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Also the final Twilight book - Midnight Sun - is actually very interesting. I'm a sperg so I'll read basically anything and everything with no issue. I didn't really like the Twilight series, but Midnight Sun is from Edwards POV and he's a complete psychopath. Every moment he's near Bella he's about a second away from murdering her. Which means when he tells her to get fucked, and leaves town it's not so much a dick move, as it is Dracula telling Renfield to seek therapy, and then going away without hurting Lucy and Mina.

EDIT: I don't know enough about female artists to say, but it does seem a lot of them are very inwardly narcissistically focused. Might just be that they are artists though.
 
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@The Heartthrob, I only ever read one Toni Morrison book, Possessing the Secret of Joy, I really enjoyed it, very trippy. I've read lots of fiction by female authors, they are just rarely as good as their male counterparts. Or they just create skinsuits like JK Rowling.

Edit- I read the shit out of the first two Hunger Games books, I just wish I hadn't ruined it by reading the third book which, bar the ending, is one of the worst books I've ever read.
 
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I've noticed women can be ok at horror and crime shit, and they tend to have a certain voice about it. Maybe that's a reflection of the fact they're neurotic about slightly different stuff than men are.

I can't really say exactly which ones because my brain refuses to record literature beyond a vague synopsis associated with a title, but I know my brain thinks that for some reason. I think at least in terms of crime that Agathy Christie lady was very well known, I know a woman wrote The Haunting of Hill House.

That's the type they seem to excel at, like kind of depressing domestic horror. Like I said I don't have developed literary opinions to articulate what I mean, but you know it when you see it.
 
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Jones McCann said:
Has anyone ever noticed the lack of creative women, especially in writing? I can't name a single female author besides Jane Austin, and she's a horrible writer. It seems like 99% of what women are capable of writing about is strictly men and relationships, they're obsessed bros. I don't even hate all women, only the fat ones.
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The rest of the thread has already pointed out that there are plenty of notorious female authors, but I've been thinking about this as I'm going through the works of Ursula K. Le Guin. She's the only female fantasy and sci-fi author with an impressive track record, especially back in her era, and I also think the clear best American fantasy writer (at least in terms of prose and worldbuilding). Her later books are more feministy, but the early stuff is indistinguishable from Tolkien in style and subject matter.

Why is there only one? Where are the others?

I think it's because women cluster more around averages, which means there are fewer outliers in extreme talent and IQ--both of which are required for excellent, memorable speculative fiction. Also women are less attracted to that kind of fiction, which means fewer develop the skills required to tell those kinds of stories. There are plenty of great female essayists, non-fiction writers, and contemporary fiction or children's fiction authors, but spergs on KF are less likely to read that shit.
 
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Ultrapenguin said:
they're neurotic about slightly different stuff than men are.
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Men definitely like writing long, rambling, fart huffing dissertations on their own personal pet peeve lol. Modern science fiction is basically a triangle between three nerds going 'I like fascism' 'TECHNOLOGY CAN BE DANGEROUS!' and 'The future will fucking suck!' Which has formed the bedrock of basically all science fiction writing ever since.
Fantasy seems largely the same. One of my favourite trashy fantasy series is literally a western isekai, of a computer nerd arriving in fantasy land, using C++ as a way to parse magical spells into a workable coding language, which he uses to revolutionise the world, get himself a hot redhead to bang, and found magical microsoft lol.
EDIT: The newer releases have cringe try hard cover art.
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The old stuff is way better, look at this goofy fucking shit. Even in fantasy land this poor bitch has to put up with some dude trying to make her learn to code.
Best part is in the second book, where the wizards, upon realising that magic just got super easy, immediately start genociding all the fantasy creatures.
 
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Johan Schmidt said:
Men definitely like writing long, rambling, fart huffing dissertations on their own personal pet peeve lol. Modern science fiction is basically a triangle between three nerds going 'I like fascism' 'TECHNOLOGY CAN BE DANGEROUS!' and 'The future will fucking suck!' Which has formed the bedrock of basically all science fiction writing ever since.
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Not exactly the same thing, but it makes me think of how repetitive Stephen King's writing is. One of the reasons I like Carrie so much is that she's one of the few protagonists that isn't a 30-40-something male teacher or writer.
 
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The Heartthrob said:
Not exactly the same thing, but it makes me think of how repetitive Stephen King's writing is. One of the reasons I like Carrie so much is that she's one of the few protagonists that isn't a 30-40-something male teacher or writer.
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They always say write what you know, which results in a lot of self published books being about mid 30's English teachers cheating on their wives while writing novels.
 
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I've read Frankenstein rather recently and liked it, actually.
That was written by a 19th century women, tough. The motivation for the monsters malice was described convincingly, and not being an inherent part of him because he was created as a men. Don't know if you can expect something like that from modern writers.
 
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kainvnod said:
I've read Frankenstein rather recently and liked it, actually.
That was written by a 19th century women, tough. The motivation for the monsters malice was described convincingly, and not being an inherent part of him because he was created as a men. Don't know if you can expect something like that from modern writers.
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Would you believe me if I said what inspired Mary Shelley to write that book was watching an exhibition where a guy abused a corpse with electricity?
 
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I think people should read both fiction and non-fiction and as widely as possible. I'm contemplating reading back through The Black Company books as I wait for the next Red Rising book, I'm currently reading a little book about breeding and philosophy and I forgot just how fucking dense academic writing, even when good, can be.

Sometimes you just need a break from real shit.
 
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Would you believe me if I said what inspired Mary Shelley to write that book was watching an exhibition where a guy abused a corpse with electricity?
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I remember her mentioning in the foreword it was written while she was in a writing competition, and the idea came to her in a dream.
But yeah, whatever. Inspiration comes from the craziest places, I guess.
 
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The rest of the thread has already pointed out that there are plenty of notorious female authors, but I've been thinking about this as I'm going through the works of Ursula K. Le Guin. She's the only female fantasy and sci-fi author with an impressive track record, especially back in her era, and I also think the clear best American fantasy writer (at least in terms of prose and worldbuilding).
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Le Guin is only OK to me, there are flashes of greatness in her writing, but the books I have read felt so dense, which is a pity because I really like her ideas. I haven't read Earthsong or whatever, I hear that's her best book.
 
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Margaret Weiss, who created Dragonlance alongside Hickman, is a great writer I'd recommend anyone interested in fantasy.

Pick up the Chronicles of the Dragonlance if you want a long but extremely satisfying read or do a quick delve with The Soulforged.

I can also recommend the first book of the Outlander series by Diana Gabaldon, the already mentioned works of K. LeGuin or Les Annés by Annie Ernaux, not science fiction like the rest but an enjoyable historical novel which I only found because it went famous. Maybe I should read more in French.
 
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