digging up dead bodies and legalizing/monetizing necrophilia, they would do so in a second.

Yeah this is why I initially vibed with the whole "Do whatever you want" vibe libertarianism but understand that it's pretty much what landed us in clown world. I imagine if I were in this situation, I'd have an internal conflict. One part says "Don't do this, this is messed up and anti-ethical to basic societal values" and the other libertarian part says "Hey they're dead anyways. Why not make some green off it"

 

[WickyWickyWoW]

Everyone on 4chan was libertarian until some thinly closeted homos obsessed with their dicks came in and said freedom was bad because they were going to be Nazis for real now due to memes. Every time I hear bitching about "lolbertarianism" it's always in that vein, and I never take that person seriously.

I think what killed 4chan libertarianism was a combination of the 2016 political messes & elections, the subsequent start of the censorship engine post 2016 by FAGMAN and friends where the corporations they imagined would be neutral became hostile. The ron paul ideals died around that time too, take a look at stefan molyneux who was once a huge name in rightwingland and now is utterly obscure and irrelevant. Hell nowadays the existence and actions of larry fink & blackrock is enough to stomp any argument for economic libertarianism into the ground. Libertarianism didnt have the answers to the problems that were becoming relevant and found its own ideals twisted against itself, atleast for right wing libertarianism. Anarchism and such were always nightmarishly retarded

 

[Mothra1988]

I think what killed 4chan libertarianism was a combination of the 2016 political messes & elections, the subsequent start of the censorship engine post 2016 by FAGMAN and friends where the corporations they imagined would be neutral became hostile. The ron paul ideals died around that time too, take a look at stefan molyneux who was once a huge name in rightwingland and now is utterly obscure and irrelevant. Hell nowadays the existence and actions of larry fink & blackrock is enough to stomp any argument for economic libertarianism into the ground. Libertarianism didnt have the answers to the problems that were becoming relevant and found its own ideals twisted against itself, atleast for right wing libertarianism. Anarchism and such were always nightmarishly retarded

It was an influx of stormfags well before the 2016 election that did it, the same retards still shitting things up here, although they are slowly moving away from identifying as Nazis out right I noticed.

Also no one is a fucking strict 100 percent ideological libertarian. That's a strawman argument. I agree that corporations are a problem and some elements of economic libertarianism are weaker than others, but that's just a smoke screen for retards who want big daddy government to boss everyone around with their autistic rules instead of some Twitter troon's. It's not hard to see that libertarian values regarding telling the government to fuck off and stop messing with people have great value. Trying to pretend other wise is completely disingenuous.

 

[frozen_runner]

Libertarians, at their best, think about the long-term ramifications of using government power to deal with problems. It's not that companies abusing people is good, it's that empowering the government to help you deal with the abusive companies (who they are currently fascistically colluding with) is going to result in worse things down the line. But nobody wants to think long term.

Libertarians, at their worst (reason.com is really bad about this kind of thing), extrapolate their ideals to come to retarded conclusions. Example: "we believe in freedom of association, so we should have open borders if we're being philosophically consistent and honest."

This is why I'm a small-"l" libertarian and not a card-carrying member of the Libertarian party. Libertarianism is a general philosophy, not a formal political party. Leftists can be libertarians, though it's a little strange since they reflexively worship the state and centralisation of power.

 

[Johan Schmidt]

It was an influx of stormfags well before the 2016 election that did it, the same retards still shitting things up here, although they are slowly moving away from identifying as Nazis out right I noticed.

Because they were always shit Nazis as well lol. Have you tried talking to any modern 'Nazi', 99% of them don't even understand what national socialism even is. It's how we got the utterly retarded take of 'China is National Socialist!'. Hell, if they did read any national socialist literature, they'd probably go 'Wow, this is very dated, and seems very focused around the issues of the time'.

As for the 'no one is 100% libertarian' sure, but then 'Government overreach can be very negative' is also not just a libertarian talking point. At what point does libertarianism become so very diluted that the values are essentially just milquetoast liberalism?