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wtfNeedSignUp said:
Anyone watched the video and know what it's about? I remember watching the youtuber but his opinions turned to even more shit and his voice turned exponentially more faggy
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The Simpsons is getting better because they are no longer being the Simpsons. OP likes the episodes like the one where Flanders gets in trouble with a gang as it takes the well-meaning Flanders and forces him to take immoral actions while deconstructing his father as being a bad person in secret. The idea being that Ned is only moral because he never faced a situation where he couldn't be. He also likes the episode with Marge and Homer stranded in the woods as it is quite for most of it. He ends praising Tree House of Horrors for the skit that is Westworld, but the Simpsons are in the simulation, repeating all the iconic moments. Homer fights against the old fans for holding back the Simpsons and letting them move beyond the old seasons.

The Simpsons seems to be getting more character focused in some of its episodes now rather than the infinite string of random events and references that recent seasons were/are.

Should preface that these were the opinions of the video, I don’t watch no-Simpsons.
 
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This is continuing a conversation that began in the "Does Anyone Else Miss the 2000s?" Topic. It seemed more relevant here.

Anonitolia said:
I'd be happy to hear some examples of what you consider good 80s shows, because (as someone who grew up on constant reruns of them) I have not seen a single one. Thundercats came the closest to being quality and even then I can remember nothing good about it. Just the annoying dragon-cat thing that had the worst voice I'd ever heard.
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If you want to know what I think of Thundercats, I've got you covered.

I mention in that topic that the 1983 He-Man and She-Ra series (which I consider basically the same show) are my favorite western-produced cartoons. The same company also produced Bravestarr, which is kind of a space western.... Filmation was one of the few companies that genuinely valued the art of storytelling in animation, though financial realities did admittedly hamper their output. (They also did an off-brand version of Ghostbusters which starred two guys and a gorilla. I have a soft spot for that version but its not for everyone).

On that note, The Real Ghostbusters is a pretty highly regarded eighties cartoon (though I myself have mixed feelings on it).

I have a soft spot for Inspector Gadget. It's repetitive but its got charm and the cast is likable. G1 Transformers is a cartoon I actually didn't like as a kid but started to appreciate as an adult, in particular that Megatron doesn't always act like a typical villain (with "the Ultimate Doom" three-parter having a small but IMO stand-out moment where he's the one that initiates a truce with Optimus Prime in order to save them both). The 1980s G.I. Joe cartoon I'm more changable on, but the made-for-TV movie which caps off the series is awesome.

More personal favorites--and this will probably get downvoted for the sole fact that I'm about to name a few "cartoons for girls"--but Rainbow Brite (which you can find uncut versions here), Jem and the Holograms, and the pilot episode of the 1980s My Little Pony (but not the rest of the series--just that pilot) are actually way better than their target audience would suggest... at least early on.

One I didn't see as a kid because it didn't air in my area, but an internatonal friend introduced me to later--Dogtanian and the Muskehounds is surprisingly good, and a shockingly faithful (for the first half) adaptation of the Three Musketeers novel.

David the Gnome is a show that is hit or miss (some episodes are literally just exposition dumps... weird) but you can't deny it has the best theme song ever.

These are the high points, but to be honest when I watch eighties cartoons I rarely ever find one I consider completely unsalvagable. Even the mid ones tend to have the same degree of wonder and imagination that draws people to, say, old pulp novels. Something like Challenge of the Go-Bots may be a bland Transformers knock-off and yet it still occasionally introduces stuff that makes me think "I could use this in my own novel or short story."
 
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A Grey Cat said:
the original idea for cool world was, "cartoonist has sex with cartoon character that results in a killer half toon half human hybrid trying to kill her human dad." It was meant to be closer to a slasher movie. I honestly would like to see that movie made even if has to be made without Ralph Bakshi given the old man is retired now.

It's funny how if cool world was ahead of its time on anything, it's how people will thirst and even simp for cartoon characters. even after all the studio changes made to the script, the idea that remained paramount (no pun intended) is you are not a sound minded individual if you wanna go, ''dipping your pen in the inkwell."

You keep your pencil in your pocket.
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Cool World pisses me off to no end because it's got such a wonderful funky style that's tied to a real stinker of a movie.
I absolutely adore all those surreal cartoony urban sets that Ralph created. I can't believe they're in such a pained contorted film.
I just want a (good!) full movie in the style of that damn Harlem Shuffle video...
 
