2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

As I mentioned earlier, a minimum of 5000 Israeli casualties and these bombings are going to be as effective as those on Yugoslavia, where NATO over-estimated the casualty rate and equipment destruction of the Serbs by at least a factor of 10 if not closer to 100 in some cases.

I do think that I read an article about the US sending bunker busters to Israel though so who knows. Any deployment of those yet?
 
A bit late, but yeah.
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What a coincidence, the guys of American Thinker posted an article about this. https://www.americanthinker.com/blo..._bombing_those_gazans_escaping_from_gaza.html

October 15, 2023

No, Israel is not bombing those Gazans escaping from Gaza​

By Andrea Widburg

Hamas infiltrated Israel and murdered more than a thousand people, wounded twice that number, and kidnapped hundreds of people. Their own paperwork shows that civilians were their intended targets. Israel is vowing (finally) to end Hamas. Because Hamas has deliberately embedded its weapons and headquarters in civilian enclaves (schools, hospitals, etc.), military necessity dictates that Israel destroy those buildings. However, decency and the ordinary rules of war mean that Israel gave Gazans advanced warning to clear those buildings. Naturally, Hamas now claims that, once Gazans hit the road, Israel bombed them. Its imagery is manifestly fake, but that won’t stop the lies from spreading.
Here’s the Palestinian propaganda:
 
Why are you replying to yourself? Holocaust denial is a thing because it’s easier to fixation on the obvious exaggerations than say “I don’t give a shit about crap that happened in Deutschistan 100 years ago”.

You didn’t need to post all that shit. His ex-wife and current wife are both Jewish. Anybody with a brain knows that entails some level of sympathy towards Jewish people.
One of the reasons Holocaust Denialism started was because the Germans didn't do the camps and shit in their home, they shipped them off to Poland. First they tried open air ghetto's and containment prisons but putting a bunch of Jews, Political Prisoners, etc. in a box led to them going like Hamas and trying to start riots so Germans did what Germans do and industrialized the executions with German efficiency. Which leads into point 2, the idea that anyone would be able to lead people on what was basically a factory line to be gassed like they were steel being turned into a car frame. Honestly in the context of the Holocaust, the fact Israel did to Gaza what was done to them as the third to final solution is kind of funny. They couldn't even do it as efficiently as the Germans, my ex Wehrmacht uncle is probably laughing in his retirement home and doesn't know why.
 
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My hot take:

It seems like once again this region is on the brink of exploding with risks of escalation of the conflict. A peaceful resolution seems like a difficult objective to reach before more blood gets spilled between both sides. On the geopolitical scale we can see that there is an increasing divide between pro-western countries and those who would prefer an alternative from the current status quo. Regular folks are also divided on this topic, the propaganda machine is once again forcing everyone to pick a side like during the previous global crisis such as covid or the war in Ukraine.

Now that I've shared my humble observation I would like to submit a tangible solution to neutralize the issue in the Israelo-Palestinian territory.
Imo the only way to fix that region in the long term is to force the area to be neutral: demilitarize both entities, dissolve the political structures and establish the place as a natural reserve like Antarctica. Create an international commission with a sit for each religious groups and redistribute funds from the US aid package for developing economy of the area and preserve historical sites. Any party making belligerent claims be it political/cultural/religious nature should be punished for trying to breach peace.

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk!

I liked your TED-Talk as an escapist fantasy where the international community is run by rational people with no agendas thinking about how to make the world a better place for those countries that may have a dysfunctional relationship with each other.

10/10.
It actually is a good idea.
 
It's not false! Same as Russia had a clear casus belli to invade Ukraine. But the Anglo world is working hard to deny Russia's right to protect their brothers. Just like the Anglos did after WW2 to Natsy Germany. For your own good stop believing every piece of propaganda coming from UK and US!

