2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

[Londo]

Footage that captured the moment a Hamas rocket hit Bat Yam.

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Bat Yam is south of Tel Aviv.

I've seen Americans throw fireworks more powerful at 4th of July.

 

[smugrandomdouche]

So basically this sums up the general attitude of each government?

Yeah no the Wolf eats them.

 

[Londo]

So basically this sums up the general attitude of each government?

Pretty much. Let's be honest, I don't think most western governments really give a fuck; and even the Middle Eastern ones realize there's absolutely no benefit to properly supporting Hamas. Palestinians are like the rats of the middle eastern world - they somehow keep finding themselves in places they aren't welcome and then causing a bunch of issues.

Realistically countries and territories like SA, UAE etc are fighting their own long-term goals of survival that requires trade with the west and trade with the US specifically because once that oil runs out or is no longer a major commodity their economies are going to crash and burn without more trade, trade that only western governments are likely to be able to provide.

China and Russia have fought a long propaganda war against Islam as a whole - much stronger than any one they've done against NATO - and it would be terrible internal PR to suddenly support Muslims.

The regions around Palestine that haven't already been mentioned simply don't have any power or stability or influence.

 

[Kiwiballs]

Navy female fighters spray with mags, fighters drop depth charges and shoot the Bee and the Wasp with their personal weapons at point blank range. Much more will be said about the battle conducted by the men and women of Squadron 916 from the Ashdod base, at sea, while simultaneously firing and maneuvering against anti-tank missiles from the shore. A battle that prevented an invasion by Hamas terrorists on the shores of Ashkelon on Saturday morning

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The 916th Patrol Squadron is apparently the IDF unit responsible for the ongoing security of the coastal vicinity of the Gaza Strip.

Are they shooting people surrendering who are already in the water?
I don't know any other country that actively has done that besides Japan in WW2.

I dont know what to say even.

MSF (Medecins Sans Frontieres, aka Doctors Without Borders) are the one group in the midst of all this who deserve unequivocal support and respect. There's an excellent graphic novel by artist Guy Delisle which documents his wife's time working with MSF in Gaza. It's on libgen if you want to read it for free. I suggest purchasing a copy also.

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Do you have a working link for libgen atm? .li isnt working for me.

 

[Londo]

Are they shooting people surrendering who are already in the water?
I don't know any other country that actively did that besides Japan in WW2.

I dont know what to say even.

It's actually very common. It's a European and western convention that once the machinery of war is disabled (ships, fighters etc) that sailors etc are no longer realistically a threat and should be taken as POW. That mentality doesn't exist outside of western influence.

 

[im5!XxhO]

I don't believe in Hezbollah intervening large scale. The US are just waiting for an excuse to blast their positions in Syria which would weaken Assad and in turn make the Russian position in Syria a lot more problematic (not like Russia has a lot of ground troops to spare). Also Iran would risk loosing their power in Lebanon on Syria.
On the other hand, the Middle East is usually a clown fiesta.

 

[Dragged Into Sunlight]

Are they shooting people surrendering who are already in the water?
I don't know any other country that actively has done that besides Japan in WW2.

I dont know what to say even.


Do you have a working link for libgen atm? .li isnt working for me.

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[King George III]

IDF is hitting targets in Syria again

 

[Kiwiballs]

It's actually very common. It's a European and western convention that once the machinery of war is disabled (ships, fighters etc) that sailors etc are no longer realistically a threat and should be taken as POW. That mentality doesn't exist outside of western influence.

I guess Israel isn't a western state afterall then? Though seriously I get it, the hatred has overfilled. Allied pilots started doing the same thing to Germans as the news of the holocaust and other such atrocities started trickling in late towards the war and everyone just had lost any sense of respect for the other side or the dignity of man. In the beginning Germans and Brits even had some nice words to say for each other like colleagues in the air. That was gone by 1945.

Anyway according to the Geneva Convention this is a clear war crime. On par with shooting parachuting pilots.
But its not even that. It's just ugly to see. This war has enough war crimes in it to fill a courtroom with proceedings for the next 10 years. This is extra spicy because its so flagrant.

