Writer's Guild Strike of 2023 - Fuck these people

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What is worse?

  • A consoomer, who produces nothing, devours everything, and will threaten you if you dare disturb the

    Votes: 87 15.3%
  • The one who's work is to forever feed the consoomer?

    Votes: 25 4.4%
  • Feed them all to feral pigs

    Votes: 456 80.3%

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    568
If they did that then after the strike the union will refuse to work with any studio that hired scabs.
Strictly as a business maneuver, I fail to see the problem with hiring scabs for this kind on industry. Actors are very replaceable people, even their voices. Writers, ChatGPT aside, would be sending their unsolicited scripts if studios allowed for it. What the studios provide is initial funding and business-minded producers to keep a crew willing to finish a project on time, so I don't see why studios don't make a bunch of low-cost videos like what Weinstein did with Kevin Smith. The Unions can blacklist them all they like, but it's the studio's opinion that actually matters when it comes to making Hollywood movies.
 
It used to be that distributors and even theater chains would hop on the bandwagon to fuck youbover if you blatantly used scab labor (I mean they even caused issues for shit like Coen brothers movies because they wanted shared writing/directing credits and only one was in each union or some bullshit like that). But I highly suspect that the logistics and system is so fucked, and theaters are so starved for businesss and so far removed from "the system" now that it would have literally no effect on a studio that used scab labor.

I mean sure they'd get really angry articles written about them, and there'd probably be some social media picket bullshit, but that's already happening anyway and clearly no one gives a shit.

I also can almost guarantee that union labor would come back to a scabbed studio the second work was offered.

The only real problem would be if other, actually important unions (i.e. not the "creative" bullshitlike SAG/DGA), walked in solidarity with the writers, but I just don't see that happening in this economy. And you'd get warnings and actual negotiations to prevent that anyway.
 

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It used to be that distributors and even theater chains would hop on the bandwagon to fuck youbover if you blatantly used scab labor (I mean they even caused issues for shit like Coen brothers movies because they wanted shared writing/directing credits and only one was in each union or some bullshit like that). But I highly suspect that the logistics and system is so fucked, and theaters are so starved for businesss and so far removed from "the system" now that it would have literally no effect on a studio that used scab labor.

I mean sure they'd get really angry articles written about them, and there'd probably be some social media picket bullshit, but that's already happening anyway and clearly no one gives a shit.

I also can almost guarantee that union labor would come back to a scabbed studio the second work was offered.

The only real problem would be if other, actually important unions (i.e. not the "creative" bullshitlike SAG/DGA), walked in solidarity with the writers, but I just don't see that happening in this economy. And you'd get warnings and actual negotiations to prevent that anyway.
And even that doesn't matter anymore because big studios are now their own distributors with their own streaming services. I don't care what Regal or AMC thinks when I'm Disney or NBC or CBS. They've cut out the middleman already.
 

Studios Give ‘Best and Final’ Offer to WGA, Response Expected Sunday

Negotiations between the WGA and the AMPTP have ended for the day on Saturday with the studios offering the Writers Guild what a source has described as their latest, best, and final offer, and which the WGA will now review. It’s expected that the guild will respond by tomorrow ahead of the Jewish holiday beginning at sundown on Sunday.

After three straight days of talks in which top Hollywood CEOs were in the room, both sides on Saturday brought in lawyers to finalize deal language on a new, three-year contract, considered the last step and the home stretch in negotiations. On Saturday, just two major deal points remained unsettled, with some reports suggesting that contract specifics around AI protections were among the sticking points.

A source told IndieWire the expectation was that a deal should get done before the start of Yom Kippur, but the WGA and AMPTP will meet again on Sunday when the WGA is expected to respond to the studios’ latest offer.

The WGA and the AMPTP did not respond to a request for comment.
Specifics of the deal have not been publicized, but multiple media reports have suggested that the studios have made strides in areas pertaining to residuals, minimum staffing, AI, and data transparency, all key facets of the Writers Guild agenda.

