David Steel / LazerPig / Ricewynd / Malquistion - Pathological Liar, Reddit Historian, Femboy Thirster, and Vore Connoisseur

[Corn Flakes]

Well, going from the latest cope dropped by the powers that be, the offensive is actually going great and is about to break through any day now, but the Russians actually managing to by and large hold onto their positions is in reality a massive Russian disinformation op to convince the world that the counter-offensive has failed.

So expect LazerFag and his harem of milsperg anime femboys to drop this talking point in one of their upcoming podcasts, when they're not wasted on alcohol and telling dick jokes to each other.

I always advise anyone looking for news about the Ukraine war to just... not do it. Look for analysis done months later, sure. Just never "news".

We've all had our brains rotted by the 24-hour news network mentality of "all the information now, now, now", but the truth of the matter is that everybody is lying at all times here. It takes weeks, if not months, for the torrent of information to calm down enough that it can be sifted through, and the actual facts fished out. The only people who know more or less what's going on are the Russians and the Ukrainians, and even those only really know what's going on on their side, and all filtered through multiple levels of hierarchy from the trenches to the Defense Ministries. So even they aren't working with the complete facts.

With this level of fog of war the truth usually only becomes obvious in hindsight, if it ever emerges. Anyone trying to say they know what's happening now, or worse: that they know what's going to happen next, is taking out of their fat fucking ass. Be it a NAFO idiot like LazerPig, or a braindead vatnik like Gonzo. You can make educated guesses and disclose the sources you used to inform your position, but that's all you can do: guess. But everybody talks about this war like their WAGs are gospel truth.

That all said, I do hope LazerPig and his merry band of morons do get their teeth kicked in soon. I may nominally be on their side by wanting Russia to lose (since they never play nicely with anyone), but these guys are just plain insufferable. They're what happens when people who haven't matured past the 5th grade decide they're experts on geopolitics and military strategy and must impart their great knowledge upon the unwashed masses. (ETA: on the other hand I also think vatniks are unbearable so no matter what happens I'll be laughing.)

 

[Historical Strelkov]

About the T-14 spergout, it's pretty simple, it's currently not needed.

The irony about people talking about the T-14 is most of them are people who think its shit, which by their logic would explain why its not on the field.
All this does is create confirmation bias that Russians are shit and our shit is better.
When as you import, Tank warfare isn't even the primary means of breakthrough or mechanized assault anymore.
When the British and German tanks as great as they are, can't seem to do much in open fields that they're operating in.
The focus on the T-14 and its shortcomings to me just strikes of trying to narrowly focus on something for morale purposes in negation of practicality.

 

[AN/ALR56]

The irony about people talking about the T-14 is most of them are people who think its shit, which by their logic would explain why its not on the field.
All this does is create confirmation bias that Russians are shit and our shit is better.
When as you import, Tank warfare isn't even the primary means of breakthrough or mechanized assault anymore.
When the British and German tanks as great as they are, can't seem to do much in open fields that they're operating in.

Exactly.
They deploy the t-14s and you would see some panic or great pride then you'd start to see them blown up by mines and missiles.
Russia would have to do everything to avoid their wrecks being captured, Ukraine and NAFO would at the same time write articles about how this Nazi supertank will drive over small Ukranian children and is immune to their current weapons and that's why Biden needs to send them tactical nukes at the same time that they would mock it to death on YouTube and Reddit.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

Anyone still talking about the GWOT in 2023 is a grifter or faggot. Shame. There was a moment around 2014 vet internet was fun. At least I can call O'Niel a faggot on twitter.

I can do both. Just waiting for the conversation to steer into something I'm familiar with.

Ahaha yeah. These days most of those guys sell Civil War porn books and other media and merch to guys who want some masculinity in a box/book.

If you see a vet yammering on twitter all goddamn day about inane shit not relating to his/her real job and just bitching and whining, don't give them any money or attention.

I'm giving LP about 3 months until he gets into a groomer controversy.


Online Vet personalities are truly something, I can say that much.

I have a feeling LP is freaking out as he probably has some active grooming ongoing.

Whole article. It's mostly the founders trying to distance themselves from anyone that supported them early, because they're a real business now. They don't need vets, they have the good shoppers at Dicks who associate them with vets.

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That about sums it up. He could do something he clearly understands is extremely important to not just his fellow veterans, but his own team mates, to the point they offered him a medal to protect him. I can not stress enough how much St. Michael is venerated among Catholics, especially soldiers. But some glowie told him about George Flyod memes. He could have just said "That image is tradition dating back over 600 years. It would be disrespectful to say memes are more important." Instead he shut it down and made sure to tell the NYT for Good Boy Points. Cool, Hafer. Good to know where we rank in your priorities. Glorifying SF was a fucking mistake.

