2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

The IDF's oldest reservist, 95-year-old Erza Yachin, called on all Israelis to kill all Arab neighbors. "Erase the memory of them. Erase them, their families, their mothers and children. These animals have no right to live!" - he declared, addressing the soldiers.
All this talk seems super harsh and kind of evil to me at first (especially from my comfy bed on the other side of the world where none of it affects me). But then I look back and remember 9/11 and how all the normal, peaceful, non-hateful adults in my life were suddenly screaming at the tv and wanting the US to just nuke an entire region and destroy somebody - anybody - just as retribution for what they just did to us. I was re-listening to the archived Howard Stern show from that morning recently too and everyone, even in the super liberal northeast, was calling in yelling that it’s time to “bomb these towelheads out of existence” and shit. People get super fucking pissed immediately after terror attacks. There’s little logic or empathy in the moments that follow, just pure emotion and rage.
I’m not defending Grandpa Jew’s call for genocide, but it’s kinda like that Sam Kinison joke about wife-beating: “I don’t condone it, but I understand.”
 
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All this talk seems super harsh and kind of evil to me at first (especially from my comfy bed on the other side of the world where none of it affects me). But then I look back and remember 9/11 and how all the normal, peaceful, non-hateful adults in my life were suddenly screaming at the tv and wanting the US to just nuke an entire region and destroy somebody - anybody - just as retribution for what they just did to us. I was re-listening to the archived Howard Stern show from that morning recently too and everyone, even in the super liberal northeast, was calling in yelling that it’s time to “bomb these towelheads out of existence” and shit. People get super fucking pissed immediately after terror attacks. There’s little logic or empathy in the moments that follow, just pure emotion and rage.
I’m not defending Grandpa Jew’s call for genocide, but it’s kinda like that Sam Kinison joke about wife-beating: “I don’t condone it, but I understand.”
Just some context: grandpa Jew here was part of Lehi/the Stern gang, a group that was so racist and radical that the newly established Israeli government declared them terrorists and almost brought the whole group on charges. They carried out some of the worst ethnic cleansing during the Independence war like the Deir Yassin massacre. They believed in Jewish supremacy and wanted to kick all Arabs out of Palestine. A political party who esposed their beliefs called Kach was banned in Israel for being too racist against arabs.

This is essentially like listening to your elderly grandpa who was in the KKK screaming about how we need to kill those niggers and reminiscing about the cross burnings he used to have.

edit: after doing more research this grandpa was actually involved in Deir Yassin. He probably gunned down some women and children himself.


Not everyone in Israel thinks that a person with your strong patriotic views should be allowed to speak to young IDF soldiers.

To some mixed-up people, being a patriotic Zionist is some kind of sin. In 2002, the Meretz Party tried to ban my lectures, claiming that I distorted history and glorified what they call “the massacre in Deir Yassin.”

What did, in fact, happen at Deir Yassin?

A few weeks before the Old City fell to Jordanian troops, my Lehi unit was called upon to join Etzel in an attack on the Arab village of Deir Yassin near the entrance to Jerusalem. The village was a terrorist hideout. For months during the Arab siege on Jerusalem, Arab snipers would leave the village to fire on Jewish vehicles attempting to reach the barricaded and starving city.

Leftist historians claim that we ruthlessly, and with premeditation, slaughtered the inhabitants of the village, including women and children. That was not the case at all. It is true that women and youngsters were killed, but that was because they served as fighters.

Did Haganah forces join you?

At this stage of the war, once the British were out of the picture, sometimes we fought together and sometimes on our own. We were a force of about 100 men. My job was to race between the units as the communications officer. We had no walky-talkies.

Before reaching the village, we sent a command car to broadcast that we were coming, calling on the villagers to surrender. That proved to be a mistake as it gave them a chance to get ready for our arrival. While flags stood out from their windows and doors, but when we proceeded into the village, all hell broke loose.

We found ourselves under heavy fire from all directions. Immediately, several of our soldiers were killed. Arab women and children had rifles like the men. We had to battle our way from house to house. Arab men dressed as women surprised more than one of our troops. The fighting was intense. We had no choice but to hit them with all of the firepower we had. When the villagers finally surrender, there were many dead, on both sides.

