Thoughts on Lolbertarianism?

[The Ugly One]

I think what killed 4chan libertarianism was a combination of the 2016 political messes & elections, the subsequent start of the censorship engine post 2016 by FAGMAN and friends where the corporations they imagined would be neutral became hostile. The ron paul ideals died around that time too, take a look at stefan molyneux who was once a huge name in rightwingland and now is utterly obscure and irrelevant. Hell nowadays the existence and actions of larry fink & blackrock is enough to stomp any argument for economic libertarianism into the ground. Libertarianism didnt have the answers to the problems that were becoming relevant and found its own ideals twisted against itself, atleast for right wing libertarianism. Anarchism and such were always nightmarishly retarded

Another thing that killed libertarianism is the observation that when you remove legal sanctions on harmful behavior, a political consensus rapidly grows for public support of the behavior. If we had a red-in-tooth-and-claw libertarian world, where no government rides to your rescue when you fuck up your life beyond the point when anyone will voluntarily help you, fags would die of AIDS, and women would depend on their husbands for material support. But the equality language that led to the creation of gay rights and women's rights also led to a moral and political consensus that the government should intervene to create equality should nature fail to deliver.

This is why I went from pro-legalization to anti-legalization on drugs. I don't want the state to nurse degenerate addicts and cradle them in public housing. I want addicts to die in the street during cold winters and to perish from filthy diseases the rest of the year. The only way to not be saddled with the cost of feeding, clothing, and housing addicts is to ensure that drug use never gets normalized, and the easiest way to do that is to keep it criminal.

 

[WickyWickyWoW]

It was an influx of stormfags well before the 2016 election that did it, the same retards still shitting things up here, although they are slowly moving away from identifying as Nazis out right I noticed.

Also no one is a fucking strict 100 percent ideological libertarian. That's a strawman argument. I agree that corporations are a problem and some elements of economic libertarianism are weaker than others, but that's just a smoke screen for retards who want big daddy government to boss everyone around with their autistic rules instead of some Twitter troon's. It's not hard to see that libertarian values regarding telling the government to fuck off and stop messing with people have great value. Trying to pretend other wise is completely disingenuous.

I always thought the stormfags and neonazis were there because A: the pure anonymity of the chans B: you can say whatever it is you desire on the chans C: the willingness for the common channist to question or ignore social taboos. They happened to surf the wave of political shift of the mid 10s. Id honestly say the shift away from nazism is probably what @Johan Schmidt said as they probably realized they could engage in their racialist stuff without needing the ideals, views, and aesthetic of the german Charlie Chaplin fanclub. That and being associated with nazism is the worst thing for political optics
As for libertarianism I find it funny that the ideals of total liberty and anti-collectivism is so utterly fragmented ideologically you cant possible put it into a single camp.

 

[Mothra1988]

I always thought the stormfags and neonazis were there because A: the pure anonymity of the chans B: you can say whatever it is you desire on the chans C: the willingness for the common channist to question or ignore social taboos. They happened to surf the wave of political shift of the mid 10s. Id honestly say the shift away from nazism is probably what @Johan Schmidt said as they probably realized they could engage in their racialist stuff without needing the ideals, views, and aesthetic of the german Charlie Chaplin fanclub. That and being associated with nazism is the worst thing for political optics
As for libertarianism I find it funny that the ideals of total liberty and anti-collectivism is so utterly fragmented ideologically you cant possible put it into a single camp.

There was a literal stormfag exodus into 4chan /pol/ some time before GamerGate. Someone else might know the specific details better. Some of the more insane ones ended up migrating to 8chan /pol/ later and then actually took part in mass shootings and got entangled in obvious glowie operations. Pure cancer worse than the SJWs their selves, and then when the shooters were doxed they all looked like puny weaklings with inferiority complexes.

I see their influence waning. One retard here who was citing white power Varg shit about how white people should be vikings suddenly started talking about gnostic Christianity stuff like the "demiurge" that propagated on /x/ and stuff and a few others literally became obnoxious internet tradcaths like Nick's catboy crew. Hilariously, they are slowly moving back to Christianity and away from the 1930's neo-pagan garbage they were infatuated with.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

It's not hard to see that libertarian values regarding telling the government to fuck off and stop messing with people have great value.