Should the WGA’s negotiating committee approve the deal, it will go to the WGA East and West boards for approval before being sent to membership to ratify, along with the guild calling a vote among members to lift the strike.
If the WGA does not accept the latest studio offer, the two sides will have to return to the negotiating table, and it’s unclear when formal negotiations would resume or when a deal could be reached.

Saturday marks the 145th day of the strike, which began on May 2. The longest strike in guild history lasted 153 days back in 1988. If a deal is reached, all eyes will then turn to the actors and SAG-AFTRA, which has been on strike since July 14.
 
And I've been reading from people since Tuesday how the end is nigh and the companies were gonna know the WGA's wrath. The longer this goes on the more I'm gonna gloat.
Interesting to see that Canadians are being asked to boycott various corporations during this 500-day strike few if any even know about and fewer care enough to review the list of big bad corporations that should be indefinitely avoided.

That said, if H&R Block is like its US counterpart in terms of franchised tax prep companies, they overcharge anyone foolish enough to stay with them for 2 or more years. People are better off finding a reputable accountant or tax preparer who take more interest in clients' individual tax situations than a franchise that sees customers as nothing more than dollar signs.
 
Cali time that's 6:47 PM, so 9:47 Eastern.

I'm thinking .... I honestly don't know, but if I had to guess they accept it.
Of course they'll accept it, its their most major holiday. it has the same stigma for jews as christmas does for normies. Think about every shitty film or tv show from the 20th century, they always put aside their differences because "golly tomorrow's christmas a time to think about others" Plus there's the other point where if they don't accept the deal they'll be fucked hard. "these bastards didn't take a deal before Yom Kipper started! fuck them hire scabs and never let the strike end"

The hilarious part is that i also know that SAG will drag their heels long enough that it won't matter that they got the writers strike done and therefore the tv season will still be effectively canceled.
 
Bill Maher carries on with his show without excessive baggage. After all, parasite-generated content is hardly "the heart of the show". Every "writer" is howling in pain.
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You know not all people who work for a show are created equal, friendo?
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Well, Bill Maher got pimped out by the WGA. Not suprising, though.

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I've said it once, I'll say it more until this fucker is fully ignored: BILL MAHER HAS NO NUTS. He's the biggest sheep thinking he's a shepard than any news commentator/talk show host in decades. Yes, even more "The Late Show" chucklefucks. Why do you think as soon as Barrymore raised her middle fingers to the unions only to lower them back down again he did the same thing immediately afterwards? Both their stances didn't last a week!

Stop praising Maher when "he has a point" and delude yourself into thinking "he's finally changing/had enough/"our guy"" because his whole thing is to stir shit for a week tops and go back to giving no-shit-sherlock answers to [current year] topics and twatter X freak bitching. He won't change because he doesn't need to. Nor does he have to. There's nothing about him he can give to you that you won't get from somewhere else.

Fuck Bill Maher. And fuck Drew Barrymore, clearly her rehab wasn't long enough.

Never assume anyone in Hollywood will ever hold to anything even remotely resembling a principle.
Why would they when having none pays now than having some paying eventually? Hollowood is where fake is real and easy work is "doing your best".

Saw this on my news feed too, there's definitely a narrative:

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A lot of these writers are going to lose their jobs or simply not get hired once the deal is made, so it would be better for everyone to get it over with now. It'll be interesting to see what happens when the less qualified writers realize that they're not going to benefit from the deal.
Well, thursday came and went and nothing has happened. Sunday is here and is about to leave and nothing has happened yet. Journoscum needs new moles.

It's perhaps a dumb question but can't movie studios just fire the people who are on strike and hire new people?

In my opinion the strike will never end because the WGA will never get what they want - protection from AI because Hollywood is already using AI and has no plans of stopping.
It's not dumb. And the answer is no. Getting fired for striking is a violation of federal law. You can be noted as someone to watch closely and then be fired for breaking the rules of your contract though (insubordination, disorderly conduct, theft, etc) and given how many attention whores activists are in pedowood, they'll screw themselves out soon enough.