Also I may be showing my age but the Swiss are Mountain Jews, not Mormons.

Ugh, that shit it why I went Stocking Mill for my "fancy" coffee and never looked back.

Most people don't get shit like this. A lot of countries just can't afford a fully kitted Abrams tank. BUT...those old modernized T-62's over there, with a decent 115mm smoothbore gun that have (albeit old) thermals? Fuck yeah, that fits Country A's budget, and is basically equal to its neighbors. Fits the budget and requirements. Everything else is overkill, and/or can be handled by ATGM teams and aircraft.

Yep, these days you have 4-7 brand new tank options. Chinese MBT-3000/2000, Russian T-72B/T-90A/T-90M, US M1A1/A2, S. Korean K2, and maybe a Leopard 2A6/7/8 of the German government thinks you're worth of that overrated Kruppstahl. All of these options aren't super cheap, although Russian and China will cut a good deal and S. Korea isn't afraid to customize for different customers.

All else is going to be upgraded tanks, usually Russian or Chinese or an IFV with a 105mm gun on it that's called a light tank.

If a country is looking to make a tank fleet fast these days on a budget with decent upgrade potential.... they'll be buying a T-72 / T-72 derivative 9/10.

 

[Amerikaner Teddybär]

I have a feeling LP is freaking out as he probably has some active grooming ongoing.

I wouldn't doubt it, he's definitely the type of guy to do that.

The question is "When will it get leaked?"

 

[WelperHelper99]

People ignore that's how the soviets killed German tigers and panthers, a big slab of 152mm would knock the turret out of alignment and create so much spalling the tank would be a meat milkshake inside if the ammo somehow didn't explode due to the shock.

Same thing in the battle of Berlin, flaktowers with 128mm flattened is-2 rushing towards the Reichstag until they ran out of ammo.

That is a big thing, even with massive, and I do mean massive advances in armor, it's still hard to stop a 155/152mm artillery shell from knocking your turret off, which is basically held on by gravity. That goes for any nation, and is basic training for artillery for if and when they bump into a tank. No kill like overkill.

About the T-14 spergout, it's pretty simple, it's currently not needed.
A T-72, T-90, T-80 are perfectly fine to take out early leopard 2s, M1s without uranium armor or Slovakian T-55s, they don't even use the newest ammo types simply because it's not fucking needed despite spookston and lazerpig raging about how the Russians are dumb.

Same thing happened with the Koreans, the K2 lingered for decades until showing up to mass production back in the mid 2010s, you simply don't need the most expensive mass produced tank when your likely enemy is fielding T-62s and you have thousands of M1 Abrams clones.
The K2 is designed to replace the Korean army m48s and m60s still in service, no the k1s and certainly not in a 1-1 basis.

Combining with below

these days you have 4-7 brand new tank options. Chinese MBT-3000/2000, Russian T-72B/T-90A/T-90M, US M1A1/A2, S. Korean K2, and maybe a Leopard 2A6/7/8 of the German government thinks you're worth of that overrated Kruppstahl. All of these options aren't super cheap, although Russian and China will cut a good deal and S. Korea isn't afraid to customize for different customers.

All else is going to be upgraded tanks, usually Russian or Chinese or an IFV with a 105mm gun on it that's called a light tank.

If a country is looking to make a tank fleet fast these days on a budget with decent upgrade potential.... they'll be buying a T-72 / T-72 derivative 9/10.

Basically it you two. It's easy for armchair generals like LP to pick and choose their equipment in a vacuum, with no consideration to cost or logistics, or even if their neighbors have anything to match up to a M1 Abrams, when a T-72 would do. This is what I mean by Laserpig is a sperg that should have stayed in his hugbox message board forever, because everyone there spergs like that.

I mean sure, it would be cool if, idk, a tiny country like Luxembourg had a mix of 2000 M1 Abrams and Type 10 Japanese tanks for lighter terrain (below), and every man was armed with a Gucci Scar-H rifle.

It's just not happening. They are surrounded by friendly countries. Wish they took their defense a bit more seriously, but that's just the long and short of it.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

Some big shot in NAFO circles will get into a polarizing controversy that will cause the movement to split into two or more bickering factions, for lack of a better term.

I agree with your theory, and I think it will either come about with one of these dipshits outright supporting a Ukrainian war crime, saying something about about Jews needing to be killed or something outright racist or just saying the word nigger.