It's never happened and never will, and even if you got your cucked government you so desire then degenerates would just do whatever they want like they are now but without the backing of the government.

What an improvement, huh? Instead of Biden throwing a drag queen party at the White House for groomers they'd just have to stick to libraries and such. Groomers btfo, right?

I know you're biased because you're a lesbian even if you're not particularly fond of trannies, so it's pointless trying to appeal to your sense of morality, but still.

Pure cancer worse than the SJWs their selves

 

[RybenZ999]

I think what killed 4chan libertarianism was a combination of the 2016 political messes & elections, the subsequent start of the censorship engine post 2016 by FAGMAN and friends where the corporations they imagined would be neutral became hostile. The ron paul ideals died around that time too, take a look at stefan molyneux who was once a huge name in rightwingland and now is utterly obscure and irrelevant. Hell nowadays the existence and actions of larry fink & blackrock is enough to stomp any argument for economic libertarianism into the ground. Libertarianism didnt have the answers to the problems that were becoming relevant and found its own ideals twisted against itself, atleast for right wing libertarianism. Anarchism and such were always nightmarishly retarded

Speaking of Ron Paul, the man was unironically /pol/ before /pol/. Look up "Ron Paul newsletters"
"Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal"
"Rename New York City to "Welfaria," "Zooville," "Rapetown," "Dirtburg," or "Lazyopolis."
"I miss the closet. Homosexuals, not to speak of the rest of society, were far better off when social pressure forced them to hide their activities."
"Boy, it sure burns me to have a national holiday for that pro-communist philanderer, Martin Luther King. I voted against this outrage time and time again as a Congressman. What an infamy that Ronald Reagan approved it! We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day"
"Even in my little town of Lake Jackson, Texas, I've urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self defense... for the animals are coming."

Also, he posted this in 2018.

 

[Mothra1988]

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The context of that commnet you removed was me was talking about 8chan /pol/ posters who literally shot up innocent people. Do you support that or something, you angry sperg?

 

[WitchfyndeGeneral]

They have seriously fallen from grace.
The ”Let people enjoy things” ideology has directly led us to utter degenerates using big corporations to censor and banish people who call out their stupidity.
Libertarians aren’t good at fighting communism because they only see communism at a economic level. There is a reason why they aren’t growing even when governments became tyrannical during covid lockdown, masks, and vaccine mandates.
Decriminalizing drug policies without any plans for sending junkies to rehabilitation instead of jail has led to places like Philadelphia being full of drug and aids ridden needles.
Being loose on crime has resulted in places like San Francisco having business close because looting and carjackings are commonplace.
Giving corporations more freedom has resulted in big tech companies becoming Wechat/Weibo-tier Orwellian totalitarians when it comes to censorship. Literally, big tech(although done by Democrat pressure) companies played a role in suppressing and deplatforming dissenting views of people they don’t like.
Now, the result of defunding/abolishing police will allow all these hoodrats to roam free and kill anyone they don’t like. and will allow Mexican Cartels to hold hostage entire neighborhoods.

To sum up all three, decriminalizing hard drugs(I‘m not talking about weed, which is a different story), loose on crime(specifically on violent crimes, not shit like pirating music), free roaming private companies, and “abolishing the police” are all lolbertarian values.

All these ideas are the reason why I am no longer a full on libertarian. To explain it here is the story:
I kinda started to see the cracks in 2018 when I realized how much power Big Tech has on humanity.
Although the government response to the covid scamdemic did suck me back into libertarianism it was only in 2022 that my ancestral country El Salvador started cracking down on violent street gangs, and the crackdown on gangs has resulted in a massive drop in crime to the point where it’s literally the safest in Latin America made me reconsider identifying as a libertarian.

