2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

It is being reported that there are dozens of US citizens being held in Gaza. What are the odds of US military involvement?
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It probably increases the liklihood, but I would not expect any sort of direct US Intervention. The US has always tried to pretend to be an impartial arbiter in the Arab-Israeli wars (its not tho). If the US were to get directly involved even that fig leaf would be gone. The benefits are far exceeded by the consequences.
 
This is allegedly a photo of the attendees.

Yeah it ain't hard to say that's from anywhere. I'm going to hold fire on that report until there is some legitimate confirmation. It really would not make sense why 250 at that single location would die; it was a party, not a barracks or installation, in the wide open, too. I wouldn't think that was their priority to kill people at that party, perhaps to obtain prisoners yes because they'd mostly be easy to round up and be relatively unarmed.

But killed? 250? At that single rave? Nah, I ain't saying it is false, but I'll await a more conclusive report from some better media sources.

And it is official, Israel has Declared War. Not "at war", but a declaration of war. Entirely different animal.
 
Jews are naturally weak and cowardly. They all want to be pilots because it's the most cowardly position a warrior can be in.
I'd like to say thats factually incorrect. Pilots have to be fearless, one moment of hestitation could cost your life.
The probability to survive a war is lowest in submarine and air forces.
It seems contra-intuitive because you instinctively feel more safe when sitting inside the cockpit of a heavily armored machine.
Ackchually, the infantry man and artillerist have the highest survival rate in an armored combat.
 
it was a party, not a barracks or installation, in the wide open, too. I wouldn't think that was their priority to kill people at that party, perhaps to obtain prisoners yes because they'd mostly be easy to round up and be relatively unarmed.
There was a first hand account (Edit: Technically the stuff about the traffic jam is not first hand but what the person heard from others) that basically at one point a lot tried to flee and there was a massive traffic jam and Hamas just gunned the people down in their cars and running away from their cars. Source
That could easily add up to 200 casualties.
 
250+ dead at the music festival.
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Music for peace indeed, LOL.
It looks like the Internet victim campaign on behalf of Palestinians has failed already.
The left are unable to agree what to do as it seems the Muslims killed a lot of LGBTQ at that festival.
Not everywhere, I've seen polititians on other European countries that I can only classify as communist that are still wailing with the same shit about how palestinians dindu noffing without skipping a beat. To make it clear, I'm in "glass all of the middle east, save yourself a lot of grief" territory, but I cannot for the life of me understand why there is such a huge defense for from the identity politics side for savages that would never adapt to their gay space communism utopia. But I'm at a point that I just default to might is right, I don't give a shit if something or other was yours, I only care if you are able to take it and keep it and everything else is just whining in the hope to drum sympathy so that someone will do it for you.

Now some relevant discussion to the topic. So at first I was convinced that Mossad basically left this happen, but then a buddy explained to me that Israil just lost a ton of crops from this (in the desert no less) AND the people that knew how to fucking grow them. The material losses are too big for a "pearl harbor" scenario to give them a casus belli to turn Gaza into glass. So did the Israeli military force just become complacent and is the same shit that the US and Europe is even though they are in actively hostile land? I did also hear that they were expecting an attack from West Bank and completely got blindsided by it.

On the other hand, there is a lot of Palestinians living in Israel, but where did they come from? Did they stay from annexed land or is it a "cheap labor" sort of deal? Israel is allowed to have a fucking border and they don't give a shit about the optics, so I'm surprised they ended up with such big numbers. From talking with my buddy he says it's from people that stayed during one of the annexations and that they had a good relation, so I can only assume it was them running from standard sandnigger behavior only to discover that their children were the sandniggers all along, but any sort of extra details would be nice.
 

This is supppsed to be a live conflict map in case one hasnt been posted yet. Seems to be pooling info from a ton of different sources (social media, text alerts, news stories etc) into one comprehensive feed. Unsure how accurate all info coming in would be though. Its all so utterly horrifying.
 
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Now some relevant discussion to the topic. So at first I was convinced that Mossad basically left this happen, but then a buddy explained to me that Israil just lost a ton of crops from this (in the desert no less) AND the people that knew how to fucking grow them. The material losses are too big for a "pearl harbor" scenario to give them a casus belli to turn Gaza into glass. So did the Israeli military force just become complacent and is the same shit that the US and Europe is even though they are in actively hostile land? I did also hear that they were expecting an attack from West Bank and completely got blindsided by it.
I am always very skeptical of conspiracy theories since in 90% of cases they are just pure cope to shed responsibility or to deny the truth. And in this case I don't see why the IDF and the Mossad couldn't just have been complacent. It has happened to them before in 1973.
 
