Thoughts on Lolbertarianism?

[The Last Stand]

This thread has been like an AI chatbot with one response, "

I asked you to explain yourself; I've yet to get a response.

 

[Mothra1988]

I asked you to explain yourself; I've yet to get a response.

The political Republican/Democrat establishment sees Libertarians as a threat, so they fill up things like the official Libertarian Party with a clown show that will never get off the ground. I would assume a "think tank" that produces pro-establishment policies would be in the same ballpark. If you don't believe me, look how the knives came out with the deep state over Trump's isolationist foreign policy goals.

 

[The Last Stand]

The political Republican/Democrat establishment sees Libertarians as a threat, so they fill up things like the official Libertarian Party with a clown show that will never get off the ground. I would assume a "think tank" that produces pro-establishment policies would be in the same ballpark.

But why do they see you guys as a threat?

So, basically, your perception of libertarianism is having a bunch of establishment policies in one area to "think over?" That doesn't make any sense.

 

[SwanSwanson]

The political Republican/Democrat establishment sees Libertarians as a threat, so they fill up things like the official Libertarian Party with a clown show that will never get off the ground. I would assume a "think tank" that produces pro-establishment policies would be in the same ballpark. If you don't believe me, look how the knives came out with the deep state over Trump's isolationist foreign policy goals.

The establishment never gave a fuck about libertarians or libertarianism, because its not a good intellectual contender for the current regime. Anyways how would a libertarian society even look like? What will stop corporations from being evil in a libertarian society?

 

[Mothra1988]

The establishment never gave a fuck about libertarians or libertarianism, because its not a good intellectual contender for the current regime. Anyways how would a libertarian society even look like? What will stop corporations from being evil in a libertarian society?

Trump's foreign policy was very libertarian, and they used all their dirty tricks to crush him over it. I've noticed you never focus on the foreign policy of things. Gee, I wonder why? But yes, they do fucking care. Don't know what you were doing during the Ron Paul campaign, but if you recall they had Fox News purposely crush him. That just didn't happen by happenstance.

I never said I wanted a hardcore libertarian ideologue society. But yeah a more libertarian society would be ideal as opposed to the gay version of communism you prefer. The problem is people like you can only think in absolute extremes, and then expect me to argue with absolute extremes. Nope, doesn't work that way.

I don't bleieve in free reign for monopolies to gobble up power, but then again do you realize how fucking difficult it is to actually start a business in the first place? If there were fewer barriers to entry and more ability to make a profit, then you have more competition. Huge companies succeed in part because they have so much money that they can swallow the costs added onto they by regulation, taxes, unions, whatever. It cuts both ways.

 

[The Ugly One]

The political Republican/Democrat establishment sees Libertarians as a threat, so they fill up things like the official Libertarian Party with a clown show that will never get off the ground.

Yeah, the reason the Libertarian Party is full of clowns is because of a secret two-party conspiracy to infest the party with secret agent clowns, not because an ideology whose main slogan is "I believe in a homosexual sex den defending their meth kitchen with AK-47s" or whatever attracts clowns.

 

[Mothra1988]

Yeah, the reason the Libertarian Party is full of clowns is because of a secret two-party conspiracy to infest the party with secret agent clowns, not because an ideology whose main slogan is "I believe in a homosexual sex den defending their meth kitchen with AK-47s" or whatever attracts clowns.

Are you just admitting you don't like gun rights? Whenever I see your posts, I just imagine some mad 50 year old boomer shaking with rage who is going to die of a coronary soon. I've never see you post anything that wasn't laced with absolute bitterness.

But anyways, yes the establishment doesn't like the libertarian portion of either party. The Republican establishment purposely shut down Ron Paul's campaign especially in the media, and if you don't believe that, you're a mad faggot, which you are. Again, you won't talk about libertarian foreign policy, because then you would have to admit you essentially agree with it despite this kabuki routine. Good luck with selling whatever dumb shit you believe in to anyone other than fellow fedposting inmates.

 

[SwanSwanson]

Trump's foreign policy was very libertarian, and they used all their dirty tricks to crush him over it. I've noticed you never focus on the foreign policy of things. Gee, I wonder why? But yes, they do fucking care. Don't know what you were doing during the Ron Paul campaign, but if you recall they had Fox News purposely crush him. That just didn't happen by happenstance.

I never said I wanted a hardcore libertarian ideologue society. But yeah a more libertarian society would be ideal as opposed to the gay version of communism you prefer. The problem is people like you can only think in absolute extremes, and then expect me to argue with absolute extremes. Nope, doesn't work that way.