Since around late 2022-2023, I’ve been ideologically nomadic, but I lean somewhat close to Syaoranism as I believe Communism, Anarchism, Corporatism, Lolbertarianism, Atheism, Neoliberalism, Neoconservatism, Moral Conservatism, Nazism, Traditionalism, Socialism and Fascism have all been tried in the last 100 years and failed and are beyond finished. Seriously, I’m ideologically nomadic apart from the stance that communism is the most devastating ideology and that all forms of it must be defeated.
Despite all this, Libertarianism though to me is the least retarded of the 12 ideologies that I don’t like, however, if anyone here can propose new ideas or share me a pre-existing ideology that is superior to Libertarianism, please do so.

 

[The Ugly One]

It's never happened and never will, and even if you got your cucked government you so desire then degenerates would just do whatever they want like they are now but without the backing of the government.

Libertarianism is extremely unpopular, yet libertarians somehow convince themselves that their ideas are actually super popular, it's just that nobody votes for them for some mysterious reason.

Giving corporations more freedom has resulted in big tech companies becoming Wechat/Weibo-tier Orwellian totalitarians when it comes to censorship.

Ultimately, what turned conservatives against libertarians was realizing that they're perfectly okay with totalitarian rule as long as our masters are making profits.

Despite all this, Libertarianism though to me is the least retarded of the 12 ideologies that I don’t like, however, if anyone here can propose new ideas or share me a pre-existing ideology that is superior to Libertarianism, please do so.

Abstract political ideology is kind of retarded.

 

[Meat Target]

It's not hard to see that libertarian values regarding telling the government to fuck off and stop messing with people have great value. Trying to pretend other wise is completely disingenuous.

Except now, the gubbmint just outsources its dirty work to private companies, including giving Big Tech marching orders for censorship (the controversy in the ongoing case of Missouri v. Biden), and the Feds purchasing data from data brokers to sidestep the need for search warrants.

Like others have said, lolbergs are too up their own buttholes about how great and moral their "principles" are that they will let themselves be plundered, cucked, and stomped into oblivion because "muh NAP".



Leftists, liberals, etc. have no consideration for your rights. Invoking them before them is putting pearls before swine. They will use any means necessary to undermine your rights.

Private companies doing the dirty work is arguably worse than if the government were doing it. If the government violates your rights, you have recourse in court. A private entity can do whatever the hell it wants, especially if it's part of an oligopoly.

It is not enough to say, "Don't Tread On Me". If you don't want to be tread on, then you have to tread on those who would gleefully tread on you. Give shitlibs an inch, they'll take a mule. Don't give them equitable consideration; they will ALWAYS try to use your virtues to handcuff you and stab you in the back.

This "live and let live" is cumbayah bullshit. Give it up. The best you can hope for is to commandeer the government with people friendly to your own interests.

 

[Mothra1988]

Libertarianism is extremely unpopular, yet libertarians somehow convince themselves that their ideas are actually super popular, it's just that nobody votes for them for some mysterious reason.


Ultimately, what turned conservatives against libertarians was realizing that they're perfectly okay with totalitarian rule as long as our masters are making profits.


Abstract political ideology is kind of retarded.

The Republican base still has a large libertarian component. The fact you have to pretend like you can't adopt things from certain ideologies and make it part of a cohesive whole with things from elsewhere is ridiculous. Things like gun rights and free exercise of religion would be under fire for sure if the libertarians were removed form the courts.

It is not enough to say, "Don't Tread On Me". If you don't want to be tread on, then you have to tread on those who would gleefully tread on you.

This "live and let live" is cumbayah bullshit. Give it up. The best you can hope for is to commandeer the government with people friendly to your own interests.

Yes, you're an extremist nanny-stater retard. We get it. Good luck at "commandeering the government." I'm sure that fanfanction will actually happen and will be better than having freedom not matter what the administration is.

 

[WitchfyndeGeneral]

it's just that nobody votes for them for some mysterious reason

Maybe because it has been tried by Democrats and failed miserably.

Now, that explain most people today who are trying to fight the current establishment all call themselves “Anti-Woke”, “Anti-communist” or for a fancy term “anti-hegel”..

Libertarians somehow convince themselves that their ideas are actually super popular

Heck, even the anti-wef and anti-15 minute city people don’t identify as such. As much as James Lindsay loves dunking on the radical environmentalists, wokes, ccp, the gender ideology, trads, alt-right, technocrats and literal commies, he has dunked on Libertarians early on for holding the exact same views as the woke left.

