Mega Rad Gun Thread

8mm Cunningham said:
Last night around 11 pm I had a tall faggot knocking on my door. He "wanted a light for his swisher" told him no and to keep moving. Luckily he fucked off. He tried it with another neighbor and was held at AR-15 point until the cops came and took him away. Apparently he was also taking pictures of houses and looking for a soft target.

Told the wife we need a gun. Bit of meth and people are un-intimidate-able.

I want a 12 ga. pump. She wants a .22. I think she is afraid of larger calibers (she's only 5'1"). I think I should take her to a range and rent a 20 ga. and see how she does. I don't expect her to ever use it, but I need her onboard. Budget is tight. Any suggestions on influencing her or recommended home defense guns? I am really worried about over penetration. Neighbors are close by.
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Counter-point to your thoughts about overpenetration, I would be more concerned firing buckshot because if I miss, not only is there a shot going towards a neighbors house, there is multiple projectiles that make it a hell of a lot more likely to hit someone or something important.

There really isn't a good solution to overpenetration caused by a MISS that isn't somewhat sketchy in terms of performance against humans.

A full-size or compact (not too small) handgun is probably your best option for the situation you've described, where he wasn't making entry but was scoping the place out. If he does make entry you have the ability to prevent him from making entry permanently.
Additionally, with a handgun you have your other hand available for a phone (calling police) or a flashlight (who the hell is it outside?)

Besides, if it turns out it is little Jimmy from down the street who kicked his ball into your yard and wants to get it, it's probably going to be viewed as less extreme by his parents (your neighbors) if you answered the door with a pistol than a shotgun. I don't know if I am phrasing this the best way, but especially if you're in a rough area it is good to be on good terms with neighbors.

While I wouldn't recommend it, If you REALLY want a shotgun, then get the Maverick.
If my spiel convinced you, then try something from Canik (TP9 variants), CZ P-10, PSA Dagger, a used full size or compact Glock.
 
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Something random I've been wondering. Why is the HK416 so much heavier than DI ARs? Obviously the op rod adds weight vs. a gas tube but it can't be that much. For context the Daniel Defense MK18 weighs 5.88 pounds and the HK416D weighs 7.04 pounds.
 
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Seventh Sonstein said:
Something random I've been wondering. Why is the HK416 so much heavier than DI ARs? Obviously the op rod adds weight vs. a gas tube but it can't be that much. For context the Daniel Defense MK18 weighs 5.88 pounds and the HK416D weighs 7.04 pounds.
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The quad rail on the 416 is heavy as fuck. LWRC 10.5" piston rifle is 6.5 pounds
 
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8mm Cunningham said:
I would like to keep it under $300. I will give it some range time, but for home defense I don't want to spend a ton. I'm not defending against packs of boar or anything.
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Mossbergs won't lead you astray. Something like a 500c in 20g would be fine, around 350 used. Other models might be cheaper.

A used glock for a pistol wouldn't be bad. You can usually find ex-LEO ones for relatively cheap.
 
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Troon_Patrol said:
One of my "bucket list" items, is a helicopter hog hunt.
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With a fuckin' M2. :semperfidelis:
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High-Impulse Weapon System
The High-Impulse Weapon System (HIWS), also known as the High Impulsion Weapon System and the Lacroix Samouraï 76mm Urban Warfare Weapon, was a prototype shoulder-fired 76mm breech-loading light cannon.

First revealed in 2000, the Lacroix Samouraï was created by Lacroix Pyro-Technologies (a company mostly known for producing military decoy systems such as flares and smoke dispensers) after five years of study, intended to be used by the French Army.

It was marketed by FN Herstal of Belgium, and was later rebranded by FN Herstal as the 76mm High Impulse Weapon System.[2]

Lacroix had plans for 84mm and 40mm variants of the HIWS, and had developed a 66mm version. It is unclear what the current status of the project is: little has been heard about it since 2006, and Lacroix's website has no mention of it.

Design details
The weapon uses 76.2mm fin-stabilized rounds weighing 3.3 pounds with a stated 2.2 pound "payload": it is not particularly clear what the payload was intended to be. Aimed at a high angle, the weapon was claimed to have a range of more than 700 yards. In a direct-fire role, the weapon's effective range was stated to be 300 yards.[2]

The weapon's recoil-reducing system was said to involve a material "developed for the space program" that was referred to as "Dynasoft".[note 1] When the weapon fires, the entire barrel and breech is allowed to recoil for 600 millimeters, supposedly absorbing much of the felt recoil through frictional dampening. At the end of its travel, the breech opens and the expended round is automatically ejected. The system lacks any backblast.

In actuality, the 76mm projectile's light weight for its caliber and low muzzle velocity are most likely the reason it is capable of being fired by an infantryman: with a muzzle velocity of only 100 m/s with a 3.3 pound projectile (about a quarter to a fifth of the weight of an average 76mm projectile), muzzle energy is about 7,500 joules, less then half the muzzle energy of a Barrett M107, but the momentum is four times that of the barrets 50cal projectile. Therefore, the "Dynasoft" recoil dampening is critical to be able to safely fire, since the recoil is very strong. The device requires some setup and training to fire without causing unintended injuries.
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WelperHelper99 said:
No clue what this would be used for in a military context with its velocity, but damn, I wanna shoot it
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Back when it was first designed the uses would be limited/specialized; but given recent advances in electronics & miniaturization, I'd think some air-burst, guided, or even cluster/multiple projectile capabilities would easily make up for a lack of raw velocity & range. Then when used in conjunction with drones & target designators, use it to accurately lob pretty sizable warheads over treelines, buildings, obstructions, etc, and guide them onto armor & trenches.

