Don’t Celebrate When People You Disagree With Get Murdered

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Early Monday morning, 32-year-old Ryan Carson was stabbed to death at a bus stop in the Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood of Brooklyn. He and his girlfriend were on their way home from a wedding. She was forced to helplessly watch as a deeply disturbed stranger repeatedly plunged a knife into her partner’s chest.

You might think that the only possible response to this event would be some mix of sorrow and anger on behalf of Carson and his loved ones.

But you would be wrong. In view of many extremely online, spiritually unwell conservatives, Carson’s brutal death was a form of karmic justice. You see, the young man had advocated for safe injection sites after losing friends to opioid overdoses. And he dedicated his adult life to working on various left-wing causes, above all the promotion of recycling and environmentally friendly approaches to dealing with solid waste. And his girlfriend had advocated for police abolition. Therefore, Carson had reaped what he’d sowed. The far-right provocateur Mike Cernovich disseminated a surveillance video of Carson’s death, beneath the caption, “Hey bro just like chill out bro I’m on your side bro go attack the magats bro bro bro noooooo.” Other conservatives turned photos of Carson’s dead body into memes about the perils of wokeness.

Days earlier, the nihilist right greeted the murder of progressive Philadelphia journalist Josh Kruger with the same grotesque glee. Kruger overcame homelessness and drug addiction to become an employee of the city government, and then an activist and reporter. Kruger had argued that the prevalence of homicide in Philadelphia was dictated more by national trends than the conduct of local police. To some right-wing fanatics, voicing that opinion rendered Kruger worthy of death.

The moral obscenity and intellectual bankruptcy of this perspective may be too obvious to warrant elaboration. But on the off chance that there is someone out there who both (1) believes that Carson and Kruger died as a result of bad policies that they had imposed on their respective cities and, therefore, were responsible for their own deaths, and (2) is nevertheless amenable to reason, I’ll briefly explain why this point of view is sick and dumb.

For one thing, no set of criminal-justice policies could fully eliminate the existence of random homicides. So long as we live in a free society in which people are allowed to own sharp objects, stabbings will occur. Therefore, no individual homicide can prove anything in particular about what criminal-justice policy should be like. And even if this weren’t the case, as of this writing, there is no actual link between any progressive public policy and the killings of either Carson or Kruger.

In recent years, progressives in New York City successfully reduced the use of cash bail, an institution that effectively enables the wealthy to avoid imprisonment before trial while condemning the poor to incarceration before they’ve been found guilty of any crime. Many conservatives therefore suggested that Carson’s death was a result of cash-bail reform. But this claim has no factual basis. There is no public evidence that Carson’s killer would have been in jail but for the liberalization of New York’s cash-bail laws, which were partially reversed earlier this year.

Again, even if there were a demonstrable link between cash-bail reform and Carson’s death, this would not tell us whether ending cash bail is a worthwhile policy. Confiscating all privately owned assault weapons in the United States would reduce the lethality of some mass shootings. In the context of gun policy, however, conservatives insist that personal liberty must take precedence over the minimization of crime. If we must accept some tragic deaths to preserve the right to own an AR-15, then it doesn’t seem crazy to believe that we must do the same to preserve the right of the poor not to be imprisoned before being found guilty of a crime.

Some conservatives contend that anyone who endorses police abolition deserves no protection against violent crime, since such radicals wish to deny the broader population such protections. This is dubious moral reasoning. But it is also a misunderstanding of (what most activists mean by) police abolition. Almost no one endorses the elimination of all police tomorrow. Rather, police abolitionists typically subscribe to a utopian vision in which the necessity of policing is drastically reduced through egalitarian economic reforms, likely over a period of generations, while all remaining crime is handled by institutions of law enforcement so radically different from contemporary policing as to warrant another name.

Personally, I think we are always going to need state law-enforcement institutions that resemble contemporary police (though I think those institutions can and should be run in a far more equitable, nonviolent, and effective manner). And I also think that there’s significant empirical evidence to suggest that drastically reducing police head counts would lead to more violent crime.

Regardless, though, it simply is not the case that New York City or Philadelphia have implemented police abolitionists’ desired policies. Indeed, NYC has the most police officers per capita of any city in the United States. It also invests far less into public health insurance, jobs programs, education, child care, and other social services than police abolitionists recommend. Carson was not killed in a city that had embraced the radical left’s vision for criminal justice, but, rather, one that had thoroughly rejected it.

Given these realities, if you responded to Carson’s death by gloating on social media about how progressives were finally paying a price for their policies, then you were not speaking rude truths but, rather, repugnant bullshit. In most cases, conservatives were using their supposed concern for victims of violent crime as a rationalization for sadistically mocking a victim of violent crime whose politics they did not like. This behavior is not politically incorrect. It’s morally grotesque.

Faced with such criticisms, conservatives tend to invoke instances in which people on the left mocked the deaths of right-wingers. And it is true that many liberals celebrated the killing of January 6 rioter Ashli Babbit. Babbit’s case isn’t exactly analogous to Carson’s, as she was killed while trying to break into a legislature in a bid to block the peaceful transfer of power, while Carson was simply trying to get home. Nevertheless, it was morally wrong for liberals to make fun of a woman who’d been killed as a result of her indoctrination into a political cult while her loved ones were still in mourning. And I said so at the time.