She's throwing a fucking grenade on a guy in the water. It's disgusting to watch.

 

[TheBigZee]

I have a very autistic question about something that doesn't actually matter. I've seen a lot of people refer to the parkinglotification of gaza as "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing." But this wouldn't be genocide, right? They aren't trying to kill all Palestinians or prevent the further propagation of the Palestinian ethnicity, they're specifically killing everyone in this specific area as a way to decimate a terrorist group. You can't really call it genocide if the west bank is just chilling rn, right?

Israel isn't killing everyone. Not even close.

That said, the UN considers actions taken to destroy a portion of a people genocide. So if something changes with the ground assault, or Israel prevents humanitarian aid to the point people die - the west bank isn't a defense.

It's actually very common. It's a European and western convention that once the machinery of war is disabled (ships, fighters etc) that sailors etc are no longer realistically a threat and should be taken as POW. That mentality doesn't exist outside of western influence.

Soldiers treat their enemy how they would be treated. Hamas would gun them down in the water.

 

[Jump]

Are they shooting people surrendering who are already in the water?
I don't know any other country that actively has done that besides Japan in WW2.

I dont know what to say even.

Muslimes and jews. 2 sides of the same sandnigger coin. Both love posting videos that make them look like shit to normal people.

I thought the video was going to be some boat battle but its just IDF machine gunning swimmers.

 

[Bloom Worm Cross Field]

I have a very autistic question about something that doesn't actually matter. I've seen a lot of people refer to the parkinglotification of gaza as "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing." But this wouldn't be genocide, right? They aren't trying to kill all Palestinians or prevent the further propagation of the Palestinian ethnicity, they're specifically killing everyone in this specific area as a way to decimate a terrorist group. You can't really call it genocide if the west bank is just chilling rn, right?

The UN provides materials for determining if something qualifies as a genocide:

Bear in mind this isn't comprehensive as refusing to sterilise children (of any ethnicity) is also a genocide, but this is a starting rule of thumb for making a decision.

 

[Just_Somebody]

Are they shooting people surrendering who are already in the water?
I don't know any other country that actively has done that besides Japan in WW2.

I dont know what to say even.

Non-uniformed combatants have no POW rights.

Also the fact any Hamas/Palestinian have been captured since Oct 7 alive is shocking to me. I figured there's some personnel who think they might have something valuable to say.

 

[Enig]

I guess Israel isn't a western state afterall then? Though seriously I get it, the hatred has overfilled. Allied pilots started doing the same thing to Germans as the news of the holocaust and other such atrocities started trickling in late towards the war and everyone just had lost any sense of respect for each other or the dignity of man.

Anyway according to the Geneva Convention this is a clear war crime. On par with shooting parachuting pilots.
But its not even that. It's just ugly to see. This war has enough war crimes in it to fill a courtroom with proceedings for the next 10 years. This is extra spicy because its so flagrant.

She's throwing a fucking grenade on a guy in the water. It's disgusting to watch.

And the saddest part is posts like these are getting drowned out of this thread by users that just want to go into edgy rambling about sandniggers and spam stickers, how the hell has this thread not been split in two yet when it's just as bad as the 2022 invasion one was

 

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[TheBigZee]

Non-uniformed combatants have no POW rights.

Also the fact any Hamas/Palestinian have been captured since Oct 7 alive is shocking to me. I figured there's some personnel who think they might have something valuable to say.

Most people don't enjoy killing.

And the saddest part is posts like these are getting drowned out of this thread by users that just want to go into edgy rambling about sandniggers and spam stickers, how the hell has this thread not been split in two yet when it's just as bad as the 2022 invasion one was

How do we know it won't result in more violent sectarian posting?

 

[DamnWolves!]