Leftists, liberals, etc. have no consideration for your rights

Precisely why I hate the idea of co-existance. You can’t coexist with evil. You have to defeat them and expose their abhorrent ideas and make sure that these pequẽño rata doesn’t try to rise and take over America again.

Another reason I forgot to mention why I no longer identify as Libertarianism is that I’m a strong believer of death penalty for the worst scum on earth. Most libertarians don’t believe in it because of their “nap” nonsense but I believe that all those harden criminals who inflict trauma onto people via their killing, stealing or rape deserve to die in the most gruesome deaths.

The Republican base still has a large libertarian component. The fact you have to pretend like you can't adopt things from certain ideologies and make it part of a cohesive whole with things from elsewhere is ridiculous. Things like gun rights and free exercise of religion would be under fire for sure if the libertarians were removed form the courts.

Well, it does. And although I no longer identify as a Libertarian, I do hold libertarian values, like freedom of speech to share dissenting opinions and have the ability to defend yourself against literally communist/criminal scumbags, I also am against the lockdown, mask and vaccines, and I think mass survallience, all this TSA bullcrap and the CRT indoctrination has to stop.

Abstract political ideology is kind of retarded.

No it isn’t when you consider the fact that the current system since the BLM race riots and the scamdemic reveal itself to be retarded along with the fact all other existing alternatives are retarded too.

 

[The Ugly One]

The Republican base still has a large libertarian component.

Not really. The odd libertarian mix of social liberalism, fiscal conservatism, open borders, and unrestrained corporatism is extremely unpopular, even in the GOP.

The fact you have to pretend like you can't adopt things from certain ideologies and make it part of a cohesive whole with things from elsewhere is ridiculous. Things like gun rights and free exercise of religion would be under fire for sure if the libertarians were removed form the courts.

LOL, yeah, libertarians are literally the only people in America who believe in the 1A and 2A. You're the only people standing in the breach. That doesn't sound like delusion of grandeur at all.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

The context of that commnet you removed was me was talking about 8chan /pol/ posters who literally shot up innocent people. Do you support that or something, you angry sperg?

I don't know the details, but if they shot at innocent people then absolutely not. The only time the death of innocents must unfortunately be permitted is as collateral damage in war, and even then it's best to minimize casualties where realistically possible, but sometimes you just gotta drop nukes. The Japanese surrendered fast after that, potentially saving more lives on both sides in the long run.

Generally violence is only a last resort for self-defense, but not only immediate self-defense from physical danger, but also long-term self-defense of your quality of life. The Founding Fathers had no problem liberating themselves and killing everyone they had to in order to be free rather than be oppressed--that's also a form of self-defense.

 

[Meat Target]

We can't use gubbmint against shitlibs cuz dat's mean and stuff! Muh prinsipulls!

You still live in this dreamworld where if you just play by the rules, malignant shitlibs obsessed with power will magically do the same.

If you are at war and the enemy shoots at you, do you shoot back, with what you have, or do you bitch and moan about how unfair it is that they're shooting at you?

"Imagine If Things Were Reversed" will be the inscription on your tombstone.

Some people will not leave you alone until they are completely and utterly crushed and subjugated. It's not nice, it's not pleasant, but it's the world we live in.

There are some people who are nothing but cruel, merciless, sociopathic bags of shit, and they need to be put in their place: a cage or a grave. Meanwhilr, you lolbergs enable them, in the name of "gubbmint bad!"

 

[Mothra1988]

Not really. The odd libertarian mix of social liberalism, fiscal conservatism, and unrestrained corporatism is extremely unpopular, even in the GOP.

The libertarian component fueled the Tea Party that brought the GOP base to where it is now. It evolved along the way into Trumpism, adopting Trump's protectionist instincts, but it's still there in some form especially with Trump's foreign policy. You're not being honest. Also you're using "corportaism" as some kind of a strawman argument like libertarians are all fatcat bankers or some shit. What's your opinion on IP rights? Because a lot of libertarians think that copyright should not exist. Is that something corporations are for? There may be some libertarians for copyright, but then that shows it's not all one thing like you're saying.