There are a million ways to criticize political ideas and movements that you do not like. Gloating over the violent deaths of people you disagree with is among the most vile and ineffective ways of doing so. You will not persuade anyone that your side has moral authority on questions of crime by publicly mocking a murder victim.
 
I think this is a big reason why this culture war will continue to spiral out of control, for years the left has made fun of and ridiculed the death of conservatives - with two of the most popular subreddits being r/HermanCainAward and r/LeopordsAteMyFace, even Ryan himself posted on Twitter making fun of the deaths of conservatives - yet this author writes like the left has never done these things. I've seen this kind of sentiment on reddit as well - I'm active on a lot of different forums of differing political beliefs to try and get an understanding of where everyone is coming from - people will just excuse their side behaving like this while acting like conservatives are ghoulish and have gone insane. It's abhorrent gaslighting and there's no sense of playing "fair" anymore, the left just seems to break these rules and then when the seal is broken and conservatives follow suit the left shrieks and throws up their hands. As long as people behave in this duplicitous and feminine "mean girl" way, reaching a resolution for this will be hopeless.
 
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Don’t Celebrate When People You Disagree With Get Murdered
Agreed. I have no ill will towards those I disagree with.
I do have plenty, nay, all of the ill will in the world towards those who hate me, my home, and my way of life and seek to subvert and destroy everything I prize. I'll get another Black Label tomorrow just to toast at the death of journo faggots.

And that includes the author of this tripe, who makes no effort to frame the fuckers as left-wing idealists and their opposition of dehumanized scum.
Pick a side; am I scum or not? And if I am, then why are you against me jeering and laughing at your gay dead nigger-lover friends?
 
She was forced to helplessly watch as a deeply disturbed stranger repeatedly plunged a knife into her partner’s chest.
She was forced by her actions, her partner's actions, and the policies they support. Ie, being out at 3am, interacting with a feral undergoing a mental health crisis, and not carrying a pistol. Not that it might have helped once, as he's already in engagement range.
To some right-wing fanatics, voicing that opinion rendered Kruger worthy of death.
Not worthy of death per se, but more laughing at the synchronicity of the events.
both (1) believes that Carson and Kruger died as a result of bad policies that they had imposed on their respective cities and, therefore, were responsible for their own deaths
They were.
And even if this weren’t the case, as of this writing, there is no actual link between any progressive public policy and the killings of either Carson or Kruger.
there may be no direct link, but i can notice patterns and extrapolate data.
There is no public evidence that Carson’s killer would have been in jail but for the liberalization of New York’s cash-bail laws, which were partially reversed earlier this year.
Perhaps not them but numerous other repeat offenders get discussed here.
Almost no one endorses the elimination of all police tomorrow
Doubt.exe
 
I'm about 99% certain that Kruger died because he screwed some guy's boyfriend, gave them the HIV, and the guy broke in and shot him like half a dozen times in the stomach.

Or it had something to do with the meth the cops found in his bedroom.

Either way, Clott Adams is scoring wins lately, gotta give it to him. His deadpool streak is moving into Clinton-levels.
 
In view of many extremely online, spiritually unwell conservatives, Carson’s brutal death was a form of karmic justice.
A woman holding the bloodied effigy of Donald Trump's head is "empowerment"; conservatves framing a tragedy as a cautionary tale means they are "spiritually unwell", "morally obsene", and "intellectually bankrupt". What do the left knows about spirituality, morals, or intellect anyway?

Remember, the author belongs to the gang who pop out, without fail, after each school shooting, yelling at the top of the lungs that conservatives are complicit for murder. But when someone on their side died at the hands of their pet chimpanzees, it's "random homicide that no policy would have prevented."
 
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Grave-dancing is edgy try-hard shit. Imagine thinking someone dying of cancer or old age or whatever is a victory. Makes you look more pathetic than anything. There are people I don't respect that are dead, but I didn't go out of my way to post gay crab dancing gifs or whatever some of the lifleless terminally online retards would do.
 
Well, let's see what Mr. Carson had to say about gravedancing atop the fresh corpses of your political enemies before they're even buried...

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Lmao hell yeah, indeed! Fuck him, I'm glad he died while his girlfriend just looked on uncaring and all his '''''friends''''' can't even wait for his body to cool to start grifting off of his name. Frankly the only unfortunate thing about his demise is that the nigger who got him, got him good. Didn't look like he suffered for an agonizingly long time after that stab from the video footage, when he should have died screaming like so many victims of the policies he & his ilk push for have, and as all wokesheviks deserve.
You don't understand, everyone they disagree with os a fascist. So it's okay to mock their deaths.
 
What? We're just doing what you're doing! Celebrating whenever anything important to the non-left gets destroyed. Whenever someone gets accused or shut down by the system that you simply dislike for their politics. Or whenever a person who doesn't guzzle the red-kool aid gets beaten by your Antifa goons.

Bad things happening to bad people is always a cause to celebrate.
 
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