2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

[Manimal House]

I think you have to stop rationalizing this. They're jihadis. He thinks that person will going to be a martyr and get into heaven with a personal greeting by Muhammad. They're clinically insane people.

Agreed. With religious zealots like these, dying in the name of their dead commander is a ticket to a glorious afterlife, any enemy kills they get along the way is just a bonus. Add on top of that the history of all the dead they've seen on their side, it just emboldens them further. Hell, they're used to it. I've seen Americans break down over not getting their McDonalds food much harder than these people do when looking at their dead families. For example, Baghdadi killed his own children that were with him when he blew himself up, and three other psychos took his place and were then killed within a 3 year span. They went past the point of no return a long time ago.

I don't even care what happens to Isreal or Palestine, both keep acting like they have a national-level case of Munchausen's-by-proxy and everyone is sick and tired of it. What concerns me is what happens after it goes beyond those regions. Imagine if Hamas and the IDF just nuked each other off the map, no survivors. Every nation that gave support to either will see it as a colossal waste and someone is going to try and get their money back. Not to mention that this is a war involving territory AND terrorist radicalism so it won't just stop if a region just gets taken over by one side. Jihadists will just start shit elsewhere. It will only end when there are no followers of either (or both) left.

To emphasize how absurd it's gotten, here's a Xitter video of a Palestinian Christian woman verbally explaining to a journoscum how clueless he is about the situation.

 

[MMS-China]

"pride" you say? You mean the goat fucking sand niggers who have more dogma than the catholic church, but still manage to rape/murder infidels, are stuck because of "pride"?

Islam was never "compatible" with the current century. All the other major religions cut out the weird shit, the sexual repression shit, and most of the overt misogyny, Islam is being practiced in a manner it was 500 years ago.

Sometimes what people tell you is the "enlightened and modern west" isn't exactly what you thought either.

 

[Pooplord69]

"pride" you say? You mean the goat fucking sand niggers who have more dogma than the catholic church, but still manage to rape/murder infidels, are stuck because of "pride"?

Islam was never "compatible" with the current century. All the other major religions cut out the weird shit, the sexual repression shit, and most of the overt misogyny, Islam is being practiced in a manner it was 500 years ago.

I'm not talking about Islam. I'm talking about Arabs in general. Whether they're Christians, Jews, or Yazidis.

I personally think both Israel and Palestine should cease to exist and instill a Christian leadership in the region but I'm no politician.

 

[AssignedEva]

Would a two state solution have prevented this conflict?

It's a bit of an impossible hypothetical because a two state solution has repeatedly been presented and rejected by Palestinian representatives, who very much feel that they want a one state solution since from their perspective the Jews shouldn't have all just moved in and kicked them out of their lands.

The original UN Partition plan was by far the most generous. Jerusalem was treated as an "international zone" (think like how West Berlin existed as an exclave in the middle of East Germany) and is still a thing with East vs West Jerusalem (to an extent).

If you're mystified by the atomisation of the West Bank, this is the result of the Oslo Accords.

Very abridged version of history: was part of the planned Palestinian state, during the 1948 war Jordan took it, during 1967 Israel took it from Jordan, then in the 90s the Oslo Accords were signed. Basically Area A is where the Palestinian Authority is in charge, no Israeli citizens are allowed in and all policing and security is handled by Palestinians (the IDF can't even enter it to get insurgents). Area B is where the Palestinian Authority runs all civil matters but Israel runs all security matters; the IDF maintains a presence and there are checkpoints to enter or leave it. Zone C is basically fully under the control of Israel (the Palestinian authority does medical and educational provision for Palestinians), this is where the "West Bank Settlers" are; Palestinians have to apply for special permits to enter or cross it (there's a small part of it that has Palestinians in, but they're basically never given permits to build anything in their villages). Coincidentally it's also about two thirds of the land and the land richest in natural resources.

The original goal of the Oslo Accords was that most of the land would be ceded to Palestinians within about 5 years, allowing them to have a contiguous territory under their sovereign control rather than a bunch of scattered isolated settlements they have to ask the Israelis to leave. For a variety of reasons including corruption, a failure of peace negotiations and Israelis moving to prime agricultural land in Area C to try and make it permanently Israel, this has not happened. Ceding Area C within a reasonable timeline would have in no way helped with the Gaza situation, but it could have significantly increased goodwill among Palestinians and maybe could have lead to a different outcome further down the line.

