2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

Sinner's Sandwich said:
I'm pretty sure extremist jewish settlers played a giant role. They are ruthless and dangerous. I've read several articled from a few month before the attack that were warning that the situation is getting out of hand. Israel didn't do much to stop them from settling in places where Palestinians live and being annoying shitstains who burn down houses, mosques & cars, destroy olive trees (which are an income source for palestinians) and be violent. The guys were getting worse and worse over the years. Idk how many Kiwifarmers are even aware of this.
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I'm not saying omg poor Palestinians, I'm just saying that Israel made lots of people furious. It's no surprise that the attack happened.

Radical settlers trigger soul-searching in Israel
Palestinian fears grow amid rising Israeli settler attacks
Israel’s far-right government fans the flames of vigilante settler violence
Israel Cracks Down on Radical 'Hilltop Youth
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Maybe they should find new land. I am sure a lot of people would bankroll them.
 
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NIA-DOA 2.0 said:
Real talk: Every normie has a supposedly "strong stance" on the issue, but I honestly think no can walk me through the complicated history, key players, and, point blank, reason the whole fucking world gives this so much attention.
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Not really that complicated.

Very late 19th and into the dawn of the 20th century the lands of modern Israel where part of the Ottoman Empire, which was a shaky crumbling empire aka sick man of Europe

Jews are a small minority in whats then generally called Palestine(name given to the area by the Romans when Hadrian wiped out the Jews in the early 2nd century) but start emigrating there due to rise of Zionism thanks to crumbling Ottoman Empire

Ottomans lose WW1, British/French carve up the remains of the Ottoman Empire under "muh empire" idiocy, drawing a shitload of arbitrary lines on maps and grouping people within said lines, which is the direct cause for 50% of the problems we deal with today with anything ME/Muslim related

WW2 ends the UK now playing the role of the incompetently governed crumbling empire

Thanks to the Holocaust and UK being a crumbling empire governed by incompetents, Zionist Jews are basically given carte blanche to declare independence as Israel in 1947. Key thing to note here though is that then Israel's borders where significantly smaller than 2023's Israel.

Over the next 70 years, all of Israel's neighbors go to war with Israel numerous times, each time basically losing the war and land as a result. This is where you get the modern "Palestinians" aka the muslims in those lands that left after Israel conquered them. The "Palestinians" at various points where housed in Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt but eventually where all kicked out as they become to much of a problem eventually most ending up in the Gaza strip. A small piece of land thats part of Israel but is a defacto an autonomous region for Palestinians.

tldr palestinians are a mutt group of muslims the various surrounding muslim dont want at all but happily use them as a proxy to stir up shit with Israel. The Palestinians claim to the land is no more righteous or legit than thew Jews. Theyre peoples that essentially came into existence at the same exact time in the same exact area.
 
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So, big stupid question.
We have two situations right now in two parts of the world, israel and hamas, russia and ukraine.
It seems to me that russia and israel's positions are the same, they see land that they believe belongs to them, and are trying to take it by force.

The usa, however, seems to be backing different sides, ukraine in one instance and israel in the other.

Why is this?
 
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Everyone is bitching about savage Palestinians (they are extremely inbred, look it up) hurting innocent Israelis, but the truth is the vast majority of the Israelis killed and taken hostage were ultra Orthodox Jews living in illegal settlements bordering on the Gaza strip.

If I went and stole land in Africa, I wouldn't be shocked (SHOCKED!) when one day niggers tried to kill my family. It's a law of nature.

The Jewish settlers do not have the moral high ground. They are thieves. I don't feel sorry for them. Stealing land is wrong. They knew it wrong, and was a risk, but decided to do it anyway for financial or religious reasons.

Also I don't feel bad for Hamas either. They are inbred retards who also commit war crimes.

I pray the innocent are spared and only guilty blood is shed, but I know that's not how this works.

Raytheon and Goldman Sachs win in the end.
 
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Honestly, I've reached the "fuck 'em both" portion in caring about the Israel / Palestine conflict. I'm sick of us sending money to Israel on the whole (while our own border in the US is WIDE FUCKING OPEN AND NO ONE SEEMS TO GIVE A SHIT).

I'm sick of Hamas being terrorists and bullies. You lost. Get over it.
 
