Diseased Sanctioned Suicide - "Kill yourself" but unironically with sodium nitrite. Higher death count than the Farms. Targeted by parents, legislators, and journalists looking to alter Section 230.

[ADF4351]

Apparently because of the Times piece from December, members of Congress are now bothering Amazon because people can just buy sodium nitrite off their platform. They're also going after other sellers like EBay, and Etsy who already banned selling SN. People in the United Kingdom are getting in on the screeching action too.

Seriously fuck these people for making basic chemicals even harder to get for hobbyists. Hobby chemistry has become almost impossible since the terror-scare and the meth crisis. And now these useless loosers are making the situation even worse. Ignore the millions of people who have genuine uses for chemicals like sodium nitrate, one whiny degenerate used it to kill himself and now its banned for everyone. Its so infuriating!

 

[AnOminous]

Ignore the millions of people who have genuine uses for chemicals like sodium nitrate, one whiny degenerate used it to kill himself and now its banned for everyone. Its so infuriating!

Pedantic post, but it's nitrite, not nitrate.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

I never wish for people to kill themselves but holy shit this person is so fucking toxic. I truly cant begin to imagine the amount of people she's pushed over the edge. View attachment 5398679

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It actually doesn't seem that odd that some users accumulate a decent post count and just kinda stick around not roping. Some people struggle with depression, ideation and intrusive thoughts for many years and there really isn't anywhere else to express it, that kinda posting would be clowned on or considered annoying on any other forum.

Funeralcry though should be told to do a flip or stfu already. This seems like an autistic person thats hyperfixated or have some sexual fetish for it, it doesn't even seem they are engagin anyone in good faith, its just one sided stream of conciousness dumps.

 

[Harlow]

You made me curious just how chatty they are on there and she's been registered for 1110 days with 28,573 posts so 25 posts a day for 3+ years. Jesus. I totally understand spending a lot of time there to wallow in your pain but thats prolific.

 

[Manul Otocolobus]

The funny part is, for the frequent posters like FuneralCry, if someone murdered them, and staged it to look like a suicide, no one would second guess it.

 

[AnOminous]

The funny part is, for the frequent posters like FuneralCry, if someone murdered them, and staged it to look like a suicide, no one would second guess it.

I actually would be suspicious, because if someone this vocally suicidal hasn't done it, well, why not? This person seems a lot more interested in getting OTHER people to kill themselves.

 

[Cyberpunk Panatela]

ash started as a group to discuss the (probably apocryphal) idea of a spike in suicides around the holidays before it turned into what it became.

It had a certain degree of media notoriety after some fairly prominent deaths, most notably Suzy Gonzales.

Wasn't aware of the origins - I mainly used alt.drugs.hard, which occasionally got crossposts with those two groups (generally of the "how much heroin is a lethal dose?" type).

Peak journalistic commitment to the "facts" in that hitpiece you linked - a.s.h is a "website", apparently.

I wondered whether Google censored their Deja.com archive of those groups like they did to a.d.h in 2017 (deleted the whole thing and straight out lied about it, blaming the loss of the archive on the guy who started the group for "only keeping one copy of the group on a single computer which got corrupted") so I went and had a look.

Not quite, but close:



a.s.h: https://archive.md/qv7oe
a.s.m: https://archive.md/5SjPq
"new" a.d.h*:https://archive.md/7uFvJ

*For those too young to have used Usenet, Google deleting their archive of alt.drugs.hard didn't remove it as a group, as they don't own Usenet.

People kept on posting there (although most of the old users left and there was an influx of trash posting OT stuff). Google automatically archived these new posts and they were still visible last year.

Fuck the Press and fuck Google.

 

[Molesting the Decapitated]

the real reason why FuneralCry has an unhinged fetish for suicide, as seen from some of her earliest posts on SS and tinnitus

Kind of convinced now that FC is not some weird fucked up troll after seeing that Tinitus Talk profile. Ive heard from countless accounts that severe tinnitus is unbearable constant torture. I kind of have sympathy for them if anything now

 

[Manul Otocolobus]

Kind of convinced now that FC is not some weird fucked up troll after seeing that Tinitus Talk profile. Ive heard from countless accounts that severe tinnitus is unbearable constant torture. I kind of have sympathy for them if anything now

The thing is, it is treatable, even if it means fairly radical surgery (such as invasive neurosurgery to sever the auditory nerve on the impacted side of the head). There is no such thing as "untreatable" tinnitus. Tinnitus is always peripheral, there is no such thing as central tinnitus. There are, of course, severe iatrogenic adverse effects as a result of this type of treatment (complete, untreatable unilateral deafness), but if the tinnitus is that severe, I would do it.

