2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

Hamas should be way better equipped and entrenched then what the Americans faced in Falludscha. Plus the urban centres in the strip are a lot bigger. I wouldn't be shocked if the IDF suffers more than 5.000 casualties in the initial operation to take the strip. They are not building field hospitals in garages and asking Germany for blood bottles because they think it will be a walk in the park.
 
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Traummaschine said:
It's surprising to me that as keen as the palis seem to be on releasing videos of stomping on dead IDF soldiers for their propaganda, they haven't released any footage of their hostages besides that supposed photo of the chinese jew girl. Why the silence?


She also interviewed Josh on her podcast:
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I'm tempted to stop listening because of the retarded intro song, voices of the hosts, and for some reason Null has a phaser effect on his voice. But it's Josh on a podcast so I will persist.
 
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im5!XxhO said:
Hamas should be way better equipped and entrenched then what the Americans faced in Falludscha. Plus the urban centres in the strip are a lot bigger. I wouldn't be shocked if the IDF suffers more than 5.000 casualties in the initial operation to take the strip. They are not building field hospitals in garages and asking Germany for blood bottles because they think it will be a walk in the park.
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The US also was more concerned about civilian casualties than Israel will be I am sure
 
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SaidNoOneEver said:
They'll still win a lopsided victory
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I don't even know if that's true. It may have been two or so years ago before israeli artillery was redirected to Ukraine and most of the NATO reserve equipment used up on Ukraine. What israel has on hand is pretty much all it will have for a long time unless another country declares war and invades Gaza as well. Plus by the time the actual ground invasion begins, who knows what Hezbollah, Syria, and Iran will have done. In less than a week it went from business as usual to hot war, mass death, and global unrest. What does the next week have in store?
 
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Al Dente Alighieri said:
Speaking of that, is there any evidence they’re using the metric shit ton of military equipment we just left there to do any of this? If someone finds out that’s true, Biden’s going to have a hilarious election campaign.
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I was about to rainbow react, but the core claim of your statement is undeniably true. While I fully expect Biden to be re-“elected,” as in nothing he does/did will matter in the “election” cycle, it is true that it will be hilarious to us “watch the world burn while laughing” types
 
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SpergioLeonne said:
Right, but similar to the US in Iraq and Afghanistan. The conscription period for Israelis is years, not months, so they do have time to absorb some training and aren’t much worse off than the American standard of minimum enlistment contracts
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Similar to one long Fallujah perhaps with 1000x more bad guys shooting. Densely populated urban environments. At least in Iraq and Afghanistan there were rival tribes who we could pit against one another and get help from. That doesn't exist in Gaza. Everyone there will more or less be happy to die killing Jews, it's why they exist.

 
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Black Spruce said:
I don't even know if that's true. It may have been two or so years ago before israeli artillery was redirected to Ukraine and most of the NATO reserve equipment used up on Ukraine.
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Israel did not deliever any significant military aid to Ukraine. So all the stocks of artillery ammunition, bombs, etc. are still there. Plus NATO countries delievered mainly artillery ammunition to Ukraine but very little guided bombs etc. (of which the US already delieverd some to Israel the last couple of days). Same goes for ammunition for naval guns, that is not something that went to Ukraine and is still in stock. The US army also has one or two storage sides in Israel with inventory that can be transferred to the IDF if need be.

Also this is not a peer to peer war. The IDF doesn't have to outgun a military that is able to fire 30.000 shells per day.
 
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SpergioLeonne said:
I would hope that since he’s the son of a former president, who was alive when in the first year of Biden’s term we abandoned billions of dollars worth of military equipment at Bagram, that he would have some memory of that and the capacity to reference it.

But I’m not psychic and he could be a retard. I’m not sure what other implications he could have been making
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Btw, it would not have been hard for the US equipment to have moved from Afghanistan to Iran.

So if you take that along with the recent Democrat lineage’s love of supplying the Iranian regime with cash, there are some fucking questions we could use some answers to.

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SaidNoOneEver said:
Similar to one long Fallujah perhaps with 1000x more bad guys shooting. Densely populated urban environments. At least in Iraq and Afghanistan there were rival tribes who we could pit against one another and get help from. That doesn't exist in Gaza. Everyone there will more or less be happy to die killing Jews, it's why they exist.

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That’s why Israel just announces “civvies gtfo” and then opens up their rules of engagement. They’re not factoring the “hearts and minds” of Palestinians because they concede that it’s unrealistic.
 
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SaidNoOneEver said:
I expect Israel to suffer significant losses when the ground invasion begins. They'll still win a lopsided victory but a lot of Israeli soldier are going to die. The invasion force will be mostly former draftees who have been out of service for a while (the "reserves" who were called up this week) and they're fighting against suicide soldiers with nothing to lose whose only purpose in life is to kill Jews. It's going to be very bloody.
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For the Arabs

We have two examples of large-scale combat in Gaza City in the last 15 years, and the lots of Israeli soldiers didn't die. Why they would send reservists in when Gaza is so small and they have more than enough active duty front line soldiers is a mystery

There's simply no reason to think that oh man it's gonna be such a bloody fight hundreds of Israeli soldiers will die other than the usual overestimation of Arab fighting prowess and muh urban warfare. It's so banal, every time some dune coons fight Westoids in a city it's the same hand-wringing and then the dune coons don't pull off a Stalingrad and everyone forgets that immediately
 
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Super-Chevy454 said:
Sorry if someone else already mention it but there's a old video of Netanyanu from 2001 who resurfaced on Twitter.
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Iirc the context is that he's talking tough to settlers during the intifada, he had very little political power at that specific time. Bibi voted for the disengagement from Gaza and went with a "mowing the lawn" strategy with Gaza and was mostly paying the PA in the West Bank to not be retarded during his prime PM years so his actions didn't reflect what he's saying. Regarding what he said about America, this was at the height of evangelical power in the USA plus an intifada was going on so sympathy was high.
 
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draggs said:
For the Arabs

We have two examples of large-scale combat in Gaza City in the last 15 years, and the lots of Israeli soldiers didn't die. Why they would send reservists in when Gaza is so small and they have more than enough active duty front line soldiers is a mystery

There's simply no reason to think that oh man it's gonna be such a bloody fight hundreds of Israeli soldiers will die other than the usual overestimation of Arab fighting prowess and muh urban warfare. It's so banal, every time some dune coons fight Westoids in a city it's the same hand-wringing and then the dune coons don't pull off a Stalingrad and everyone forgets that immediately
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According to Al Jazeera (I know) Israel's total active-duty forces are only about 170k. That's not enough to conquer a city of 2 million normal people much less sworn jihadis.


No sense really arguing about it too much, we're about to find out.
 
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SpergioLeonne said:
That would be cruel to the Persians living under Islamic occupation.

Of all the “bad guy” countries on earth, I think Iran is the most tragic. They are truly oppressed.

Did you know that the language is called “Farsi” because their Arabic occupiers have a hard time pronouncing the letter P?
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Well, Qatar and Saudi Arabia are always in need of slave labor. There might be some stadiums that need building.
 
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