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wtfNeedSignUp said:
Anyone watched the video and know what it's about? I remember watching the youtuber but his opinions turned to even more shit and his voice turned exponentially more faggy
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my YouTube recommended always has that fuckin video, not even the 'not interested' and 'dont show this channel' fuckin stop it.
i dont fucking care what some 13 year old furry has to say about those yellow things. i dont fucking care about the simpsons in the first place!

the only good to come out of the simpsons is the parody's such as The Family Simp from Joe and the chooma's from The Big Lez Show.
edit: also wade's music with his simpson remixes
 
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Coolio55 said:
Cool World pisses me off to no end because it's got such a wonderful funky style that's tied to a real stinker of a movie.
I absolutely adore all those surreal cartoony urban sets that Ralph created. I can't believe they're in such a pained contorted film.
I just want a (good!) full movie in the style of that damn Harlem Shuffle video...
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I have some sympathy for the movie because if you know what went on during production, then you know its not entirely Ralph's fault. The old man was hounded by everyone from frank Mancuso Jr to drop the horror angle because he thought a slasher even an animated one wouldn't attract an audience. To Kim bassinger who wanted the movie to be more kid friendly. It just feels like bakshi tried to save the doomed production by making it dark and stylish but as it's been said not even the best animation in the world can save crappy writing.

The Last Stand said:
Nobody:
Youtube: Let me recommend you Johnny Test whip cracks.


Almost every episode after Season 3 had a whip crack effect. Never noticed it as a kid until watching its 100th episode. NOW I hear it and can't UNHEAR it.
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Jfc do I feel old. Not just because you brought up Johnny test but because I can remember when the most hate people had for animation was directed at that show and ttg for being the worst shows on TV. Well that among a few others...mainly ones cartoon reviewer cows have commented on in their salad days.


It feels like only yesterday the worst complaints anyone had about western animation were it's too cheap looking, it's produced to quickly and cheaply as possible, and it's writing is juvinile and crass for the sake of being crass. Now? Well this very thread shows just what's wrong with it now.
 
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A Grey Cat said:
Jfc do I feel old. Not just because you brought up Johnny test but because I can remember when the most hate people had for animation was directed at that show and ttg for being the worst shows on TV. Well that among a few others...mainly ones cartoon reviewer cows have commented on in their salad days.
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I felt the same way about Johnny Test as a kid. Lazy writing, asset flipping, little flow or continuity. If you watched several episodes, you can tell when they start reusing assets and premises. Would I watch it now? Hell no.
 
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Mr. ShadowCreek said:
A show like Doug probably doesn't need more. I will say I do like it's a sequel series and not a reboot. It won't be a Gen Z Doug. I wanted the new Rugrats show to be a sequel where the babies were adults and had kids of their own and the adults were grandparents. But they took the easy way out by just taking the already recognizable characters. So, this could have potential. I just hope they don't do what every other shoe does today and have some trans character or anything. Also, why is Porkchop still alive? He should have been dead for years now.
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It's either a really old porkchop and the reboot will be set in the 2010s where if you go by the show taking place in 99 you could argue he'd still be alive or its a descendant that happens to resemble the first porkchop.

The only reason that drawing looks so good? It's cause the original creator Jim Davis himself drew it on what appears to be the same old school animation cell he would have used all those years ago.
 
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wtfNeedSignUp said:
Anyone watched the video and know what it's about? I remember watching the youtuber but his opinions turned to even more shit and his voice turned exponentially more faggy
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I saw a clip of it where he is like rambling over how a westworld parody is some deep metafiction that calls the fans out because they reference classic simpsons and how popular it was with the memes. He acts like it's cutting edge meta-commentary when it's just a west world parody.
 
The Last Stand said:
I felt the same way about Johnny Test as a kid. Lazy writing, asset flipping, little flow or continuity. If you watched several episodes, you can tell when they start reusing assets and premises. Would I watch it now? Hell no.
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I barely remember Johnny Test but somehow I still remember that the original theme song was better than the one used for most of the series. Also I remember the one sister with the straight hair being kind of cute.
 
Castoreum said:
Am new to the thread. Hey, guys. Please excuse me if I say something retarded. I'm doing my best.