 

[Molesting the Decapitated]

The thing is, it is treatable, even if it means fairly radical surgery (such as invasive neurosurgery to sever the auditory nerve on the impacted side of the head). There is no such thing as "untreatable" tinnitus. Tinnitus is always peripheral, there is no such thing as central tinnitus. There are, of course, severe iatrogenic adverse effects as a result of this type of treatment (complete, untreatable unilateral deafness), but if the tinnitus is that severe, I would do it.

I looked into a lot about tinnitus treatment last night and from what I gathered there technically is no real definitive cure. Depending on what the cause is, but within recent years there seems to be new methods being developed. I couldn't imagine living life with that physical health problem though. I remember once I saw Dying Fetus live without earplugs many years ago and my ears rang for like 2-3 full days after, it was dreadful. I couldn't even begin to bear to live a whole life like that.

It's very easy to commit suicide, you only need the will to do it.

No? it is absolutely not "very easy to commit suicide".

 

[Manul Otocolobus]

I looked into a lot about tinnitus treatment last night and from what I gathered there technically is no real definitive cure. Depending on what the cause is, but within recent years there seems to be new methods being developed. I couldn't imagine living life with that physical health problem though. I remember once I saw Dying Fetus live without earplugs many years ago and my ears rang for like 2-3 full days after, it was dreadful. I couldn't even begin to bear to live a whole life like that.


No? it is absolutely not "very easy to commit suicide".

In a very technical sense the disorder itself has no direct, definitive cure. However, there are treatments that are curative. Cutting the auditory nerve does not treat the underlying cause of the tinnitus, but it does cure the syndrome tinnitus causes successfully. Is it the equivalent of amputating someone's leg to cure a broken ankle? Yes. But, again, when the patient is in extreme distress, the patient and physician agree that it is the only course of action to relieve the suffering, and it is technically curative, it should be considered. So, while the disorder has no direct cure, there are methods of treatment that are curative.

 

[AnOminous]

Peak journalistic commitment to the "facts" in that hitpiece you linked - a.s.h is a "website", apparently.

Yeah I didn't post it to endorse its contents but just because it was the most prominent article from that time.

Kind of convinced now that FC is not some weird fucked up troll after seeing that Tinitus Talk profile. Ive heard from countless accounts that severe tinnitus is unbearable constant torture. I kind of have sympathy for them if anything now

Yeah people shouldn't confuse severe tinnitus for the kind most of us have. I have a touch of it but literally don't even notice it except late at night and if I actually think about it for some reason. The static in my head is mostly mental.

While I am not a huge fan to tell the truth, I don't doubt she got dealt a raw deal.

 

[Molesting the Decapitated]

I wonder how many of the forum users who post those "CTB posts" actually end things up. My take - rarely any. Some posts and threads just reek of mental masturbation.

Lol this is retarded and a totally pathetic claim. There is countless confirmed users that ended their whole shit. Several of these confirmations are either backed up by admin confirmation, on-site friends they made or their press' obituary.

Nobody on the site just says they're about to CTB for no reason and doesn't (there's many posts that says they're thinking about it or will in the distant future but that's different). When failed attempts happen they update their thread that it didn't work. Their account gets banned anyway if there's reasonable cause to believe you're dead. Why the fuck would you want to get yourself intentionally banned just cuz "I wanted to pretend I killed myself on a site where people drop like flies on the regular". If you want to stop using SS you can just delete your acc

 

[Manul Otocolobus]

The general rule in psychiatry is that if they failed they never wanted to die in the first place. Getting it right isn't difficult, especially with all the information on the internet. The only people who fail and really did want to die are the ones that are generally kinda stupid because they didn't take the recoil of the gun into consideration and ended up blowing off 1/2 of their face instead of putting the bullet in their brain, etc... but those are rare exceptions. People that "try" and fail are usually well known attention seekers, typically have a personality disorder in cluster B.

 

[Mr.Miyagi]

The general rule in psychiatry is that if they failed they never wanted to die in the first place.

I'm not clinically licensed, but my understanding is that while this is a common popular interpretation, it is not part of any diagnostic or treatment criteria. Often times, the exact opposite is stressed, with patients/loved ones encouraged to seek intervention following any attempt, regardless of the method or its actual lethality. A psychologist may think you're full of shit for trying to kill yourself with a handful of aspirin, but he's required to take it as seriously as the guy who put a handgun into his mouth and lucked out when it jammed (lest he get fucked in the ass by a lawsuit/lose his license.)