AI has already been deemed unprotected by copyright which means if you use it, your shit is basically public domain. The problem isn't AI anyway, we learned the problem was making sure there's minimum 10 "writers" in the room to write for every project and actors get a slice of streaming revenue for flops or low ratings. If the unions don't cave on those things, they will strike forever. And I hope they do. Because fuck these people. 🚬
 
It's not dumb. And the answer is no. Getting fired for striking is a violation of federal law. You can be noted as someone to watch closely and then be fired for breaking the rules of your contract though (insubordination, disorderly conduct, theft, etc) and given how many attention whores activists are in pedowood, they'll screw themselves out soon enough.
And this is why I hate the NLRA. If somebody refuses to do their job, they should be fired, and ensuring that unions are safe from the logical consequences of their actions has made them far bolder than they have any right to be.
 
It seems like a tentative agreement has been made.

WGA and the studios reach tentative deal to end writers' strike​

Wendy Lee, Meg James
Sun, September 24, 2023 at 9:16 PM CDT·7 min read

The Writers Guild of America and the major Hollywood studios have reached a tentative deal that would end a strike that has lasted 146 days, tossed thousands of people out of work and exposed deep anxiety over changes brought by technology.

The proposed three-year contract, which would still have to be ratified by the union's 11,500 members, would boost pay rates and residual payments for streaming shows and impose new rules surrounding the use of artificial intelligence.

"We can say, with great pride, that this deal is exceptional — with meaningful gains and protections for writers in every sector of the membership," the WGA negotiating committee said in a Sunday night message to its members.
The writers have been on strike since May 2, seeking protections from the ways in which streaming and other industry shifts have threatened their livelihoods.

With the tentative pact with the WGA done, entertainment company leaders are expected to turn their attention to the 160,000-member performers union, SAG-AFTRA, to accelerate those stalled talks in an effort to get the industry back to work. Actors have been on strike since mid-July.
The twin strikes have taken a heavy toll on crew members who made financial sacrifices in a historic show of solidarity. Small businesses that depend on the entertainment industry also suffered.

The writers' strike was, in many ways, a response to the tectonic changes wrought by streaming. Shorter seasons for streaming shows and fewer writers being hired have cut into guild members' pay and job stability, making it harder to earn a sustainable living in the expensive media hubs of Los Angeles and New York, guild members have said.

The studios came into negotiations with their own set of challenges.
The pay-TV business is in decline because of cable cord-cutting and falling TV ratings, which have eroded vital sources of revenue. At the same time, the traditional companies have spent massively to launch robust streaming services to compete with Netflix, losing billions of dollars in the process.
The Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers represents a diverse set of companies. Its members include entertainment-only companies like Netflix; traditional studios including Warner Bros. Discovery and Walt Disney Co.; and tech behemoths like Apple and Amazon.

The strike was one of Hollywood's longest. After long lulls, talks accelerated in recent days when company CEOs came to the bargaining table. The two sides resumed negotiations Wednesday for the first time since Aug. 22.

The road to an agreement was rocky.

The writers picketed major studios, effectively bringing much of Hollywood's film and scripted TV production to a halt.

Then, in mid-July, writers were invigorated when actors joined the work stoppages. The surge compounded the economic pain for the industry but also widened the lens on the labor struggle, making it more relevant to everyday Americans.

The dual Hollywood strikes, not seen since 1960, decimated the entertainment industry, further shuttering productions and financially clobbering related businesses, including talent agencies, casting firms, caterers and prop houses.

Studios delayed major film releases, including Warner Bros.' science fiction epic "Dune: Part Two," because the strike prevented actors from promoting their movies.

