2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

So Kiwis in your IRL lives what's the room temp for this conflict? Are they pro Israel pro palestine/Hamas? What's the gauge?
People that bring it up are generally pro-Israel, the only information they get about the whole region is from the mainstream news. Everyone else is either indifferent or pro-Hamas.
 
So Kiwis in your IRL lives what's the room temp for this conflict? Are they pro Israel pro palestine/Hamas? What's the gauge?
Everyone around me is distraught and local police have established patrols outside the synagogues. My wife is scared to go to college because of pro palestine demonstrators intimidating people and she is clearly Jewish due to covering her hair. I don't know anyone who is pro palestine, even my Arab CEO went on a rant to me about how the Palestinians are snakes and how he would never hire a Palestinian.
 
Hamas sets up roadblocks to prevent Gaza residents from fleeing south, journalist
@yossi_melman
reports; Hamas wants to maximize Palestinian casualties for PR and hopes to use them as human shields.
it brings me great joy knowing Hamas are going to get slaughtered by IDF influencers who are going to do TikTok's on their corpses.
 
Everyone around me is distraught and local police have established patrols outside the synagogues. My wife is scared to go to college because of pro palestine demonstrators intimidating people and she is clearly Jewish due to covering her hair. I don't know anyone who is pro palestine, even my Arab CEO went on a rant to me about how the Palestinians are snakes and how he would never hire a Palestinian.
I have gotten the same rant from Arabs and Lebanese people and other Palestinians, the only people who love them are white women, people who can't change their smoke detectors and fags.
 
it brings me great joy knowing Hamas are going to get slaughtered by IDF influencers who are going to do TikTok's on their corpses.
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fun fact about IDF women, they get their pants tailored to make their butt look better. It is 100% AGAINST regulations but the command doesn't care. Actual-issued pants are what you see the men wear, kind of baggy 5.11 tactical pants.
 
some lady was having a mental breakdown (I assume) shouting on the corner of a walking trail about the government and end times stuff. Was odd because it wasnt even like, a street corner, just a row of houses that backed up to a walking trail and I think she just walked outside her front door and just began freaking out.

We might see the growth/rebirth of some of the evangelical end of times people. Fundamentalists Christians have a hard on for some nuclear apocalypse shit so Jesus comes back.
 
My impressions from people I've spoken to are that the three most common takes are:

"Hamas killed babies, and there were scary people firing fireworks at the Israeli embassy HERE! The Jewish schools closed or told the children not to wear their uniforms to school just in case! Israel has to bomb Palestine to stop another holocaust, the civilians can evacuate."

"Hamas shouldn't have killed babies but Israel basically brought this on itself and they need to instantly stop any activity right now because they're being wildly disproportionate."

"I feel that this is kind of our fault at a bit, and I don't agree with Hamas killing babies and I think Israel needed to do something, but I also don't agree with Israel trying to do ethnic cleansing, which is what they know they're doing, so I'm just going to hand-wring like a pussy because I can't parse this properly and keep circling"

FWIW I'm camp number 3. I'm not close to anyone in real life who's got one of those insane hardline stances on "this is what decolonisation looks like" or one of those "eliminate all Palestinians" stances, but as a palette cleanser here's my pet cow Ollie (Philosophytube) saying something spectacularly tone-deaf
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So it's all about the babies

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fun fact about IDF women, they get their pants tailored to make their butt look better. It is 100% AGAINST regulations but the command doesn't care. Actual-issued pants are what you see the men wear, kind of baggy 5.11 tactical pants

My friend is a lady-cop in my country and they do the same thing with the standard issue pants they get.

It's a thing with women in uniformed services.
 
The ones they always wear, or just the ones for photo-ops?
I know there are two types of pants, pants for combat that are, well...combat pants and dress uniforms, GENERALLY when the women are out being thots or whatever they will put on their dress uniform. Also, the IDF puts MOST of their women in Desk, medical or training positions where they do not have to wear combat uniforms. THAT BEING SAID the women will narrow their pants to be "more fashionable". So what these tiktok girls do is put their combat equipment on over their tailored dress uniforms and dance around. They are not actually going into battle with their ass like that....generally.
 
Mostly off-topic, but I just learned the animator of the topical "This Land Is Mine" cartoon, Nina Paley, is also a gender critical feminist who made a "Gender Wars" deck of cards, featuring perennial Kiwi favorites such as:
... and, among the good guys:
Yes, and she has a podcast with Corinna Cohn (one of the good ones) called Heterodorx. They had Null on a few months ago for a good interview.
We JUST got out of the middle east. Goddamnit. You know we’re gunna be jammed back into it before long.
The ME is basically the vortex to Hell.
The gall.
My impressions from people I've spoken to are that the three most common takes are:

"Hamas killed babies, and there were scary people firing fireworks at the Israeli embassy HERE! The Jewish schools closed or told the children not to wear their uniforms to school just in case! Israel has to bomb Palestine to stop another holocaust, the civilians can evacuate."

"Hamas shouldn't have killed babies but Israel basically brought this on itself and they need to instantly stop any activity right now because they're being wildly disproportionate."

"I feel that this is kind of our fault at a bit, and I don't agree with Hamas killing babies and I think Israel needed to do something, but I also don't agree with Israel trying to do ethnic cleansing, which is what they know they're doing, so I'm just going to hand-wring like a pussy because I can't parse this properly and keep circling"
All of these are emotional responses. Do you know anyone looking at things in another way?

fun fact about IDF women, they get their pants tailored to make their butt look better. It is 100% AGAINST regulations but the command doesn't care. Actual-issued pants are what you see the men wear, kind of baggy 5.11 tactical pants.
you think maybe they get them tailored to fucking fit better and not fall down?
 
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