Watching people cheer shit like this on, on a website that's banned in Russia by Roskomnadzor for the 'Ho-Ho-Holocaust' meme, is really wild. They literally bulldozed a pizza shop over an edgy shitpost - just absolutely insane, petty shit from a country that has the overwhelming firepower advantage. Same thing with the retarded Laura Loomer posts where she's trying to get people fired or harassed for protesting in favor of Hamas - after hearing the same exact people for 6 years (accurately) talk about how cancel culture is incompatible with free speech and democratic self rule. She once came pretty damn close to typing out 'hate speech isn't free speech'.

So lets look at this as edgy shitposting. Shitposting is first reliant on recognizing that there are lines. Lines everywhere for everyone and everything. You identify a line and choose whether or not to cross it and by how much. It's like Vegas in that you make a wager on how much lulz you'll get vs whatever the risk involved. With every choice you roll the dice and the pizza memester rolled snake eyes.
You can choose to kick a big, angry hornet nest for a laugh but when that goes south you can't blame the hornets.

American supporters of Israel love to talk about how "Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East" as a reason to support them, as if Israel is some shining reflection or enclave of America in the Middle East (in reality, the reverse is more often true, but I digress...). On the other hand, a lack of this so-called "Democracy" has been used as a pretence to invade multiple countries in the region.

But you don't get to pretend like you're an Western-style democracy, with fundemental rights and freedoms, when your government fucking bulldozes someone's business for memes in poor taste. The fact that any supporter of the Farms would justify this kind of behavior from an ostensibly free and democratic society, especially after the year we just had, is frankly insane.

At least the Muzzies aren't pretending to be anything other than what they are: bloodthirsty, fanatical hardliners set on ethnic cleansing of their ancient enemies, but the Israelis aren't any different; they've just figured out the right propaganda mix to fool fat, American boomercons into overlooking the hypocrisy on display here while the Israelis act with the same genocidal sperg-rage as the Arabs and their deep cover agents placed throughout American society make evangelical retards clap along like trained seals.

I hope you all get Tay-Sachs, since that's another thing you have in common with the Arabs: you can't stop fucking your cousins long enough to avoid developing serious genetic defects.

 

[Kiwiballs]

Non-uniformed combatants have no POW rights.

Also the fact any Hamas/Palestinian have been captured since Oct 7 alive is shocking to me. I figured there's some personnel who think they might have something valuable to say.

I think Hamas is uniformed. And Israel says it treats this like a state conflict. I mean I dont care about the technicalities of the actual war crime. War Crime proceedings are used by the winning side to kick the losing side in the ass every single time without acknowledging their own evil. The shocking thing about this is how ostentatious it is. How flagrant.

But again, I get it, its a life and death struggle. I just hope we can stop pretending there's really good guys and bad guys anymore.
If the fact that there are POWs is shocking to you then you're even further gone than me or the Israelis. I mean here you have a country that has built its foundation on the premise of being a persecuted people. Obviously they at least have to play pretend that they care about the Geneva Convention and human rights otherwise the whole house of cards falls apart.

Same with the Palestinians that up to the 7th of October were under a constant siege in an open air prison with 50% unemployment. I doubt they care at all about Jewish lives in Gaza at least, but even Hamas the terrorists took POWs. Probably to negotiate, yes. I think none of them care about each other anymore, international law is just keeping both the Jews and the Gazans from going full retard. Though if Hamas actually did kill those babies that might have already crossed the point of no return.

 

[King George III]

The Palestinian Ministry of Foreign Affairs wants you to see the TRUTH with your EYES and HEART

 

[im5!XxhO]

She's throwing a fucking grenade on a guy in the water. It's disgusting to watch

I thought it was quite satisfying to watch especially considering what the fighter would have done if he reached any civilians. They didn't give any mercy, they aren't entitled to any.

To my surprise the larger pro Palestinian protest remained largely peaceful today in German cities but probably only because they didn't mobilize in great numbers (biggest one was reported at 600; for comparison the pro Israel March was reported at 1.200 in Frankfurt) so the police outnumbered them pretty much everywhere 2:1. However in Frankfurt there was one police officer injured by being biten by a pro Hamas protestor. So not really making the case against being animals right now lol although tbf it might have also been some German leftie
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