Yeah it ain't hard to say that's from anywhere. I'm going to hold fire on that report until there is some legitimate confirmation. It really would not make sense why 250 at that single location would die; it was a party, not a barracks or installation, in the wide open, too. I wouldn't think that was their priority to kill people at that party, perhaps to obtain prisoners yes because they'd mostly be easy to round up and be relatively unarmed.
Please see
Compilation video of the music festival massacre


I don't see why you think it's super absurd that a bunch of retards assumed a music festival would have bullets sprayed into it. Probably thought it was all Israel young adults and was like "lol this will show them a thing or too."
 
People also act like there is no way this could not have been planned without extensive knowledge of everyone involved, but from what I have seen the goal of the invasion wasn't outright victory, or taking and holding territory. It was to just zerg rush across and cause as much mayhem as possible. In that scenario there does not need to be extensive command and control. A dozen senior commanders would have been enough to plan it all out, and then when the Balloon went up they just phoned all their subordinates and told them to grab all the local Haaji's off the street, point them towards Israel and Durka Jihad mother fucker.
 
I am always very skeptical of conspiracy theories since in 90% of cases they are just pure cope to shed responsibility or to deny the truth. And in this case I don't see why the IDF and the Mossad couldn't just have been complacent. It has happened to them before in 1973.
There have been too many conspiracies that turned out to be dead on recently for me to take that stance. But in this case, once you look into the details, the infrastructure cost is obscene. I just find it surprising since Mossad has always seemed like the most competent of the glow in the darks, but guess even they can fuck up hard.

My other question is what's the plan after this from Gaza, I mean, they must expect a retaliation, war has been declared, how can they capitalize on it, specially with how the "optics" will make it very hard to moral fag about going after them? Or does this one also fall on "keep it simple stupid" and it's just a sandnigger moment where they saw an opportun

Also, fuck the troons or whatever the fuck is doing these DDOS attacks, Christ almighty what a convenient time to go on a hard attack.
 
My other question is what's the plan after this from Gaza, I mean, they must expect a retaliation, war has been declared, how can they capitalize on it, specially with how the "optics" will make it very hard to moral fag about going after them? Or does this one also fall on "keep it simple stupid" and it's just a sandnigger moment where they saw an opportun
As many have said on here before, it is very doubtful whether they have any long term plan at all.
But you have to keep in mind that in the past both the US and the EU always asked Israel to show restrain. This time however there is way too much gruesome social media content and death to make that politically feasible. I wouldn't be completely shocked if the hamas leadership simply didn't count on that.
 
There have been too many conspiracies that turned out to be dead on recently for me to take that stance. But in this case, once you look into the details, the infrastructure cost is obscene. I just find it surprising since Mossad has always seemed like the most competent of the glow in the darks, but guess even they can fuck up hard.
Its highly doubtful Mossad would have ever just "let" something like this happen for "reasons". Heads are going to roll at Mossad and the IDF once its all over.
 
gonna be real hard to ever politically support palestine for Americans now

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The Palestinians are going to be taking a curb stomping, and it's going to be really hard for them to play the victim after the savagery the world has witnessed.

In their lust to slaughter Jews, I think they overlooked the PR situation this is going create.

Their victimhood status has been their best defense, and they seem to have squandered it in an orgy of public brutality.
I've been seeing people like Mia Khalifa honestly defending the Palestinians going around being assholes, so I'm not sure this would really change much about people's attitudes about Israel. There's a lot of people that think if you're 'oppressed' then you can engage in any act of brutality you feel like and still be the victim. There's also a lot of those pro-Russia accounts like Syrian girl talking of how the Palestinians dindu nuffin and they be good boys.

So while Israel will feel fine doing a counter offensive, the PR situation for both sides will probably be unchanged. Israel may even get demonized in the long run for wanting to kill some kidnappers and rapists.

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The out of touch boomers strike again!
Maybe I am just being autistic and they obviously would have counted that in. But yesterday was by far a record for gruesome social media content in a single day. Not during the ISIS days or the start of the Ukrainian- Russian war have we seen so much blatant war crimes on social media.

I am not sure everyone was aware that would happen and what it does to public opinion.
 
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