I don't bleieve in free reign for monopolies to gobble up power, but then again do you realize how fucking difficult it is to actually start a business in the first place? If there were fewer barriers to entry and more ability to make a profit, then you have more competition. Huge companies succeed in part because they have so much money that they can swallow the costs added onto they by regulation, taxes, unions, whatever. It cuts both ways.

Communists killed gay people and were opposed to homosexuality. Anyways it should be way easier to start up a business, infact I support this idea. I'm not certain what libertarian ideas you support and oppose, but the issue with your ideology is that businesses when they get big enough will always use their money to get more money, whether through lobbying or hiring mercenaries.

How will libertarianism prevent this? You claim to hate communism but the only way for this to be stable would be to have more power towards unions, essentially social libertarianism otherwise it will develop into standard corporate rule.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

Libertarianism desperately wants to be a right-wing ideology even though the ideologies metaphorical boat constantly gets filled up with people who have no understanding of the ideology of libertarianism the founders of libertarianism were extremely right wing did not like blacks believe that whites are you Superior to non-whites and acknowledge blacks have low time preference.
If you read democracy The God That Failed it's basically a soft advocacy for absolute monarchy.
Hop Is Right when he says people don't read enough but because libertarianism is an extremely complicated philosophical ideology it is Impractical to be imposed on the larger populous

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

Trump's foreign policy was very libertarian, and they used all their dirty tricks to crush him over it. I've noticed you never focus on the foreign policy of things. Gee, I wonder why? But yes, they do fucking care. Don't know what you were doing during the Ron Paul campaign, but if you recall they had Fox News purposely crush him. That just didn't happen by happenstance.

I never said I wanted a hardcore libertarian ideologue society. But yeah a more libertarian society would be ideal as opposed to the gay version of communism you prefer. The problem is people like you can only think in absolute extremes, and then expect me to argue with absolute extremes. Nope, doesn't work that way.

I don't bleieve in free reign for monopolies to gobble up power, but then again do you realize how fucking difficult it is to actually start a business in the first place? If there were fewer barriers to entry and more ability to make a profit, then you have more competition. Huge companies succeed in part because they have so much money that they can swallow the costs added onto they by regulation, taxes, unions, whatever. It cuts both ways.

Every foreign policy I've seen from Libertarians is literally America bad something something imperialism and sounds like low IQ dribble that I could find in any book written by some communist professor from Brown.

Trump's foreign policy was very libertarian, and they used all their dirty tricks to crush him over it. I've noticed you never focus on the foreign policy of things. Gee, I wonder why? But yes, they do fucking care. Don't know what you were doing during the Ron Paul campaign, but if you recall they had Fox News purposely crush him. That just didn't happen by happenstance.

I never said I wanted a hardcore libertarian ideologue society. But yeah a more libertarian society would be ideal as opposed to the gay version of communism you prefer. The problem is people like you can only think in absolute extremes, and then expect me to argue with absolute extremes. Nope, doesn't work that way.

I don't bleieve in free reign for monopolies to gobble up power, but then again do you realize how fucking difficult it is to actually start a business in the first place? If there were fewer barriers to entry and more ability to make a profit, then you have more competition. Huge companies succeed in part because they have so much money that they can swallow the costs added onto they by regulation, taxes, unions, whatever. It cuts both ways.

It cost me about a hundred bucks to own an LLC a month that's because I don't like being publicly identifiable through my business it takes about 5 minutes to start an LLC.
You have 150 bucks and an address

 

[Mothra1988]

Every foreign policy I've seen from Libertarians is literally America bad something something imperialism and sounds like low IQ dribble that I could find in any book written by some communist professor from Brown.

So you think isolationism is a bad foreign policy? Do you prefer interventionism and the Bush Doctrine developed by the CIA? We are still ruled by the Bush Doctrine to this day btw. It's why Trump is being prosecuted in kangroo courts.

It cost me about a hundred bucks to own an LLC a month that's because I don't like being publicly identifiable through my business it takes about 5 minutes to start an LLC.
You have 150 bucks and an address

Notice how you didn't say WHAT your business is. 100 percent it's not a restaurant, a factory or a brick and mortar anything . Get back to me when you do that and actually have to deal with regulation and red tape.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

So you think isolationism is a bad foreign policy? Do you prefer interventionism and the Bush Doctrine developed by the CIA? We are still ruled by the Bush Doctrine to this day btw. It's why Trump is being prosecuted in kangroo courts.


Notice how you didn't say WHAT your business is. 100 percent it's not a restaurant, a factory or a brick and mortar anything . Get back to me when you do that and actually have to deal with regulation and red tape.

