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Mega Rad Gun Thread
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Honestly, aside from that one component, neither of those haggard hunks of metal share much resemblance besides being a bolt for a firearm; or is the one guy claiming that anything incorporating "magments" is infringing on his idea/copywrite? I'd think unless either can prove to the US Patent Office that his chunk of metal & the idea predates the other, anything said on the boards or X-Twitter is just autistic shit-flinging. Which isn't an unusual thing in that community, it seems like.
Is there any way to verify that user "v555" designed & machined his bolt before the KC-9 existed, and that it substantially operates in the same way? I can think of multiple ways "magments" could be implanted in a lot of different bolts; to try delaying opening, reducing bolt bounce, overtravel, friction, or even using electro-magments instead of weak-ass neodymium ones.
Honestly, aside from that one component, neither of those haggard hunks of metal share much resemblance besides being a bolt for a firearm; or is the one guy claiming that anything incorporating "magments" is infringing on his idea/copywrite? I'd think unless either can prove to the US Patent Office that his chunk of metal & the idea predates the other, anything said on the boards or X-Twitter is just autistic shit-flinging. Which isn't an unusual thing in that community, it seems like.
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Like I said I have never heard of the v555 guy before, HOWEVER, in the comments of the original X post Ivan The Troll (NaviGoBoom) is agreeing with the OP, this doesn't mean anything by itself but Ivan is the most prominent figure in the 3D Gun community.
Another thing Is that the earliest mention of the King Cobra 9 on Derwood' YouTube channel ("Derwoodwv") Is from two years ago and I believe (but my memory is fuzzy on specifics) that the Det Disp Keybase was shut down (by Keybase) sometime between Mid 2019-Early 2020. Kind of hard to claim something as your original invention when the guy who you allegedly ripped off would have to have done his work long before you published your first video on it.
Now I'm regards to patents and what not IANAL but I would assume Derwood's patent is an extremely narrow one granted on the basis of a supposed improvement if an existing concept (magnetically delayed blowback). I would say my assumption holds weight because the weirdo who runs Frytech put a magnetic "delay" mechanism in a modified FGC-9 and Derwood hasn't threatened to sue him ( Then again the Frytech guy hasn't pissed of Derwood, who is a bit oversensitive)
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You know, I thought the whole thing behind the 3D printed firearm community was about open-source sharing. As in this information is for everyone to use to prove gun control is pointless. There is nothing wrong with taking credit for a design but, getting hung up on credit seems counter intuitive to the whole concept of open source 3D printed guns. Besides didn't Stark get murdered? I'm not joking or being hyperbolic, the guy who created the FGC-9 was killed in a manner to make it look like it was a random health issue, "heart attack" IIRC.
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That's my thing too. Ain't no patents on this shit.
But also, clout is poison and I guess that's what it's about.
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I dug a little deeper and found that the source of this claim is that apparently a guy (the same guy linked in my original post) is manufacturing bolts(featured below) (which are to be for sale on the currently non existent website for FDMArms) for Designer Broken Bulletz's "BBG36" which is a 9mm PCC in the 3D Printed shell of a G36.
In response to the above X posts an account by the name of SG2020 made the following posts that the BBG36 bolt is a copy of the RTT9/King Cobra 9 Bolt (I am pretty sure both guns use the same bolt or a very similar model) and claims that FDM Arms persistently asked for drawings of the KC9 bolt but was repeatedly refused. Broken Bullets responds saying that he did in fact want to use the KC9 bolt in the BBG36 as a matter of convenience but a lack of drawings prevented this so he designed his own but admits it was largely based on the KC9.
1st SG2020 reply, stating that the BBG36 bolt is a copy of the RTT9 Bolt
2nd SG2020 reply, in response to a reply by FDM Arms inquiring as to whether or not SG2020 is implying that something has been copied or stole, SG2020 says that FDM Arms repeatedly asked for drawings of the RTT9 bolt and says that the BBG36 bolt is a copy of the RTT9 bolt
Broken Bullets Reply, where he says he initially wanted to initially use the RTT9 bolt but designed his own.