We had orders to put the villagers on trucks and to take them to Arab-controlled areas and release them there. When they heard about what happened in Deir Yassin, Arabs from other villages in the area packed up their belongings and fled. We didn’t expel them. After Deir Yassin, they left on their own.

What happened to you in the battle to free Jerusalem from the Arab siege?

We were told the operation would begin at 11 in the evening. My unit waited and waited. Then we heard that our government had agreed to a ceasefire to begin at five in the morning. We wanted to charge forward and capture as many streets and alleyways that we could before the ceasefire commenced.

We kept waiting for orders to attack. Later, it turned out that the government didn’t want to capture the Old City. In the meantime, the Jordanians began a heavy bombardment of our positions. I was hit in the head. Doctors operated on me for a full 24 hours in Shaare Zedek Hospital. They said it was a miracle that I survived. I had lost not only a large quantity of blood, but also brain fluid. I lost the sight in one eye, but I lived.

I remember a voice out of heaven asking me what I wanted. I said I wanted to see Tzahal capture the Old City. It happened 19 years later in the Six-Day War. The miracle was overwhelming. The armies of all the Arabs around us were poised to attack. They vowed to drive the Jews into the sea.

Then, from out of the sky, Hashem sent hornets to paralyze our enemies, just like it says in the Torah, “I will send hatzira (hornets) before you” – the hornets of our air force fighter jets.

In six miraculous days, we defeated our enemies. We conquered Har HaBayit. But our leaders didn’t understand the greatness of the hour. They allowed the Arabs to remain there. At least, I thought, all of the Jews in the world will raise their heads in pride and return home to the Promised Land. But that didn’t happen either.
 
Just some context: grandpa Jew here was part of Lehi/the Stern gang, a group that was so racist and radical that the newly established Israeli government declared them terrorists and almost brought the whole group on charges. They carried out some of the worst ethnic cleansing during the Independence war like the Deir Yassin massacre. They believed in Jewish supremacy and wanted to kick all Arabs out of Palestine. A political party who esposed their beliefs called Kach was banned in Israel for being too racist against arabs.

This is essentially like listening to your elderly grandpa who was in the KKK screaming about how we need to kill those niggers and reminiscing about the cross burnings he used to have.

edit: after doing more research this grandpa was actually involved in Deir Yassin. He probably gunned down some women and children himself.

Thanks for the background info.
In an odd way, it kind of makes me understand it even more. Never saw my racist grandpa spout off more than he did during the 2020 BLM riots. Seeing the people that you already hate and dehumanize full-on chimping out like animals in the way Hamas just did (and the way BLM fucks did back then) just makes you feel even more validated in your hatred and probably gets you super pumped over the fact that public opinion is seeing your side and you have an excuse to go on all the racist rants you want and dole out countless “I told you so”s
 
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THE DOME OF WAR​

Cartoon published 10/14/2023

Israel has a defense system known as the ‘Iron Dome,’ which fires missiles to destroy incoming rockets. About 90 percent effective, it doesn’t deter terrorist groups from firing such rockets. Israel’s dome can’t compete with the ‘Dome of War.’ We’re seeing it in action right now. Here are some things that cannot penetrate that dome:


FREE SPEECH:

Trump recently commented that Hezbollah was ‘very smart.’ Outrage instantly rained down from the corporate media as well as politicians on both sides of the aisle as the media took it out of content. Trump was not trying to compliment the leaders of Hezbollah—he was merely saying something that is true. He also said President Xi was smart. It’s acknowledging reality, but the Dome of War tends to discourage an alignment with reality.

Similarly, many at the US far-left universities are anti-Semitic. They actually praised Hamas and defended Palestine. They were met with similar outrage and many students who dared to voice their support of Palestine were threatened. The powers that be wanted to make sure such students never receive employment once they graduated. This is anti-free speech measure. I’ve said a lot of stupid things in college that I regret, and I know what it feels like to be threatened because I used my free speech. Some on the left told me they’d make sure I got fired. It was disturbing, but I was self-employed. Still, I lost a lot of commercial work due to their reaction to my cartoons. The ability to make a living should not depend on having politically correct opinions.