It's a construction company you twat more and I have to deal with building regulation OSHA compliance labor laws because unlike every other company I don't use the 1099 scam to fuck my employees at of healthcare or overtime.
The reason restaurants have such heavy regulations is because you're dealing with people's food and food poisoning is really easy to kill a large amount of people the reason we have such heavy regulations on factories is because back in the 1960s before we pass the clean water and and Clean Air Act
Rivers will literally being lit on fire and continuing to burn that's probably not a good thing.
When I was younger I actually did a high school project and all the super fun clean up sites at around the us because we had very little regulation in the 1960s about where you can dump horrible toxic chemicals that now have to be monitored and cleaned up with tens of billions of dollars because people couldn't be asked to dispose of extremely hazardous material.

I actually support the introduction of a carpenter's license because I've seen too many people fucking carpentry because they hire a bunch of illegal immigrants who don't know what they're doing Libertarians like you are communist with a different coat of paint.

 

[Mothra1988]

It's a construction company you twat more and I have to deal with building regulation OSHA compliance labor laws because unlike every other company I don't use the 1099 scam to fuck my employees at of healthcare or overtime.
The reason restaurants have such heavy regulations is because you're dealing with people's food and food poisoning is really easy to kill a large amount of people the reason we have such heavy regulations on factories is because back in the 1960s before we pass the clean water and and Clean Air Act
Rivers will literally being lit on fire and continuing to burn that's probably not a good thing.
When I was younger I actually did a high school project and all the super fun clean up sites at around the us because we had very little regulation in the 1960s about where you can dump horrible toxic chemicals that now have to be monitored and cleaned up with tens of billions of dollars because people couldn't be asked to dispose of extremely hazardous material.

I actually support the introduction of a carpenter's license because I've seen too many people fucking carpentry because they hire a bunch of illegal immigrants who don't know what they're doing Libertarians like you are communist with a different coat of paint.

Yeah, what we need is more construction companies. That's a really impressive and unique tale of entrepreneurship when someone tells me they work construction. I'll give you points for having a real business with employees and dealing with some regulation, but one that is barely relevant to this discussion in regards to things that can compete with the mega-corporations that people are crying about. May as well be digging graves.

Sounds like you've never been out of the USA. Street food is served everywhere and there's no big "die-offs." I agree that food poisoning can still be a threat, but that's mostly on the supplier end of things in recent decades like what happened with Chipolte. I'm not for getting rid of the need for cleanliness, but it's fucking over the top how hard it is to run a successful restaurant these days. Of course, the big corporate chains can survive, they can take the hit of all those added overhead expenses. Mom and pop can't and I'm sick of all my favorite independent restaurants going out of business while 60+ year old boomers like you that weren't affected by the pandemic don't give a shit. We still have this big fear of things in the USA due to manufactured propaganda like the Jungle that have kind of stiffled US food culture, and now politicians want to fuck things up even more and drove fucking probalby 10 percent of those businesses in the ground in a record period of time becasue we gave the government the ability to tell them what to do even more/

And no stupid, most factory products ate still made with pollution, just in China. We ceded the enitre American industrial complex and the middle class to foreigners. I guess lack of protectionism contibuted to that, like I said I'm not an idelogue on economic libertarianism, but the fact it's so hard to make a profit in the US certianly contributes to that. So instead of having low quality factory jobs people complain about, we have no factory jobs. Pretty soon there won't be food service jobs either. Can't realy blame libertarians for any of that either. The trade deals and regulations were mostly done by Demoocrat adminstrations. I guess you'll be okay though becuase you'll be able to build things with no workers inside.

Notice how you didnt bring up taxes either, so I guess you like doing your part to help city nigger welfare. lol

 

[The Last Stand]

ibertarianism desperately wants to be a right-wing ideology even though the ideologies metaphorical boat constantly gets filled up with people who have no understanding of the ideology of libertarianism

In earnest, libertarianism IS more attractive for right-wing policies as it allows for civilians to raise hell against their own government. Surface level thinking at least.

 

[RMQualtrough]

I thought it was great until a RETARD I was hanging with dropped acid and lost his mind. I dropped 600ug and was fine, he ran down the street nude screaming about demons, then got hospitalized for a few days.

Libertarianism is an ideology for people who aren't retards and assume that other people are not retards. Most laws like anti drug laws etc, largely exist BECAUSE of retards. "This is why we can't have nice things". Yes retards are why you get jailed for taking acid.

I suppose a libertarian system based on IQ score could work. The higher your IQ the more freedom you are allowed. Retards aren't allowed to do much of anything, which makes sense.

 

[The Last Stand]

Again, you won't talk about libertarian foreign policy, because then you would have to admit you essentially agree with it despite this kabuki routine. Good luck with selling whatever dumb shit you believe in to anyone other than fellow fedposting inmates.