Broken Bullets Reply stating that the BBG36 bolt is based on the RTT9 bolt
Ivan states that the RTT9 bolt is wildly different than the BBG36 bolt because the BBG36 actually has a recessed breech face instead of a pin arrangement like that on the RTT9/KC9
The site is not allowing me to attach the image of the RTT9 bolt I wish to so I shall link the webpage where a larger version of the picture can be found for comparison, are these two different bolts (BBG36, top) and RTT9, bottom really that similar? Can anyone really claim to have exclusive ownership of a square PCC bolt?
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Besides what can you actually even patent?
It's a straight blowback 9mm bolt, the geometry has barely changed since the fucking MP18.
Ironically
>muh magnets
Is probably the closest thing he has to something he can patent, has anyone actually checked for what his patent is even supposed to be? Either way I look forward to a 3D printed manchildren lolsuit.
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I have always wondered, I get why these 3D printing guys are making lower receivers and even upper receivers but, why not just use a factory made bolt carrier group? Why not just find a cheap AR-9mm brand with a decent bolt and just use that? They are already using AR-15 FCG's and such and in some cases using parts kits.
Less than $100, heat treated, blued and ready to go.
Less than $100, heat treated, blued and ready to go.
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bolts are controlled items in some countries.
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Some of them are in Europe where things like bolts are already controlled, serialized parts.
Many others want to prepare for that eventuality here too.
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That is one of the founding ethos, However (and this is just my personal opinion which I think is a quite reasonable stance) I don't really see the issue with "silly" or "fun" designs like the BBG36 being closed source, because all it is a 9mm PCC in a mock up G36 Shell, which I don't believe really advances the cause of defeating gun control through the digital distribution of armaments especially when numerous other open source 9mm PCC designs exist.
Now in regards to Derwood Specifically it is complicated, the KC9/RTT9 is nothing special (the magnetic delay stuff simply does not work and what it does ie removing slop between the bolt and upper isn't really a game-changing feature and it only does so temporarily. But I have to admit I am biased against Derwood's closed source designs because he's just so pissy in his interactions.
Now for the real meat of this post
Suppressors, Business, The Military Industrial Complex and The Future
There will be a TLDR at the bottom
Yesterday TFB put out an article announcing the release of the Buck 30 Suppressor from Silencer Central, the Buck 30 is a Stainless Steel, Tubeless, 8 baffle, 6.9in long, 1.54in Diameter, .300 Win Mag rated suppressor with an MSRP of $699. Now what popped out the most to me in the article is who the Suppressor is being made in partnership with, none other than Buck Commander. What is Buck Commander? It is a subsidy of Duck Commander which was started by Phil Robertson (yes THAT Phil Robertson, Patriarch of the Robertson Family who most Americans know of from the now cancelled TV Show Duck Dynasty). Now why is this interesting? Because a company that mainly sells equipment that is targeted towards who many would consider to be Fudds is now somewhat involved in the big bad assassin tube market. I believe this could be indicative of the beginning of a larger cultural shift towards the mainstreaming of Suppressor ownership that coupled with extensive ASA Lobbying, Post Bruen Lawfare and popular demand could eventually result in Suppressors being deregulated or at least removed from the NFA and treated as traditional firearms, only requiring a Background check.
I also base this assumption on the somewhat recent mass adoption of Suppressors by the US Army and Marine Corps, The Sig HLX and KAC NT4 respectively, No longer will Suppressor usage be largely relegated to Special Forces, Now all Combat Arms members will get one. In some aspects Civilian gun culture is downstream of Military trends (and in some cases it is the complete opposite). Much like how the GWOT alongside the expiration of the 2004 AWB and Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare propelled AR-15 pattern rifles to be America's most beloved Semi automatic rifle, I predict that a downstream effect of the mass adoption of Suppressors for use with the common Soldier or Marine will within 10-15 years result in a favorable cultural shift towards and increased demand for them
The Gun Industry as everyone also can guess has a massive financial incentive to push as hard as they can for suppressor deregulation. Lets look at the facts, Suppressors are not a complex good to manufacture, they have been manufactured since 1909/10, they are only as expensive as they are due to regulations and comparatively low demand. For example, Aero Precision recently put their Lahar 30 suppressors on sale for $300, while I am not an expert in industrial or product design I would wager to guess that after Material costs, Labor etc the construction costs for a Lahar 30 is somewhere in the range of $75-100 but would drop with deregulation, if the NFA were not an issue Aero could (again another assumption) pump out 100,000 a year, assuming an MSRP of $200 per suppressor that is $20M USD in sales.