Most people who attempt suicide only do it once. Some of those people make attempts solely for attention, but sometimes that desire for attention is because they feel that they simply have no solution available and previous attempts to seek help failed. If caught in a bear trap, choosing to gnaw off your leg for either escape or to bleed out are both preferable than starving to death.

But also, if you've attempted suicide once, your chance to die by a later attempt increases dramatically. It's not always that people survive because they secretly want to live, and others don't, and once they fail then it's over and they move on. Some people are just ignorant of the difficulty in actually reaching lethality with their attempt, thanks to things like your body's survival instincts fighting against you. You can read the PPH front to back as much as you like, but your baser brain bits are still going to do everything they can to get you to stop when you put the noose around your neck or the barrel against your head.

Given the impulsive nature behind most suicide attempts, many are likely made without the preparations and information necessary to succeed. For every one that goes and checks online on what's the best knot and rope to use, there's likely ten that just say "fuck it" and down whatever they find in their medicine cabinet, hoping for the best. Personally, I've felt that it would be beneficial for research and treatment to separate suicide into something akin to an acute/chronic analog, based on the impulsivity of the act and time between ideation and action, but I'm not familiar with any research supporting the distinction overall. Some studies look at this, but some just pull from sources where the only information is that someone died by suicide, along with the method. Unfortunately, trying to piece together how long they planned it after the fact can sometimes be impossible.

 

[Manul Otocolobus]

Of course it's not part of the treatment algorithm, and yes, the people that try and fail are taken seriously (for the frequent fliers this is more to cover your ass just in case they accidentally get it right eventually), but every hospital has it's known frequent fliers that slice 1/2 of one wrist or take a bottle of tums and say it is a suicide attempt.

 

[PHILLIP BANKS]

I still feel that to some extent the forum should not exist -- or it should, but under a different administration and with more solid rules. I get that society shouldn't treat suicide as some dark untouchable taboo, and I agree that for some people suicide is objectively good. But talking about suicide and really seriously contemplating its consequences is completely different to having fifty threads a day about how dark and meaningless life is and how human beings are inherently evil from the same ten anime profiles. If you want to have a woebegone pro-mope pro-misanthropy redditeur septic tank at least have the courage to admit that that's what it is -- an anti-recovery forum with mysterious acronyms for poisons and sources that can be cracked with five minutes of research. Like someone else said, a lot of people just log in, get their sodium nitrite plug, and log the fuck out.

Spoiler

I've been a member of that forum for quite some time now, but for many months I've stopped browsing it obsessively -- only logging in occasionally for the odd groan and retard-poking. I'm still as suicidal as ever and I'm still planning on going through with it, except that I'm just waiting for the final pieces of the plan to arrive. I feel that the forum does not represent me or my needs in the slightest. It feels inimical and needlessly immature with very few exceptions. But I am thankful for the one member who told me about the now defunct Imtime Cuisine.

I will pray for you dude, life is hard but think about it what if you kill yourself and reborn as a chink, pajeet or a nigger? If god doesent terrify you at least let this terrify you.

 

[AnOminous]

The general rule in psychiatry is that if they failed they never wanted to die in the first place.

I'd actually disagree because one of the most common causes of suicidal ideation is clinical depression, and clinical depression is often utterly crippling. Ironically one of the reasons SSRIs are associated with suicide is they lift the depression just enough that while you're still suicidal, you now have the energy to actually act on it.

This is also why bipolar is even more associated with suicide than depression, because you naturally cycle through these states, so the odds are pretty good that at some point you're both energetic and motivated enough to CTB and still want to.

Also people generally don't just want to die for the sake of dying itself, they just want the pain to stop. It's just that the only way out they see is death.

While I don't necessarily see suicide forums as an optimal solution, I think it is actively cruel to take away all outlets people in this situation have to express their feelings among others going through something similar. Yes, some of them are going to go through with it, even using methods they got from the forum. I think people have an ultimate right to their own lives, though, and even the choice of terminating them, even if others find their reasons irrational.

By and large these people aren't idiots. They're entirely aware of things like suicide hotlines. If they wanted one, they'd have called it.

 

[Manul Otocolobus]

I will pray for you dude, life is hard but think about it what if you kill yourself and reborn as a chink, pajeet or a nigger? If god doesent terrify you at least let this terrify you.

I'd never considered that. A strong counterargument to suicide.

 

[PHILLIP BANKS]

I'd never considered that. A strong counterargument to suicide.

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