Hila dials in from another room to talk about what's happening in Israel. There's an audio delay which makes it awkward.
Ethan provides the background context that Hamas invaded Israel and had killed at least 700 Israelis, and mentions the "peace party" and that a lot of people there would have been pro-peace and anti-Netanyahu. Hila concurs that they were all young and would have been unhappy with the government. Ethan goes on to talk about how the terrorists were going door to door to murder families and kidnap children. Hila was watching Israeli news and was hearing people calling in from safe rooms, whispering - they were calling the news because they'd called for help but nobody was coming to help them, and then their houses were being set on fire. Hila also talks about how Israelis were seeing family members get kidnapped from videos on social media, but had no official contact to tell them about it.
At this point the live chat is full of spam about "Free Palestine", "End Apartheid" and "Consequences of Colonialism". Ethan decides to clarify how he feels about the scenario "as a whole". He references a tweet he posted previously saying that he loves Israel, but also that far-right Israeli settlers are the biggest provocateurs in the world, Netanyahu is a war-monger, Hamas =/= Palestinians and that he just wants peace. He gives a shoutout for a twitter user who called him a Palestine supporter.
He talks then about how disgusted he was that before Israel had even responded, that a bunch of leftists posted "I stand with Palestine" and that he couldn't see how not to take that as "I stand with Hamas" since Israel was literally just counting corpses who'd been murdered in their beds - so it was just like people cheering on terrorists. He also alludes to several prominent lefties that outwardly don't care about dead Israelis civillians. He draws a comparison to how the US killed a lot of people in Iraq, so imagine if a bunch of Iraqi terrorists made it into LA and started killing everybody - who would go "I stand with the people of Iraq" right after that happened? That would be psychotic.
Hila talks about listening to a rave survivor who watched all of his friends die in front of him. They were all trying to hide and terrorists came and shot all of them point blank in the face, looking at them and smiling, dragging bodies while dancing and playing music, and it's an unspeakable act of barbarism. Ethan concurs and asserts that people's hate for Israel is clouding their vision and they're just supporting Hamas terrorism. He also stresses that the towns around Gaza were not settlements, as settlements are all in the West Bank and all the Gaza settlements were evacuated in 2005. Hila agrees that these were just normal people, some left wing, some right, but that so many people in Israel aren't happy with the government and have been protesting. The people who died weren't settlers, the settlers are like "the crazies" of Israel". (The chat is arguing with itself a lot now, with some people doing superchats to push e.g. "all of Israel is settlers")
Ethan goes on, that people make the point settlers aren't civillians because they're inserting themselves into a violent clash, and he agrees with that point to an extent. But people who are desperate to defend Hamas are claiming the victims were settlers, and that's not the case, and he's disgusted by the people going "LET'S GOOOO, I STAND WITH PALESTINE" when these were innocent victims.
It'd be like saying directly after 9/11 that you stand with Al-Qaeda. [
ed: was that a dig at Hasan?] He then dials back to the idea of Iraqis invading LA because "we did so much wrong shit to the Iraqi people". He calls out a hot take he's seen along the lines of "Libs are so excited for Palestinian rights, but when they do something about it then everyone pauses" - but he criticises the notion that murdering 700 civilians in the most horrific way possible is a proportionate way of "doing something about it". He again draws the comparison to if Iraqis invading LA and burning children alive and someone posting "I stand with Iraq!". You can stand with them and also condemn Hamas being a fucking monster but that's not what people want to do.
Ethan also observes Hamas are not freedom fighters as they also terrorise the people of Gaza. Hila observes that people are saying "that's what Israel are doing on the daily, that's what the IDF are doing on the daily" - Ethan says he's not denying that, but "are you willing to have an Iraqi terrorist cell to come to your neighbourhood? are you willing to sacrifice your life for what we did in Iraq? go ahead, I don't see the difference. America killed a million Iraqis; that's a hell of a lot more than the Palestinians who died at the hands of Israel". He still stresses that he supports Palestine, and that while Palestine elected Hamas in 2006 he doesn't think the Palestinians knew the severity of what they were voting for and there haven't been free elections since.
Someone in chat says "Gaza is an open air prison" so Ethan responds "Go sacrifice your family to fucking Iraqi terrorists if you care about freedom so much". Someone else says "Ethan please learn more about this" to which Ethan responds "Shut the fuck up". Hila chimes in to say he lived there for five years and he's married to an Israeli so he has more credibility talking about it than some random American (the chat had previously been asking Ethan to let Hila talk). "If you care about Palestine like you say then this is a really bad take", "What, saying burning families alive is a really bad take? Go see a doctor". He still concedes that the settlements are an act of war and cultural genocide and that it's horrific that Israel has suppressed Palestine. Ethan and Hila re-iterate that Netanyahu is a hated politician and there's been continual protests against his government.