MatI segment:
Why shouldn't they threadban you for being a good goyim? You are so fucking far up their propaganda you are a perfect citizen. What are you doing on Kiwi? Isn't Reddit or Resetera a better suited place for you. There the naughty words are banned so you don't have to engage your thinking.
Well now, that was gay.


Everyone else on the thread, carry on as you were.
 
It's not false! Same as Russia had a clear casus belli to invade Ukraine. But the Anglo world is working hard to deny Russia's right to protect their brothers. Just like the Anglos did after WW2 to Natsy Germany. For your own good stop believing every piece of propaganda coming from UK and US!

MatI segment:
Why shouldn't they threadban you for being a good goyim? You are so fucking far up their propaganda you are a perfect citizen. What are you doing on Kiwi? Isn't Reddit or Resetera a better suited place for you. There the naughty words are banned so you don't have to engage your thinking.
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When 4chan sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing autists. They’re bringing retards. They’re troons. And some, I assume, are good people. :trump:
 
My hot take:

It seems like once again this region is on the brink of exploding with risks of escalation of the conflict. A peaceful resolution seems like a difficult objective to reach before more blood gets spilled between both sides. On the geopolitical scale we can see that there is an increasing divide between pro-western countries and those who would prefer an alternative from the current status quo. Regular folks are also divided on this topic, the propaganda machine is once again forcing everyone to pick a side like during the previous global crisis such as covid or the war in Ukraine.

Now that I've shared my humble observation I would like to submit a tangible solution to neutralize the issue in the Israelo-Palestinian territory.
Imo the only way to fix that region in the long term is to force the area to be neutral: demilitarize both entities, dissolve the political structures and establish the place as a natural reserve like Antarctica. Create an international commission with a sit for each religious groups and redistribute funds from the US aid package for developing economy of the area and preserve historical sites. Any party making belligerent claims be it political/cultural/religious nature should be punished for trying to breach peace.

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk!
Hey look everyone, another drive-by solved 70 years of turmoil in 5 minutes from the comfort of his fortnight battle station. Time to pack it up and go home!
 
Here's something pretty funny. Reading the actual Old Testament, it's pretty much a cycle of "Jews disobey God and eat shit for it". After a few short years trying to get to their promised land, about ten minutes after their boss heads up to the mountain, they're making a golden calf to worship. Only by returning to the path of righteousness do they get to finally get to their promised land. Then the Kingdom of Judea becomes decadent and flying in God's face and they eat shit again.

And then they reject His Son.

As far as I am concerned, bad shit is befalling Israel because it is inevitable that God's chosen people yet again be punished for defying His will. The Jewish tricks they're pulling out to cover for the fact that their military got complacent and their TikTok thirst brigades aren't exactly good for actually fighting actively drain sympathy for them.
 
Yea theres already a lot of backlash even with shit like the UK openly banning pro Pali protests...a rule which was defied massively
The UK actually didn't ban pro-Palestine protests. France and Germany did. The UK's pro-Palestine protests were fully legal, to the point that the Labour party had to tell its MPs not to go to the protest with the party's banner, because "individuals will not have the ability to control who they are photographed alongside and this risks threatening the Labour Party's ability to campaign against any form of racism and discrimination"

What happened in the UK is Suella Braverman, the Home Secretary, gave the police advice on public order offences:
“It is not just explicit pro-Hamas symbols and chants that are cause for concern. I would encourage police to consider whether chants such as: ‘From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free’ should be understood as an expression of a violent desire to see Israel erased from the world, and whether its use in certain contexts may amount to a racially aggravated section 5 public order offence.

“I would encourage police to give similar consideration to the presence of symbols such as swastikas at anti-Israel demonstrations. Context is crucial. Behaviours that are legitimate in some circumstances, for example the waving of a Palestinian flag, may not be legitimate such as when intended to glorify acts of terrorism.

“Nor is it acceptable to drive through Jewish neighbourhoods, or single out Jewish members of the public, to aggressively chant or wave pro-Palestinian symbols at. Where harassment is identified, I would encourage the police to take swift and appropriate enforcement action.