Without popular scripted shows including ABC's "Abbott Elementary" and CBS' "Young Sheldon," networks filled their fall TV schedules with reruns, sports and unscripted programming. Fox aired a game show called "Snake Oil"; CBS reprised "Yellowstone" episodes; and ABC began simulcasting ESPN's broadcasts of "Monday Night Football."

The writers effectively used social media platforms to wage a campaign highlighting the economic disparities between the raises they were asking for and the executive compensation packages of top studio executives.

Corporate titans took the heat. Bob Iger, chief executive of Walt Disney Co., incurred a backlash after telling CNBC that the demands of the writers and actors unions were not realistic while he was attending an exclusive investment banker-sponsored retreat for industry luminaries outside Sun Valley, Idaho.

One unnamed studio executive reportedly told Deadline, “The endgame is to allow things to drag on until union members start losing their apartments and losing their houses."

These statements became rallying cries for WGA members, who enlisted a broad array of support from other Hollywood unions, including the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees and Teamsters.

After three months of striking, WGA and AMPTP agreed to meet last month, but it didn't go well.

Netflix co-Chief Executive Ted Sarandos and Sony Pictures Entertainment Chief Executive Tony Vinciquerra were initially among the most active executives to try to facilitate compromises, but they soon were joined by other leaders, including Iger, NBCUniversal Chief Content Officer Donna Langley, CBS Chief Executive George Cheeks and Warner Bros. Discovery Chief Executive David Zaslav.

Talks fell apart after an Aug. 22 meeting with the four leading CEOs — Iger, Zaslav, Langley and Sarandos. Representatives for the writers described it as a “lecture” and a browbeating session in which they were pressured to accept an Aug. 11 proposal from the AMPTP.

After the meeting, the alliance released a summary of its proposal, causing much anger among writers for allegedly trying to go around the WGA's negotiating committee. The effort deepened the mistrust between the two sides.

For their part, the executives wanted writers and the wider Hollywood community to see the offer on the table, hoping that move would put pressure on the guild to compromise.

The studio's proposal offered wage increases and signaled a willingness from the alliance to negotiate on topics it previously was unwilling to discuss, such as sharing of viewership data with the WGA and staffing in writers' rooms.

But the WGA's negotiating committee felt the proposal did not go far enough. Writers on the picket lines were not impressed, calling the studios' proposals "half-measures." They also balked at a proposal to share viewership data on streaming programs with only six WGA staffers — and not with the writers who worked on the shows.

Frustration among workers, including film crew workers, continued to build as the strikes stretched beyond Labor Day, when some had hoped that a deal would be reached.

Some Hollywood workers moved out of state, some lost their homes and others worried about losing their health insurance due to a lack of enough qualifying working hours.

Political leaders including Gov. Gavin Newsom, L.A. Mayor Karen Bass and State Treasurer Fiona Ma also weighed in, urging the parties to settle the dispute.

Todd Holmes, associate professor of entertainment media management at Cal State Northridge, estimated that the economic damage of the dual strikes on California is about $5 billion. If the strikes were to go into mid-October, the cost could balloon to at least $6 billion.

For weeks, the two sides presented different timelines and disagreed on whose turn it was to offer a counteroffer. The WGA's negotiating committee even suggested that some studios might be willing to break from the alliance and negotiate separately with the guild, exploiting potential fractures in the alliance. The AMPTP refuted that notion.

Last week, the studio alliance said the WGA had reached out to restart negotiations, signaling a possible thaw was underway.

Studios had their own motivations to get an agreement done by early October to salvage their 2024 film slates, which would require them to be back in production soon.

They're also hoping to salvage what they can of the 2023-24 television season.

Despite the new agreement, it's unlikely that production will restart right away.

Scripts will have to be written and the studios still need to reach a new contract with SAG-AFTRA. SAG-AFTRA and the AMPTP have not held formal talks since the actors’ strike began.

Video game performers also are weighing whether to give SAG-AFTRA negotiators the authorization to call a strike in their negotiations with video game companies.
 
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