Ethan: "Here's another analogy. Let's say a group of Native American terrorists come off a reservation and come to your neighbourhood and start killing everybody, dude. Are you going to say "Hey I support this"" Hila: "Yeah like, "I deserve it, come rape me, I was born in this country, just come and rape me freely, it's my fault". No, if I was there, I would fight for my family and for my home because I need a home to live, my family need a home to live, it's a basic right, everybody needs that. Same for Palestinians, I'm not saying they don't. I never voted for Bibi in my life." Ethan: "People are wishing death on these kibbutz families - their only crime is being born somewhere, same as the Palestinians. Obviously it's way better off to be on the Israel side, but they didn't choose to be born somewhere, they didn't choose to be part of this political turmoil.". Ethan carries on talking about Native American terrorists and the idea someone would say "I support Native American revenge" in response, because he's shocked at the callousness of prominent lefties.
Ethan then starts calling chat cowards and losers because they're sat here in America, "a country that's committed the most crimes against humanity of any recent country", and you're going to sit here and be like "go Hamas"? He also doesn't agree that these are bad analogies. Hila brings up the point that a lot of people in Israel are in shock, fearing for their lives, experiencing grief from murdered loved ones and banging on about "Free Palestine" is inappropriate in light of that. Ethan acknowledges the terrorist attack is the consequence of Israel's occupation but Hamas was still wrong in targeting innocents. Chat observes that Palestinian children are dying too, and Ethan points out he's not saying "Go Israel!" in response. When Israel blows up a civilian building he doesn't post on twitter "I stand with Israel" although some people do, and that's barbaric too. He observes this was all counter-productive to peace because Israel is being galvanised into invading Gaza, and Bibi is a dumbass for telling the people in Gaza to "get out now" as they've nowhere to go [
ed: this isn't actually what Bibi said, he meant get out of the specific zones they identified]
Ethan complains there's people he likes that he's seen doing straight up Hamas propaganda. He doesn't want to say it because he doesn't want to "get into it with people" because it's "too fucked up". Dan asks him to expand on it without naming names, because it might seem like Ethan is conflating pro-Palestine posts with pro-Hamas statements - Dan mentions he's got family in Israel who've lived there since the 60s. Ethan brings up Mia Khalifa calling a photo of Hamas murdering civilians "a renaissance painting". Everyone agrees that's disgusting, and then jokes that Hamas would love Mia and she should go enlist.
Chat asks Hila how she is. Hila talks about how her mother is by herself at the moment in Israel and it's really scary, everyone is terrified and every time she calls her mother she's crying. She has friends that know somebody that went to the rave, who is still missing. Her best friend's husband has been called into the reserves.
Ethan also observes there's equally psychotic takes on the right, saying all Palestinians are terrorists, but draws back to leftists. He then pulls up a tweet liked by Matt Lech (from the Majority Report) showing that girl who got kidnapped on the motorcycle, claiming she wasn't "murdered, raped or abused" and was merely taken captive as a bargaining chip to try and free the thousands of Palestinians held by Israel in violation of international law. Ethan calls this propagandist lies because Hamas had just murdered 300 people in front of her and so it's insane to claim her not being dead is a sign that this is some humanitarian operation. He also observes her father has been on TV and still supports a two-state solution, and also the man in the video being held at gunpoint was her husband and he's probably dead. And also Hamas is going to start murdering captives one at a time on TV.
Ethan then mentions how 23AndMe was hacked and Ashkenazi Jew data was stolen and they speculate about a second kristalnacht. He also argues with chat again, saying just because the Israeli government are murderous, what's the point of saying that oh that makes what Hamas does ok? It's just trying to justify Hamas killing people and he doesn't support either one of them - people are way too comfortable being pro-terrorist. He also calls out that chat for saying stuff like "I don't support Hamas but it's wild to act like Israel hasn't acted similarly for decades" - he says "Bro are you even listening to what I'm saying. It doesn't seem it. If you think 'don't burn children and dance around their bodies, then let's go invite the Iraqi terrorist[
ed: I'm not typing this out again] He asks the "keyboard warriors" if they truly think they deserve to die because of America's war crimes, and that he doesn't think they'd be cool with dying. He doesn't need to talk about the horrible things Israel's done because he's already done that and he does do that. "If you think Hamas is dope, you [Americans] deserve even more than Israelis to be burned alive by terrorists... in fact why not make it easier and fly to ISIS and serve yourself to them on a platter because you deserve it? Fucking scumbags, freaks, bloodythirsty scumbag freaks".