TLDR: I believe the stars are beginning to align on Suppressor deregulation, I don't think it will necessarily happen soon, but I do believe it will happen and I would be surprised if it doesn't happen by 2040.
Also, 3D Printed belt fed Gatling Gun that uses AR barrels and modified bolt assemblies
Many more images are available in the reddit thread but I didn't want to clutter up this already massive post all that much more
The Designer, Nopel who is also working on a Roller Delayed belt fed 9mm called the RBC-9 which I believe uses an entirely DIY roller delay mechanism says that the design is 90-95% complete
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for me, a loaded mag is already inserted in my preferred "night stand gun", with an empty chamber. otherwise mags are unloaded and on a shelf or in a drawer. popular are a magnetized strip mounted to velcro or something, or plastic stackable parts bins which are cheap, brightly colored for identification by caliber, manufacturer, compatible gun, et c, and has a spot for a label.
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What's hilarious about the marine corps adopting the nt4 for their m27s is that a)the 416 originally was designed to run unsuppressed b) the nt4 doesn't run with the 416 at all. If you look at photos of Delta running 416s in the aughts they're all running unsuppressed for that reason. Eventually they got the Surefire FA556-212 but a lot of operators still hate the 416
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Speaking of Suppressors, I somehow missed this, The Surefire SOCOM RC3 Flowthrough sound suppressor has been leaked and looks to have an announcement date of October 12th of this year.
Specs
-"60%" Lower backpressure (Compared to what?)
-"Unmatched Flash Reduction" (Again compared to what? an RC2? a Huxwrx?)
-Uses "Legacy" RC2 Muzzle devices.
-100% Inconel construction, Laser Welded and 3D Printed.
-1.5in Diameter, 6.3in Length, 17oz (same as an RC2) weight
-I'm hearing an MSRP of $1700 but at least one online shop is taking preorders at $1300 so I dunno.
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Also a collection of Bullpup PSL's from Syria's Idlib Province
Specs
-"60%" Lower backpressure (Compared to what?)
-"Unmatched Flash Reduction" (Again compared to what? an RC2? a Huxwrx?)
-Uses "Legacy" RC2 Muzzle devices.
-100% Inconel construction, Laser Welded and 3D Printed.
-1.5in Diameter, 6.3in Length, 17oz (same as an RC2) weight
-I'm hearing an MSRP of $1700 but at least one online shop is taking preorders at $1300 so I dunno.
Imgur Links to the below images
Also a collection of Bullpup PSL's from Syria's Idlib Province
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Bought bunch more bird shot loaded some anti deer rounds. Hunting season starting soon. Can't wait to get some game in the freezer.
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Surefire without a doubt makes good cans, but know that Huxwrx already has this tech on the market. If you wanted this type you can get them now for reasonable prices. I've heard good things about them from a few friends that run them.
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The USMC was conned into the 416 by a paid H&K shill.
Anyway, there are (slightly) better piston driven ARs on the market, LMT or LWRC comes to mind.
If you consider the MCX to be a piston AR, then that's the gold standard at this point.
Even then, DI ARs are lighter and essentially as reliable.
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Revolver guy, but I usually keep the cylinder loaded and speed strips besides it with trusted ammo. They shouldn't wear out like magazines, so it's pretty simple.
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Springs wear out by being cycled through their range of motion, not by being loaded or discharged for long periods of time. Actually firing off the rounds and reloading the magazines causes fatigue cycles more than keeping the thing packed for even months or years at a time.
E; I'd like to amend this slightly, spring steel is a very cool and based material, the conditions where it would fail catastrophically or in function would be US issue STANAGs that have been in use since fucking Grenada as training magazines, your general purpose magpul springs fresh off the factory have a fatigue life measured in years if not decades.
E; I'd like to amend this slightly, spring steel is a very cool and based material, the conditions where it would fail catastrophically or in function would be US issue STANAGs that have been in use since fucking Grenada as training magazines, your general purpose magpul springs fresh off the factory have a fatigue life measured in years if not decades.
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