Sort of like a man-portable, shoulder-fired 76mm mortar system w/ multifunctional rounds. If they worked, it'd certainly be better than blindly launching mortar shells attached to RPG rockets.
 
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Pocket Dragoon said:
Back when it was first designed the uses would be limited/specialized; but given recent advances in electronics & miniaturization, I'd think some air-burst, guided, or even cluster/multiple projectile capabilities would easily make up for a lack of raw velocity & range. Then when used in conjunction with drones & target designators, use it to accurately lob pretty sizable warheads over treelines, buildings, obstructions, etc, and guide them onto armor & trenches. Sort of like a man-portable mortar w/ multifunctional, guided rounds.
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I guess with guidance fins, and if you arc'ed it right, you could get over some tall stuff without having to dig a pit for a mortar. Wrong time it was designed I guess
 
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WelperHelper99 said:
I guess with guidance fins, and if you arc'ed it right, you could get over some tall stuff without having to dig a pit for a mortar. Wrong time it was designed I guess
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I'd think something like adjustable venturis and/or micro-thrusters would probably work better than fins, given the fairly short & fat projectile dimensions & low velocity.
 
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Pocket Dragoon said:
but given recent advances in electronics & miniaturization, I'd think some air-burst, guided, or even cluster/multiple projectile capabilities would easily make up for a lack of raw velocity & range.
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I'm shocked nobody has tried to make a MGL/M32 work with smart munitions. Like the XM25 but less war-crimesy at 40mm.
 
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I am putting this post here and not in the guntuber thread because it is closer to industry drama than it is guntuber drama
There is some drama in the 3D Printed gun sphere, centered around a guy who goes by Derwood (now bear with me as I have to explain this guy's backstory to give this current situation context) online (But who's real name I believe I Darren Booth IIRC, not 100% sure about that. Wasn't doxed or anything just gave out his real name in an interview). Derwood a great many years ago designed a primarily 3D Printed pistol caliber carbine called the Shuty AP-9 which used a glock barrel in it's construction. The AP-9 would form the basis for the much more well known FGC-9 developed by Deterrence Dispensed design group which in addition to numerous minor dimensional changes utilized DIY ECM (think of targeted rusting of metal, actually works really well) barrels in it's construction. The release of the FGC-9 made Derwood shit a brick, He accused DD of stealing his design, He accused them of not giving him any credit for designing the AP-9 (this is patently false, Derwood is mentioned and credited several times in the official build instructions for the FGC-9) and some other things. Fast forward some time and Derwood joins up with the Weight Forward design group which is (I think) either is a subdivision of or affiliated with the AWCY Design group and gets to cranking out new designs, one of which is the King Cobra 9, which was advertised as utilizing a new, unique and patented delayed blowback mechanism, "Deleted Blowback". Turns out that this "Deleted Blowback" was a form of magnetic delayed blowback which didn't work and only succeeded in reducing slop between internal walls of the upper receiver and bolt but only for a few hundred rounds, He also manufactured and sold King Cobra bolts, refusing to open source the design. When this was revealed people tore into Derwood mocking him relentlessly, I think there was even a few projects to opensource his retarded mechanism just to own him

Now, the current drama.
Apparently Derwood is a fraud and his bolt design was stolen from some guy I've never heard of.
This bolt on the left of this image is claimed to have been produced by user "v555's" of the not defunct Deterrence Dispensed Keybase while the one on the right is Derwood's King Cobra-9 bolt
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This image was posted on X to expose Derwood, presumably after seeing the post or being informed of it, he messaged the author on discord and began threatening to sue, because apparently the guy who exposed him is going to be selling his totally original design? (I can find no mention of this
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Rent Tin said:
While I wouldn't recommend it, If you REALLY want a shotgun, then get the Maverick.
If my spiel convinced you, then try something from Canik (TP9 variants), CZ P-10, PSA Dagger, a used full size or compact Glock.
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I agree with this man on polymer framed CZs being worth looking at. They can be found quite inexpensively used and I guarantee you they function well. The parts/accessories aftermarket for them is plenty healthy.

I disagree with him on why you should rely on a pistol. A shoulder-fired weapon is not only much more lethal, it's easier to use well (accurate fire on intended targets). He's not wrong about everything; buckshot can and does penetrate walls. I argue that stopping a threat should be your primary concern here. Training and practice can get you the capabilities you need to confidently engage opponents in your home without needlessly endangering everyone in the vicinity. You can mount a light to your shotgun (you should have WMLs on all your long guns, IMO), and you can use a sling to free up hands if you need to.

You don't need to take my word for it. Ask @Club Sandwich. Sounds as if he spent some time shooting people inside of structures and also got some trigger time with the HK416 rifles (lucky fucker).

For shotguns, I've seen Mossberg 590s used for a little over $350 with taxes in my area. I don't have trigger time on a 500 or a Maverick 88 so I can't speak to their reliability.

Slight tangent: if you ever have some money to spend and want a fucking banger of a pump action, look for a used Remington Wingmaster from the 60s and 70s. Especially if their finish is still good you really can't go wrong. Cadillacs of the 870s series.

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Benelli Super Nova is $450 brand new.
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The only Benelli I have trigger time on is that M1 Super 90. Are the Super Novas any good? More importantly, can they beat an older Wingmaster?
 
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