He continues to talk about stuff he's already said. He states he hates the Israeli government for being genocidal, and Dan jokes "here come the black helicopters" for criticising Israel. He disagrees with chat saying the Israeli government is fascist because he thinks the word fascist is used very liberally and he doesn't even really know what the word means, but he does say that the government are genocidal murderous war-criminals and "is that not enough".
Dan brings up that the head of Shin Bet ("the Israeli FBI") had warned Bibi that attacks by Palestinians on settlers would increase, and that Bibi's party denounced him and claimed the ideology of the far left and the deep state had infiltrated their highest levels. Ethan feels Bibi needs to be removed from office and thrown in jail both for his war crimes and his repeated failures of incorporating military intelligence to prevent this atrocity. Ethan also observes that while Bibi
was deeply unpopular, he'll probably gain a slew of support from this because people are afraid, and will mount a full scale invasion of Gaza, and this terrorist attack was therefore deeply counter productive. He asks why people are supporting Hamas's actions by saying "free Palestine" in response to 700 Israelis being killed, and if they support a death toll in the tens of thousands as that's what's going to come out of this. Hamas are not freedom fighters, they don't represent the Palestinian people, it's not a movement towards peace. Americans were killed and kidnapped - he doesn't know how
that will play out. Sorry if it's not woke enough that he doesn't support families being burned alive. That's all he wanted to say [
ed: there's another 20 minutes of this]
Chat accuses him of
not supporting Palestine. He complains again about people not listening to what he's said. He also says he doesn't want to call out prominent leftists when prompted for examples. He asks why people are spamming "PSPS" (this is the Palestinian flag emoji -

- which doesn't display properly on most platforms). "So thank you guys, if I'm not woke enough, I urge to surrender yourself to ISIS to pay for the crimes of our country. In fact you should probably pay for them to come out and murder everyone on your block because we deserve it as Americans". Chat tells him that his opinion is not the only right one, so he asks if the right opinion is that it's ok to kill civillians, "you fucking sick freak?".
Hila talks about how it's difficult to discuss what's going on when there's so much anti-semitism too, so it's hard to say who means what. Ethan: "shoutout to all my pro-terrorist Americans out there, we love you guys". Hila dials out at this point. Ethan does say it's not about antisemitism it's about what Israel does to Palestine, but the level of antisemitism means a lot of people say stuff. Chat asks if he and Hasan will have a conversation about it - "I'm sure we will have a conversation about it. I don't think he's going to disagree with what I'm saying, otherwise he'd probably be a Hamas supporter, because that's basically all I'm saying. I'm saying "let's not slaughter civillians". I doubt Hasan is going to disagree with that. That would be surprising. What I've seen Hasan say is that the terrorism is the result of Israel's occupation, which I agree with." Dan: "Apparently the Israeli intelligence service agrees with that take, so it'd be pretty hard to disagree at this stage... it's an option of last resort, and the hardliners in Israel have largely driven people to take violent action as a means of last resort, and that doesn't mean that it's right but we can understand it, and see it with open eyes without having to embrace it or celebrate the slaughter of innocents". Ethan agrees but complains people in chat are calling him disgusting. Dan observes he'd already banned 6 people who were saying Hamas was great and they should kill all Israelis, so we can't pretend people don't have that opinion. Other crew member observes that other people expressing similar opinions have been roasted online for showing a morsel of support for Israel, which he finds deeply disturbing.
Someone in chat points out "preemptive support of Palestine is not support of Hamas, we knew what was going to happen after October 7th" and Dan says that he nearly brought up thinking about how Gaza is going to be leveled in response is an explanation for the expressions of support for Palestine, as this incident didn't happen in a vacuum, and everyone was in a rush to get their take out there on the internet - but he can see why that upset Ethan, and Ethan's not wrong for observing that people are openly celebrating it, but there is nuance there for some people. Other cast member says the whole thing that happened has such a disturbing aspect because it's the 50th anniversary of the Yom Kippur war. Ethan laughs at someone in the chat saying "Free Ohio" as in Palestine, Ohio. He then starts talking about Mia Khalifa again. They incorrectly describe her as a Muslim who disrespected her own religion (she did porn in a hijab but she is actually a Lebanese Christian). A third cast member mentioned preemptive support of Palestine being in response to how the Palestinians are being talked about, but it's insensitive, but other people are opposing this are saying that people are generalising all Palestinians as animals. Ethan said he wasn't talking about those tweets [
Ed: Honestly they just keep circling the same conversation.] He was talking about the ones who didn't have nuanced takes, you can say "free Palestine" without supporting terror. They then eventually segue into their next segment, "Snoozer Male vs Alpha Male".