One of the points of contention in the Camp David summit was that Arafat essentially wanted the 90% of the West Bank to end up Palestinian (with some degree of land swap) and Israel supposedly wanted the West Bank split up into disconnected "bantustans" (this is disputed, and also the use of the word bantustans was designed to piss off the Israeli negotiators). But then also Arafat wanted the displaced Palestinians to have the option of a right of return to their homes they fled during the Nakba and Israel said no because they didn't want potentially a million Palestinians moving in all over Israel. If this had gone differently, maybe the Gaza strip Palestinians wouldn't have voted in Hamas, and this could have been prevented. But I don't think it would ever have gone differently because there was never going to be a two-state solution both sides could really be happy with.

 

[Swingletonthesimpleton]

I wonder if israel will just not give them food water and power anyways even after the hostages are free.

I mean WHY would they? All it would do is let another generation of terrorists grow up. Let the fuckers starve, can't have a new generation if everyones dead. I don't understand why they were giving them shit in the first place truthfully I've never known a jew to give a penny away much less all this,
but surely they won't mollycoddle the little shits after this mess.

If they really wanna fuck em over, blow up the power station. One final gift to hamas.

 

[Troon_Patrol]

Sometimes what people tell you is the "enlightened and modern west" isn't exactly what you thought either.

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You do realize the people in that picture, are on "team Palestine", don't you?

 

[im5!XxhO]

I wonder if israel will just not give them food water and power anyways even after the hostages are free.

It will be a largely academic question, the hostages won't be freed.

 

[Swingletonthesimpleton]

It will be a largely academic question, the hostages won't be freed.

Then they should blow up the power station. There's no use in aiding the growth of overzealous fanatics. Just wipe them out.

 

[01169]

I wonder if israel will just not give them food water and power anyways even after the hostages are free.

You can't be serious to think there's any hostages left. Do you think they feed them or take care of possible wounds when all around them buildings collapse and rockets strike? Have your city destroyed, your companions killed AND take care of crying, yelling infidels?

The best option for those hostages would be getting forgotten and abandoned but surely they've all been taken out in retaliation/to not be an inconvenience already.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

We need to take a sword, split Israel down the middle, one side is Palestine, the other side is Israel, fuck off go away no more talks about reclaiming your missing foreskin or anything else.

Palestine is a mudslime shithole and mudslimes chimping out and jihading everyone they don't like is extremely gay. Israel slowly and continuously encroaching on Palestinian clay and stealing it for their own use is equally extremely gay especially when it seems like everyone is powerless to stop it because lol UN security council veto privilege.

I don't want to hear about how abluhhh but this specific shitty goatherd's historical traditional land is his and moving him to a different identical shitty patch of rocky sagebrush is literally genocide. Fuck them they've shown they can't coexist in any way and now it's either the King Solomon solution of split the baby in half lengthwise and give one half to each belligerent or we just carpet bomb both sides into oblivion because having this bullshit continue on in perpetuity is fucking annoying

 

[im5!XxhO]

Syria reports that IDF is striking Damascus and Aleppo. I can't vouch for the accuracy, but it would not be surprising.
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[Swingletonthesimpleton]

You can't be serious to think there's any hostages left. Do you think they feed them or take care of possible wounds when all around them buildings collapse and rockets strike? Have your city destroyed, your companions killed AND take care of crying, yelling infidels?

The best option for those hostages would be getting forgotten and abandoned but surely they've all been taken out in retaliation/to not be an inconvenience already.

Probably right but I'd still like to hope it didn't go down like that

 

[DumbDude43]

But I don't think it would ever have gone differently because there was never going to be a two-state solution both sides could really be happy with.

true
even in the UN partition plan, both the proposed jewish state and the proposed arab state are not really viable. territory too fragmented, borders indefensible, and too much friction between the entities. a jewish state in those borders would have been absolutely annihilated by any of the arab coalitions that later rose against israel, it would have been a total sitting duck.

the reverse is now true for the proposed palestinian state - even if they were to get the whole west bank, they would still be a state consisting of two disconnected exclaves, totally reliant on israel to keep them connected, with the gaza strip especially being extremely dependent on israel to keep the lights on because it can't ever be self sufficient. this is a time bomb, future war with israel over something like water rights would be 100% guaranteed, and all parties involved know it, hence why israel has zero interested in allowing the formation of an actual state that would eventually end up waging war against it.