Libertarian foreign policy basically boils down to "leave us alone" LARPing that would rely on pure volunteerism to prosper. Add insult to injury, libertarians hide behind an "anti-war" sentiment through massively cutting its own national and foreign defense spending. Okay, so that leaves us wide open for China or whatever superpower to attack us with little retaliation.

Also, defense spending accounts for more than just weaponry. How are you supposed to defend "liberty" if you would freely allow any Joe Schmo from Central America to come in unimpeded, no questions asked? Between that and the lack of defense spending, that is just asking for a foreign invasion at best, enabled human/drug trafficking at worse.

 

[Mothra1988]

Libertarian foreign policy basically boils down to "leave us alone" LARPing that would rely on pure volunteerism to prosper. Add insult to injury, libertarians hide behind an "anti-war" sentiment through massively cutting its own national and foreign defense spending. Okay, so that leaves us wide open for China or whatever superpower to attack us with little retaliation.

Also, defense spending accounts for more than just weaponry. How are you supposed to defend "liberty" if you would freely allow any Joe Schmo from Central America to come in unimpeded, no questions asked? Between that and the lack of defense spending, that is just asking for a foreign invasion at best, enabled human/drug trafficking at worse.

What do you think about the Ukraine War and our support of Ukraine? lol

 

[The Last Stand]

What do you think about the Ukraine War and our support of Ukraine? lol

Absolutely pointless and war mongering in spirit, especially during our horrible economy.

If you're suggesting libertarianism would resolve our involvement in the Ukraine War (especially with the sources I provided), you'd be dead wrong.

Now answer my proposed hypotheticals above given the average libertarian's take on foreign policy.

 

[Mukhrani]

The reason restaurants have such heavy regulations is because you're dealing with people's food and food poisoning is really easy to kill a large amount of people

Sounds like you've never been out of the USA. Street food is served everywhere and there's no big "die-offs." I agree that food poisoning can still be a threat, but that's mostly on the supplier end of things in recent decades like what happened with Chipolte. I'm not for getting rid of the need for cleanliness, but it's fucking over the top how hard it is to run a successful restaurant these days. Of course, the big corporate chains can survive, they can take the hit of all those added overhead expenses. Mom and pop can't and I'm sick of all my favorite independent restaurants going out of business while 60+ year old boomers like you that weren't affected by the pandemic don't give a shit. We still have this big fear of things in the USA due to manufactured propaganda like the Jungle that have kind of stiffled US food culture, and now politicians want to fuck things up even more and drove fucking probalby 10 percent of those businesses in the ground in a record period of time becasue we gave the government the ability to tell them what to do even more

I personally think libertarianism isn't very good political philosophy, but they 100% have a point about regulations, especially when it comes to restaurants and food. A lot of the regulations are completely retarded, and aren't based on any sort of scientific reasoning. I feel like you could reliably prevent things like food poisoning with 10% of the current regulations. If a store wants to, for example, serve little bits of cheese you can't just use a knife that you wash before and after each usage to cut the cheese up and then stick toothpicks in it and hand them to people. This how literally every person in the country eats cheese at parties and whatnot, and pretty much nobody gets food poisoning from it. That doesn't stop regulators from turning into retarded OCD nutjobs, trying to demand that you need a loicense to wash the knife properly, and that you need to wear gloves while cutting the cheese. Gloves in food preparation are pretty much 100% bullshit sanitation theatre - nobody wears gloves while preparing food every day at home. There's a good argument to be made that gloves are less sanitary than just washing your hands before handling food. Basic laws about shit like not storing raw meat above ready to eat stuff in the walk-in, expiration dates, proper storage, hand-washing and pest control are really all you need.

I remember I got food poisoning from Indian food once, looked up the restaurant's most recent health report, and it was absolutely nauseating shit. Leaving a bowl of flour sit in the top of an open trash can, horrific pest control problems, a guy handling raw meat then sticking his paws in ready-to-eat food. That report was from years ago and the restaurant was still in operation. So even when some retarded pajeets flagrantly violate every sensible health regulation on the books, nothing is done to stop them from sending people to the hospital. The laws that matter have no teeth.

 

[The Last Stand]

but they 100% have a point about regulations, especially when it comes to restaurants and food. A lot of the regulations are completely retarded, and aren't based on any sort of scientific reasoning. I feel like you could reliably prevent things like food poisoning with 10% of the current regulations. If a store wants to, for example, serve little bits of cheese you can't just use a knife that you wash before and after each usage to cut the cheese up and then stick toothpicks in it and hand them to people.

How about this one regulation where any leftover food for the day HAS to be thrown out? That's wasteful as hell. Give the food away, take it with you. If people can do that in their own home, why shouldn't restaurants be allowed that luxury? I'm sure some random shelter would appreciate it.