 

[wew lad]

saying something about about Jews needing to be killed or something outright racist or just saying the word nigger.

wtf I love NAFO now

 

[AeroGavin Rossdale]

supporting a Ukrainian war crime

I don't think that sea change is coming soon. J*rnos were openly salivating at making up new war crimes on twitter under their own names and we're still doing the "Akshully the Sonnegard has a complex history" thing. Same with the racism. They're good shitlibs at the end of the day, anything is capable of being swept under the rug until unless one of them questions the narrative. Wondering if fueling this meat grinder of young men in the name of a couple Slav backwaters is morally correct is what will get the dirty laundry aired out. But that would require them to identify with people instead of tanks.

 

[Corn Flakes]

With the T-14 it's clear the Russians actually want that vehicle to work. They see a need for it, and while the T-90MS is a competent tank it's a tank for today. That's what gave the Brits the Challenger 2, a tank that was outdated the moment it rolled out of the factory. The T-14 design process was the Russians trying to figure out what the tank for tomorrow's war is going to be. And say what you will about Russian design bureaus, but these guys can work miracles with limited technology and/or resources. The problem was never so much the tank, but the entire system that was trying to build it and how little actually is left after every step in the corruption ladder takes their slice of the pie. For all the sperging LP did about Pentagon Wars, the situation with Russian procurement is even worse.

As for the war itself... eh. It's on Russia to end it. I'd be more charitable towards the Russkis, but after Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Crimea and Donbas (and all their state media rhetoric about invading/nuking Poland, the Baltic states and all of Europe), it's pretty fucking clear their government doesn't play nice with their neighbors and doesn't honor any agreements. But that's not the subject of this thread, and I doubt LazerPig or any of the NAFO guys he hangs out with has given much thought to any of it. It's essentially just this:

 

[WelperHelper99]

With the T-14 it's clear the Russians actually want that vehicle to work. They see a need for it, and while the T-90MS is a competent tank it's a tank for today. That's what gave the Brits the Challenger 2, a tank that was outdated the moment it rolled out of the factory. The T-14 design process was the Russians trying to figure out what the tank for tomorrow's war is going to be. And say what you will about Russian design bureaus, but these guys can work miracles with limited technology and/or resources. The problem was never so much the tank, but the entire system that was trying to build it and how little actually is left after every step in the corruption ladder takes their slice of the pie. For all the sperging LP did about Pentagon Wars, the situation with Russian procurement is even w

The t 14 suffers from corruption, lack of funding, lack of the ability to produce by itself the MODERN electronics it needs to be considered a true 4th gen tank, and the simple fact the T-90 is still a heavy hitter that they KNOW how to make, and they got a shit ton of older tanks in storage. They'd rather take those valuable computer chips to make Lancet drones than tanks still in the trial stage at this point. Clearly those kill western tanks and are a lot cheaper, so why bother right now?

 

[Amerikaner Teddybär]

I don't think that sea change is coming soon. J*rnos were openly salivating at making up new war crimes on twitter under their own names and we're still doing the "Akshully the Sonnegard has a complex history" thing. Same with the racism. They're good shitlibs at the end of the day, anything is capable of being swept under the rug until unless one of them questions the narrative. Wondering if fueling this meat grinder of young men in the name of a couple Slav backwaters is morally correct is what will get the dirty laundry aired out. But that would require them to identify with people instead of tanks.

Journos might be loyal lap dogs but they aren't immune to cannibalizing themselves when it suits them.

 

[Corn Flakes]

The t 14 suffers from corruption, lack of funding, lack of the ability to produce by itself the MODERN electronics it needs to be considered a true 4th gen tank, and the simple fact the T-90 is still a heavy hitter that they KNOW how to make, and they got a shit ton of older tanks in storage. They'd rather take those valuable computer chips to make Lancet drones than tanks still in the trial stage at this point. Clearly those kill western tanks and are a lot cheaper, so why bother right now?

Yes, absolutely. Right now they're not bothering with it. But if they had the 200+ T-14s they had planned to have by 2022, they would be using them. They'd be foolish not to.

Because that's my point: they're not building T-14s right now because the situation has changed and they're very limited on industrial inputs, but their plan is and has always been to fully replace the T-72/T-90 series in active service with the T-14. It might not be feasible at the moment (or likely forever) for a myriad of reasons, but they didn't throw all that money into the T-14 just to have showroom prototypes. These things, in whatever configuration they end up in, are fully intended to be the standard main battle tank for the Russian Ground Forces at... some nebulous point in the future.

It's just what happens when you write checks your military-industrial complex can't cash, and then you proceed to take a baseball bat to said military-industrial complex' kneecaps by getting your ass sanctioned to high heaven.

Journos might be loyal lap dogs but they aren't immune to cannibalizing themselves when it suits them.