You can't be serious to think there's any hostages left. Do you think they feed them or take care of possible wounds when all around them buildings collapse and rockets strike? Have your city destroyed, your companions killed AND take care of crying, yelling infidels?

The best option for those hostages would be getting forgotten and abandoned but surely they've all been taken out in retaliation/to not be an inconvenience already.

nah, they know that these hostages are valuable bargaining chips. if not for israel, then at least for other foreign governments.
the question is whether they can keep their caveman troops disciplined enough to actually keep the hostages alive instead of brutalizing them to death for fun. experience from the last week says they can't, otherwise their raiding parties would have taken a lot more hostages instead of leaving piles of mutilated corpses in their path.

 

[Horrorvitz Goldbank]

If she is the girl in the pickup truck, then she is dead. You can clearly see a bullet hole on that chick's skull.
Plus, the fucking broken limbs. No bruises, no sign of swelling. Nothing to point out there is blood flowing. Chick is dead.
And regarding the possibility of rape
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Photo taken right after they captured her after they raided the concert. Still with her limbs not broken.
My guess is, she was shot and killed right there among the crowd and then carried to the pickup truck as a trophy.
If she was raped, it was after she died. Same for the broken limbs.

They probably broke her left leg because she couldn't fit on the truck bed.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

To emphasize how absurd it's gotten, here's a Xitter video of a Palestinian Christian woman verbally explaining to a journoscum how clueless he is about the situation.

Lol she's lying, Arabs in Jaffa were begged to stay by the general in charge of the region from Jaffa to Haifa, it's why there are so many arabs in that specific part of israel.

@Catch The Rainbow what sort of propaganda you get there to make a father pray his dauther to be dead than alive in gaza?

He explains it, being a hostage in Gaza is suffering a lot until you inevitably die while being shot is a quick death. Look up what gilad shalit or other hostages of hamas went through.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

They probably broke her left leg because she couldn't fit on the truck bed.

“What do you mean? She’s fine, right here in the hospital in Gaza. Wouldn’t want anything bad to happen to her, though”

I’m waiting for Hamas to go full weekend at Bernie’s and tie sticks to her limbs to move them around

 

[Vott]

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[AssignedEva]

You do realize the people in that picture, are on "team Palestine", don't you?

I'm pretty sure most of those people - the sort in the picture, the ones who brought a Palestine flag to every single unrelated leftist protest - run on vibes politics. Oppressor and colonialist bad, oppressed and colonised good. In the abstract on paper that's not even necessarily a completely terrible approach because, well, the Palestinians are oppressed. But having seen what Hamas did when they got into Israel and then seeing the big scary protests in their own cities where people are saying "kill the Jews" - not so vibey.

Especially because if you look at the sideshows thread a lot of them self-identify as Jewish (this is legit a thing in some leftist circles where they'll basically do the Elizabeth Warren thing but with tenuous Jewish ancestry, or they'll convert to a hyper-liberal sect of Judaism that allows converts - there are of course also anti-Zionist Jews) because in their book Jews are oppressed in the West. They're not used to seeing that from the Palestinian perspective Jews = Israel, and they're getting a bit spooked, and also they saw awful videos happening to the sort of people they'd do drugs with. So the vibe's off, and now they're clutching their pearls and supporting Israel.

Now there are still compelling reasons to have sympathy with Palestinians, but that requires some degree of knowledge of history and geopolitics beyond Colonialism Bad, and that doesn't work for vibes politics. So the vibe people still supporting Palestine have either gone full NPC and retreated into a bubble and are refusing to engage with any of the news (or dismissing it as fake news) or they're still so abstracted from the reality of the situation that they're telling themselves "no no Hamas did the right thing, it's bad but it means the Jews can peacefully leave Israel and stop oppressing them". This is obviously different to e.g. the peak BLM crowd who see ytpipo dying as a good thing.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

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You can always rely on the Israelis to pour gas on a situation.

Now there’s an awkward tie-in with Russia and a remarkably wide open path for all of this to expand

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

Can somebody explain to me WTF the Assad regime is doing? As Alawites the vast majority of Hamas/ISIS types consider them subhuman apostates, probably even worse than Christians. If Israel were somehow to cease to exist, they'd pretty much be next up on the chopping block, especially if some sort of fundamentalist sort of Islam was installed elsewhere, in Jordan, Palestine, etc. Yet there they are, going balls deep against Israel. Or is that just talk?