I used to be a huge cartoon/animation buff. I'd watch everything in the past. I had a pipedream once of working in the industry, but I fell off a while back for reasons many people have already talked about. However, it's cool that indie productions are popping up all over the place like daisies. It gives me a bit of hope, even if the productions aren't necessarily my cup of tea, that there is a new era for animation in the near future, but I might just be overly optimistic. My point is: it's easier today than even 10 or so years ago for people to congregate online to make something.

Anyway, I watched Pixar's Cars for the very first time a few weeks ago. I never saw it because I didn't like cars/racing. It seems like a movie for adults rather than children since its central themes are the fading culture of Americana and how highway bypasses can destroy a small town community. I was really impressed at how good it was. I put it up there with Ratatouille in how mature its storytelling is.
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There's definitely more going on now compared to, say, the late 2010's. I don't know if I'd say the future is bright, but we are starting to get a variety of different types of animation again which is nice.
 
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Basic Blond Boy said:
OP likes the episodes like the one where Flanders gets in trouble with a gang as it takes the well-meaning Flanders and forces him to take immoral actions while deconstructing his father as being a bad person in secret. The idea being that Ned is only moral because he never faced a situation where he couldn't be.
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Holy shit that's infuriating, it's classic edgy atheist "oh you only believe because you are privileged", which has tons of racist tones along the lines of Niggers being allowed to do bad things because they aren't privileged. It's especially bad when those types of messages are being told by the most privileged people in existence.

Basic Blond Boy said:
He also likes the episode with Marge and Homer stranded in the woods as it is quite for most of it.
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Sounds like bog standard artsy episode that people think is mind breaking because they regularly under a torrent of distractions.
Basic Blond Boy said:
He ends praising Tree House of Horrors for the skit that is Westworld, but the Simpsons are in the simulation, repeating all the iconic moments. Homer fights against the old fans for holding back the Simpsons and letting them move beyond the old seasons.
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Classic modern writer narcissism who try to gaslit audience into thinking they are improving things rather than making them pretentious and degenerate (in all meanings of the term).

If anything it sounds like Simpsons is even worse now.
 
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wtfNeedSignUp said:
Holy shit that's infuriating, it's classic edgy atheist "oh you only believe because you are privileged", which has tons of racist tones along the lines of Niggers being allowed to do bad things because they aren't privileged. It's especially bad when those types of messages are being told by the most privileged people in existence.
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I think I am making the premise sound more pretentious then it is. It is a simple episode of a man needing to go through the possibility of breaking his morals for a situation. Ned finds money of a mob boss accidentally and donates it to charity. Said mob boss is now hunting him down, so he cannot be the same no-violence character as he is put in a life or death situation that somehow brings in all of Springfield. At worst, the pretentiousness seems to be making Ned’s father bad.
 
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Basic Blond Boy said:
I think I am making the premise sound more pretentious then it is. It is a simple episode of a man needing to go through the possibility of breaking his morals for a situation. Ned finds money of a mob boss accidentally and donates it to charity. Said mob boss is now hunting him down, so he cannot be the same no-violence character as he is put in a life or death situation that somehow broods in all of Springfield. At worst, the pretentiousness seems to be making Ned’s father bad.
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Wouldn't he gove the money to the police instead of donating it immediately? Aso since when self defence is immoral?
 
Castoreum said:
Am new to the thread. Hey, guys. Please excuse me if I say something retarded. I'm doing my best.

I used to be a huge cartoon/animation buff. I'd watch everything in the past. I had a pipedream once of working in the industry, but I fell off a while back for reasons many people have already talked about. However, it's cool that indie productions are popping up all over the place like daisies. It gives me a bit of hope, even if the productions aren't necessarily my cup of tea, that there is a new era for animation in the near future, but I might just be overly optimistic. My point is: it's easier today than even 10 or so years ago for people to congregate online to make something.

Anyway, I watched Pixar's Cars for the very first time a few weeks ago. I never saw it because I didn't like cars/racing. It seems like a movie for adults rather than children since its central themes are the fading culture of Americana and how highway bypasses can destroy a small town community. I was really impressed at how good it was. I put it up there with Ratatouille in how mature its storytelling is.
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I understand you, actually I hated Cars for a looong time, for me it was a very stupid worldbuilding, but honestly, after Toy Story 4, The Incredibles 2, etc. Cars is not that bad, at least it shows you good character development and a real problematic, like you said, about how the highways destroyed the American little towns

Just don´t watch Cars 2 and 3, believe me
 
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