We must remain free to discuss what’s going on in Israel. It doesn’t mean we support ’the terrorists.’ We should be able to question why Israel failed to detect the massive attack. Apparently Egypt warned them. Our own intelligence operations should have known, but I guess they’re too busy spying on Trump-supporting Americans.



LESSONS OF HISTORY:

Hamas and their Palestinian supporters don’t ever seem to learn their lesson. Their goal is to drive all Jews out of the territory and into the sea. They do not recognize Israel—instead they claim the Jews are ‘occupiers’ who need to be eliminated completely from Palestine. Anyone who knows a bit of history has learned that Jews have always lived there—they’ve certainly been there a lot longer than Islam has existed. The Jews could rightly claim that Israel existed long before anyone heard of Palestine—and if anyone needs to be driven to the sea it’s the Muslims. Israel won’t do that because they are far more civilized than Hamas.

If one could go back in time and warn the Romans not to fall into the trap at Cannae, I doubt they would still go ahead and allow Hannibal’s forces to destroy 50,000 of their men. If someone warned Hamas not to keep making the same mistake of attacking Israel, they would ignore it and keep doing that very same thing—even though it means the death of thousands of Palestinians! Palestinian terrorists are so brainwashed by hate that they can’t learn the lessons of their own history. Herodotus would be wincing.

LOGIC AND REASON:

After the monstrous attack on Israeli civilians—including children, the corporate media did not care much about honest reporting. They cared about beating the war drums as loudly as they could. Mark Levin’s already high voice reached an even higher pitch. He could have exploded a wine glass. Loudmouth Sean Hannity and his tough-talking sidekick and chicken hawk, Lindsey Graham, all demanded more US aid to Israel—both in the form of billions of US tax dollars as well as munitions. Something is not logical with this, though—but similar to suppressing free speech, one is not supposed to apply logic to the situation—only the emotion of anger, which everyone knows can be leveraged to further the goals of the powerful. (Think of 9-11).



America is already sending Israel $3 billion annually and it was actually codified into law. They are a prosperous, industrious, and smart nation, but apparently they need constant help from the US. They should be able to take care of themselves, but the war means we must send them even more. Israel is NOT our 51st state, even though many US politicians hold dual citizenship. (Maybe the US is Israel’s subsidiary.) What beggars logic is the Biden administration has also sent Hamas many millions of dollars in ‘aid.’ Biden’s disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan meant Hamas got US weapons from the Taliban! Even worse, it is said that Ukraine has sold arms they received from US to Hamas. To make matters still worse, Biden has sent Iran many billions of dollars! Funding both sides of the war is not logical.

Do not dare employ logic and reason, though—you need only to stay mad! What Hamas did was abhorrent. End of story. Don’t look deeper—just do as your told! The war mongers want to leverage what happened and get us into a war against Iran. Israel wants that war too, but they need US help. A nuclear-armed Iran is too much of a threat to them. It can be argued that this may be why the far-right Netanyahu ‘allowed’ the attack by Hamas.


PEACE:

The Dome of War repels the desire for peace. Any Palestinian that proposed peace will most likely be assassinated. Don’t you dare talk about peace! Jihad!
There can be no peace with people who have been so thoroughly brainwashed to hate Israel. To be sure, the Palestinians will soon be crying for another ceasefire to buy them time. They will portray themselves as victims. Critics will urge that Israel ‘go easy’ on Palestinian civilians while Hamas terrorists shield themselves by hiding in schools and hospitals. (They would use their own children as human shields if they could). The terrorists possess neither honor nor dignity. Only hate. Peace stands little chance with such people.


NEGOTIATION:

This doesn’t mean Palestine won’t negotiate to buy time. In the year 2000, it looked like Clinton would make a landmark achievement by hammering out a peace deal between Israel and the leader of the Palestinians, Yasser Arafat. I followed the developments and it struck me that Israel was doing its best to settle a deal that favored Palestine. Peace seemed to be at hand. But no, Arafat changed his mind! He wanted ALL the Jews out of the region. I remember hearing him barking, “Jihad, Jihad, Jihad!” Arafat bought time for the terrorists to regroup and attack again.

EMPATHY:

The War Dome prevents empathy and understanding between the combatants. Both sides paint their enemies as inhuman monsters. It happened in the US when nuclear bombs were dropped on innocent men, women, and children in Japan. If there’s one thing that’s especially not allowed within the Dome of War, it’s empathy. Love is not allowed, only war.