LOL, yeah, libertarians are literally the only people in America who believe in the 1A and 2A. You're the only people standing in the breach. That doesn't sound like delusion of grandeur at all.

They are in the courts. Imagine thinking any of the SCOTUS or even lower court wins wold have came without libertarain leaning judges.

 

[Mothra1988]

You still live in this dreamworld where if you just play by the rules, malignant shitlibs obsessed with power will magically do the same.

If you are at war and the enemy shoots at you, do you shoot back, with what you have, or do you bitch and moan about how unfair it is that they're shooting at you?

"Imagine If Things Were Reversed" will be the inscription on your tombstone.

Some people will not leave you alone until they are completely and utterly crushed and subjugated. It's not nice, it's not pleasant, but it's the world we live in.

There are some people who are nothing but cruel, merciless, sociopathic bags of shit, and they need to be put in their place: a cage or a grave.

What you want to do is get under the government's boot to get stomped on with the expectation that you'll be wearing the boot next time. Nah, you borderline fed-posting retard. It ain't happening.

 

[Meat Target]

What you want to do is get under the government's boot to get stomped on with the expectation that you'll be wearing the boot next time. Nah, you borderline fed-posting retard. It ain't happening.

All of our nightmares of a boot stomping on a human face are coming true under Clown Capitalism.

What is the function of Big Business anymore, but to be the untouchable mercenaries of the government? They are taking orders from the government, implementing censorship and thuggery beyond the NKVD's wildest wet dreams.

You have no way of invoking your constitutional rights against a private entity. So why not break them up via antitrust? Oh, right. Because GUBVMINT BAD REEEEEEEE!

You are afraid of using the force of law against people who already have no qualms about using it against you. Why? So you can jerk yourself off to "MUH PRINCIPULLS!?"

 

[Mothra1988]

All of our nightmares of a boot stomping on a human face are coming true under Clown Capitalism.

What is the function of Big Business anymore, but to be the untouchable mercenaries of the government? They are taking orders from the government, implementing censorship and thuggery beyond the NKVD's wildest wet dreams.

You have no way of invoking your constitutional rights against a private entity. So why not break them up via antitrust? Oh, right. Because GUBVMINT BAD REEEEEEEE!

You are afraid of using the force of law against people who already have no qualms about using it against you. Why? So you can jerk yourself off to "MUH PRINCIPULLS!?"

So your strategy for stopping the evil government from using big business as an intermediary to attack people is to strengthen the government's ability to do it out right itself without an intermediary? Yeah, that's not insane or anything.

 

[RybenZ999]

The odd libertarian mix of social liberalism, fiscal conservatism, open borders, and unrestrained corporatism

Isn't that liteerally just neoliberalism? Which is the CURRENT dominant ideology? kind of what turned me off from libertarianism in the first place. Actual libertarianism isn't applicable in real life, so they advocate for a watered down version, which is essentially neoliberalism.

 

[Johan Schmidt]

Actual libertarianism is what we have now. The full, balls to wall interests of libertarianism is what we're being rawdogged by. You don't get to pretend it isn't, because you're not at the top of the arcology. Hell, even as early as 2001, it was what we were being rawdogged by. Both the left and right in America are quite literally prostitutes for corporate interests. It's not 'the government uses corporations.' It's 'The moneyed elites use power.' Because there is no functional difference between government and moneyed interests. These people move from one role, to the other with extreme ease, and treat both roles as the same thing.

Libertarianism won, and it's awful. Just as anyone who isn't a bumbling retard predicted when they looked at libertarian ideology and didn't go "Yeah, so 99% of this is fucking retarded." Because libertarianism is the ideology of people that think "Why do we even have laws against scams, I'd never fall for them!"

EDIT: Because again, what principles does libertarianism actually hold to? What is there to be found in libertarianism that cannot be found elsewhere, without also subscribing to a plethora of asinine positions, such as 'Lol, why does the function of the society I live in affect me?' Small government and the right of man to choose his own way? Sure, I choose to royally fuck up your day, and spend my money to make sure you can't stop me. The issue of libertarians, is that they all seem to think that they will be the winner. It's like chronic lottery players.