Journos are also slaves to the news cycle, and the Ukraine War has been in the headlines for far too long for many of them. They don't want to report on it anymore.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Yes, absolutely. Right now they're not bothering with it. But if they had the 200+ T-14s they had planned to have by 2022, they would be using them. They'd be foolish not to.

Because that's my point: they're not building T-14s right now because the situation has changed and they're very limited on industrial inputs, but their plan is and has always been to fully replace the T-72/T-90 series in active service with the T-14. It might not be feasible at the moment (or likely forever) for a myriad of reasons, but they didn't throw all that money into the T-14 just to have showroom prototypes. These things, in whatever configuration they end up in, are fully intended to be the standard main battle tank for the Russian Ground Forces at... some nebulous point in the future.

It's just what happens when you write checks your military-industrial complex can't cash, and then you proceed to take a baseball bat to said military-industrial complex' kneecaps by getting your ass sanctioned to high heaven.

Oh they'd use them if they had them, they just don't. As I said, a mix of reasons. Sanctions definitely don't help, they now have to redesign shit around older style components. I feel for the foreseeable future, even if they won the war, the T-14 would at most be produced in small batches, and at worst, simply raided for its technical advancements and integrated into older models in production already

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

Yes, absolutely. Right now they're not bothering with it. But if they had the 200+ T-14s they had planned to have by 2022, they would be using them. They'd be foolish not to.

Because that's my point: they're not building T-14s right now because the situation has changed and they're very limited on industrial inputs, but their plan is and has always been to fully replace the T-72/T-90 series in active service with the T-14. It might not be feasible at the moment (or likely forever) for a myriad of reasons, but they didn't throw all that money into the T-14 just to have showroom prototypes. These things, in whatever configuration they end up in, are fully intended to be the standard main battle tank for the Russian Ground Forces at... some nebulous point in the future.

It's just what happens when you write checks your military-industrial complex can't cash, and then you proceed to take a baseball bat to said military-industrial complex' kneecaps by getting your ass sanctioned to high heaven.


Journos are also slaves to the news cycle, and the Ukraine War has been in the headlines for far too long for many of them. They don't want to report on it anymore.

The last good journos regarding this conflict was Vice's "Russian Roulette" With Simon Ostrovsky. But that was the last gasp of old vice when it was basically HALO dropping NYU students into war zones.

 

[RA-5C Vigilante]

I want us to normalize hating both Nazis and Communists because the people who support both ideologies online are insufferable faggots.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

I want us to normalize hating both Nazis and Communists because the people who support both ideologies online are insufferable faggots.

Unironic monarchism when?

 

[The Foxtrot]

Unironic monarchism when?

Unfortunately there are a lot of retards who think monarchism is based and redpilled, and not just a dictatorship with fancier trappings which is no better than what we have now. Worse, actually, because the average monarch in history was a useless, inbred degenerate.

 

[AeroGavin Rossdale]

Journos might be loyal lap dogs but they aren't immune to cannibalizing themselves when it suits them.

I'd like to think so, but what little reporting I've followed in this war makes me think something is fundamentally broken in the way violence is perceived by a good deal of Americans. NAFO would get ripped down for something gayer getting people in some other shit hole killed.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

Unfortunately there are a lot of retards who think monarchism is based and redpilled, and not just a dictatorship with fancier trappings which is no better than what we have now. Worse, actually, because the average monarch in history was a useless, inbred degenerate.

I think the sign of a true American Patriot is the rejection of anything that is not direct austitic republican democracy done in the most convoluted manner

I'd like to think so, but what little reporting I've followed in this war makes me think something is fundamentally broken in the way violence is perceived by a good deal of Americans. NAFO would get ripped down for something gayer getting people in some other shit hole killed.

Remember the build-up to Iraq 2? But it always has been this way in the United States and the rest of the Western World fuck even for all of time. But is important to remember that this war fits all the retarded checkboxes which have existed since the 1950s.


A War in Europe that isn't a complete stomp fest and lacks the bullshit religious issues [x]

A War against Russia which the West has been preparing for since 1947 [x]

A War we can watch that doesn't have Muslims scream Arabic and result in Terror Attacks in Europe/USA [x}

A War where white people understand and can connect with both sides [x]

A War that can be televised [x]= When the war first started I knew people who were treating this like it was some "gotcha" movie bullshit (particularly when Kyiv was being shelled and Russia and Ukraine were at the UN) . These were people who are gunning for jobs in peace and diplomacy studies. Which is so vomit-inducing.

This war is "JUST LIKE MY HECKING VIDEO GAMES IT'S LIKE HEARTS OF IRON GUYYZZ"