THE LAW:

International Humanitarian Law supposedly regulates conduct during armed conflict. The Geneva Convention established these laws and Israel is expected to follow them. Hamas, of course, does not. They are murderers who have no problem attacking Israeli schools or killing Jewish babies. Israel has every right to destroy Hamas, but that means destroying a great many so-called ‘innocent’ Palestinians as well. We are already hearing how Israel’s strikes should be ‘proportional.’ This is music to Palestinian ears. It means that they will be allowed to recover, regroup, and strike Israel again and again.

All of this only underscores our Founding Father’s very sound advice: Avoid foreign entanglements.


THE LAW:


International Humanitarian Law supposedly regulates conduct during armed conflict. The Geneva Convention established these laws and Israel is expected to follow them. Hamas, of course, does not. They are murderers who have no problem attacking Israeli schools or killing Jewish babies. Israel has every right to destroy Hamas, but that means destroying a great many so-called ‘innocent’ Palestinians as well. We are already hearing how Israel’s strikes should be ‘proportional.’ This is music to Palestinian ears. It means that they will be allowed to recover, regroup, and strike Israel again and again.

All of this only underscores our Founding Father’s very sound advice: Avoid foreign entanglements.
 
regardless of what many people in this side of the internet believe the Jews are held to a double standard ,even more so, the Israelis
We gave you $100 billion dollars in military aid, the destruction of Saddam Hussein's Iraq, thousands of dead American soldiers, the simpering obeisance of bribed and blackmailed US politicians, zero consequences for your aggressive espionage against us your supposed "ally," Stuxnet, F-35s, the exclusive privilege to engage in militant ethno-nationalism, massive deference from an overwhelmingly Jewish media and foreign policy network, and now two carrier strike groups watching over your soldiers while they bomb and shell women and children. May Gazan rockets land on all of your grandmothers' heads you disgusting two-faced desert leeches. Hit me with fedoras but may God strike Israel.

Except for Israelis who aren't dicks, you guys stay safe
 
I may be a retard, but why is Hezbollah being so public about joining Hamas? Wouldn’t it make more sense to just do a surprise attack like Hamas did?

Hezbollah is fully committed in Syria. They are whole sale owned by Iran, and Syria falls Iran loses their Iraq/Syria corridor to the Mediterranean. That is much more important than a few dead jews, so they will not redeploy any significant assets while the Syrian civil war is going on. Its questionable, given that Hezbollah positions in Syria have been bombed and missiled by Israel in reprisal before, if they will commit any actual personnel to the fight because that would risk Israel going full "Find Out" on Hezbollah positions which would be a huge blow to the Government Side and could result in some territorial control changing.

So Hezbollah is offering public support to Hamas to make them seem more valid, but is taking no actual action.
 
The IDF's oldest reservist, 95-year-old Erza Yachin, called on all Israelis to kill all Arab neighbors. "Erase the memory of them. Erase them, their families, their mothers and children. These animals have no right to live!" - he declared, addressing the soldiers.

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I recall reading this guy was a member of the Israeli Fascist party Lehi, lmfao. They briefly cooperated with the NSDAP before the big oopsie's between Jews and Germans of WW2 happened.
 
We gave you $100 billion dollars in military aid, the destruction of Saddam Hussein's Iraq, thousands of dead American soldiers, the simpering obeisance of bribed and blackmailed US politicians, zero consequences for your aggressive espionage against us your supposed "ally," Stuxnet, F-35s, the exclusive privilege to engage in militant ethno-nationalism, massive deference from an overwhelmingly Jewish media and foreign policy network, and now two carrier strike groups watching over your soldiers while they bomb and shell women and children. May Gazan rockets land on all of your grandmothers' heads you disgusting two-faced desert leeches. Hit me with fedoras but may God strike Israel.

Except for Israelis who aren't dicks, you guys stay safe
What would you do if I told you that half of that shit you said was done in partnership with the USA. AND what would you do if I told you the people who spy on the USA the most are actually its other allies. Look in the world of international relations there are no friends only allies.
 
Anyway according to the Geneva Convention this is a clear war crime. On par with shooting parachuting pilots.