“I encourage all chief officers to ensure that any protests which could exacerbate community tensions by way of offensive placards, chants, or behaviours that could be construed as incitement or harassment, have a strong police presence to ensure perpetrators are appropriately dealt with, and that communities feel protected,” she wrote. Home Office sources confirmed her words had been approved by government lawyers.

Decisions on arrests are an operational matter for the police, Braverman wrote. “However, I would urge you to ensure your forces use all available powers to prevent disorder and distress to our communities, and that your officers will act if there are any incidents that stray into criminality,” she said.

The human rights barrister Shami Chakrabarti said “[that] the letter had been so readily press-released suggests that the intervention is at best virtue signalling and at worst seeking to compromise operational independence”, adding: “Police chiefs know their powers and duties. Anxious and vulnerable minority communities are not made safer by the politicisation of policing in difficult and dangerous times.”
The way Public Order Offences work is basically if you do something with the intent of causing alarm, distress or intimidation and people feel alarmed, distressed or intimidated, then it's a crime - but you could do the same thing in a different context and it isn't. So for example, walking along waving a Palestinian flag isn't illegal, but standing outside a synagogue waving a Palestinian flag could be a Public Order Offence. Same deal with swearing - it's obviously not illegal, but if you stand in the street shouting swearwords at everyone passing by then that is a Public Order Offence (and then there's different levels e.g. arguing with a group of trans women you've met in a pub that they're men is not a public order offence, yelling it outside a transgender club is more of an offence, and following a trans woman to yell "you're a man" in a way that's especially threatening is even more of a public order offence).

Generally speaking police will usually just try and move someone along to diffuse the situation (British police are quite different from American police in that regard, although I think "I don't want the paperwork" is universal). Hence how you end up with a scene like this:


For context that this is Vahid Beheshti, who lives in a tent outside the Foreign Office and has been on "hunger strike" since February - he's an British Iranian activist who wants the UK Government to classify the Iranian armed forces as a terrorist organisation. He specifically put up an Israeli flag to antagonise the protesters who he kept calling Islamists, IRGC terrorists, "Khamenei's Basijis" etc. etc. so they nicked the flag off his tent and then he chased them down and grabbed it back and it devolved from there.

The police factor provocation into their response so it's not unusual for a protest of this size that the outcome was basically separating him from the mob and telling the mob to move on (and wouldn't have arrested anyone if they did, not sure if this was one of the arrests).
Additional context on this one - the "No Surrender" flag identifies this lot as members of one of the many descendants of the EDL (English Defence League), who are specifically anti-Muslim. No Surrender actually comes from an old anti-IRA chant which English football hooligans chant to piss off Irish teams and Celtic fans. The bloke flicking his v's on their flag is this photo-
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- which was a skinhead getting arrested at a National Front demo in the 1981 (the National Front were openly white supremacist and wanted to deport every non-white person from the UK and also any white people who'd gone out with or were going out with someone who wasn't white).

Basically, they came to have a fight, and they got one.

Don't let this be taken to suggest I think "randomly beating up people in the street because you don't agree with them" is a good thing, because I don't, but one thing I will say for the British police (who are usually useless) is they're good at recognising agent provacteurs will turn up to these things to rile people up into a fight.
 
All this talk seems super harsh and kind of evil to me at first (especially from my comfy bed on the other side of the world where none of it affects me). But then I look back and remember 9/11 and how all the normal, peaceful, non-hateful adults in my life were suddenly screaming at the tv and wanting the US to just nuke an entire region and destroy somebody - anybody - just as retribution for what they just did to us.
The difference is that Americans didn’t spend the last 80 years telling everyone that genocide is the most evil thing imaginable.

If the Jews wipe out Gaza like the radicals in Israeli leadership want, Holocaust guilting will no longer work on anyone but the most brainwashed Germans and Evangelical boomers.
 
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