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NIA-DOA 2.0 said:
We really need a pinned reading list of the history of this conflict.

Real talk: Every normie has a supposedly "strong stance" on the issue, but I honestly think no can walk me through the complicated history, key players, and, point blank, reason the whole fucking world gives this so much attention.
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I liked this brief video on the Yom Kippur war, which helps frames things.

 
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N Space said:
Since the UK promised the land to both arabs and jews, I think they both have equal rights to the land. With that being said, I support Israel over Palestine (if it can even be said to exist) because one has clearly made better use of the land than the other.
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Why not force both sides to respect the UN mandate?
Just like in Kosovo. International peace keeping. Borders as per mandate. Populations transfers as needed. Chimping out, regardless of whom = big bonk over noggin+pacification.
Build large wall on border.
World will be far, far, far better and safer like this, for the minimal price of pissing off like 15M people.
Just let them seethe and use them as a showcase that we will not tolerate subhuman manifestations of violence.
 
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N Space said:
Why does the right (generally) supports leftist Israel but the left (generally) supports conservative Palestine?
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Probably goes back to the PLO, which was far more secularist. I assume everyone in change of funding leftie causes is an ageing boomer and they haven't moved on.

Here is a poster from the 1970s, for example:

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@Sinner's Sandwich

Not saying that settlers didn't contribute to the events, but those have been there for a long time, and not really in Gaza anymore. The whole geopolitical game with Saudi Arabia is new though, something that really only started this year. Given that the targets were very clearly civilians, Hamas probably wants Israel to completely chimp out and kill a bunch of Palestinians to rile up the Muslim world.
 
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NIA-DOA 2.0 said:
We really need a pinned reading list of the history of this conflict.

Real talk: Every normie has a supposedly "strong stance" on the issue, but I honestly think no can walk me through the complicated history, key players, and, point blank, reason the whole fucking world gives this so much attention.
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2000 years ago the Jews rose up against the Roman empire for the third time. Rome went full fucking scorched earth on them, killing all the rebels, exiling all jews and renaming Judea to Syria Palestine

Starting in the late 1800's Zionists came up with this idea of reclaiming what is currently Israel as their own homeland which they were totally entitled to because a book written thousands of years ago said it belongs to them. They did a couple of large migrations into Ottoman Palestine and then WW1 kicked off, ended, the Ottomans were gone and the British ended up with Palestine. There were more migrations and the British were caught right in the middle of a conflict between Jewish terrorists and Arab goatfuckers. WW2 happened and a shit load more Jews popped over to join in the party.
After a more and more fighting, a Jewish militant group captured and killed a couple of British sergeants, killed them and hung them from trees. This caused an uproar back in the UK and the British decided to GTFO and leave the Jews and Arabs to it. The Arabs fought as well as Arabs usually do and got BTFO, and ever since there's been a cycle of violence that doesn't seem to want to end.
 
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Ishtar said:
Strange-given that every decolonization activist on Twitter seems to think otherwise.
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Bruh. Twitter. Who give a fuck, less that 20% of Americans use it and the majority that do are there to grift or are bots.

Edit: nice edit but again, 18th and 19th century settlement/purchases are not the same as 20th century Western powers collectively creating and propping up a state the locals didn't want and want gone to this day.
 
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74164978231 said:
The "Palestinians" at various points where housed in Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt but eventually where all kicked out as they become to much of a problem eventually most ending up in the Gaza strip. A small piece of land thats part of Israel but is a defacto an autonomous region for Palestinians.
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This lie is so stupid I won't even type anything to refute it.

The only people that open their arms for jews to immigrate and settle where Muslims. But jews gonna jew. This is what Palestinians get for accepting them. The moment they gained numbers and weapons they cleansed whole villages, people they called neighbors and friends, to steal their lands. A lot of old Palestinians who survived these times still wear their houses keys on their necks.

It's a lesson if any is to be learnt.
 
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Hamas using world conflicts, distracted Israeli intelligence and military to stockpile shitton of rockets for one last hail Mary. Iran backed sand dindus lack capacity to counter western sponsor led military, drone and mechanised squad, Hamas isn't stupid enough to taunt Israel to glass whatever is left of Palestine, right?
 
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