The Laws of War are predicated solely on reciprocity. If one side abrogates the rules, they cannot then say that their enemy cannot. This is the unwritten law of war. If you kill my POW's, I will kill your POW's. If you kill my civilians, I will kill yours. If you use chemical weapons to make my soldiers die in screaming agony, I will use chemical weapons to make your soldiers die in screaming agony. If you use a flag of truce to dupe me into a massacre, I will use a flag of truce to dupe you into a massacre.

Hamas is operating outside the laws of the war, and as such they are no longer protected by them. As consequence, neither is anyone else under their power. The international community will keep bringing up the laws of war, because that is what they must do, but make no mistake. Gaza will burn for what happened last week, and the architects of the coming apocalypse for Gaza will never be brought to account because...they dindu nuffin.

Okay, lets make something clear: Hamas NEVER had any right to protection under the laws and rules of war. To be protected under those, you have to be a uniformed, LAWFUL combatant. Hamas fighters are neither. Hamas is not a recognized government; it is a terrorist organization. Its fighters are not part of a uniformed military. They are an irregular militia who regularly hide amongst civilians to carry out their attacks. As such, they are not subject to the laws and rules of war. They get no protections from the Geneva Conventions or the like. They are treated the same as mercenaries or spies in the event of capture; as no better than armed thugs or brigands, subject to potential summary execution.
 
There's been exactly one battle in all of human history where both US and Israeli servicemen fired shots in anger. Can you guess which battle it was?
Is it the one where both leaders realized that they were acting stupid and both equally decided to just move on? Because if it is the USS Liberty, just say it and don't be a cuck. It was 50 years ago, get over it. Also the USA wasn't Israelis greatest ally at the time and was closer to Egypt than Israel. I mean it was a complete fuck up on Israel's part but again move on.

So according to I24 news, the IDF is postponing the invasion a bit to allow for the civilians to evacuate. Or as they say "please stand by your call is very important to us"
 
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The goal was to get Israel involved in a war kill lots of civilians and set back any Israeli normalization efforts as Israel normalizing relations in the middle east would spell troub

I think that's the only thing that makes sense. Maybe they knew their time was over if Israel signed up with the Saudis and the Saudis were even normalizing relations with Iran.
Fuck'em. Palestine will be better without Hamas too. They never should've existed.


Hezbollah is fully committed in Syria. They are whole sale owned by Iran, and Syria falls Iran loses their Iraq/Syria corridor to the Mediterranean. That is much more important than a few dead jews, so they will not redeploy any significant assets while the Syrian civil war is going on. Its questionable, given that Hezbollah positions in Syria have been bombed and missiled by Israel in reprisal before, if they will commit any actual personnel to the fight because that would risk Israel going full "Find Out" on Hezbollah positions which would be a huge blow to the Government Side and could result in some territorial control changing.

So Hezbollah is offering public support to Hamas to make them seem more valid, but is taking no actual action.

It doesn't seem like Hezbollah was informed about this. They seem to be reacting as an afterthought, doing some moral-supporting actions.
Israeli propaganda keeps saying Iran is behind this. I doubt it. Qatar though, Qatar could be.
Those guys are in a tricky position. They need Iran to fuck with the Saudis or the Saudis swallow them, they are super antagonistic supporting various factions all over the middle east like in Egypt (Muslim Brotherhood) or Libya, and the leader of Hamas is chilling in Qatar.
Qatar is like the fucking Vatican of the middle east but in a mindset that's 200+ years behind our current timeline.
Damnit, what if the Qatari's basically told Hamas "either you do this or your leadership gets its residency permit withdrawn"?

At most Iran acted through Qatar. Irans only play could be to isolate Israel while appearing like the champion of Palestinians but its not really worth to start a war over.


"Iranian foreign minister meets with Palestinian Hamas' leader in Doha, Al Jazeera reports"


Explained | Who is Ismail Haniyeh? Hamas leader who masterminded attack on Israel, while sitting in Doha​

"First off, Haniyeh is quite rich. Reports suggest that it comes from the 20 per cent tax charged on all things entering through burrows from Egypt to the Gaza Strip. Haniyeh, as of now, is leading an extravagant way of life in Qatar, which many reports say is lending its support to Hamas.

 
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