UK The 'gay tax' facing same-sex couples starting a family - The 'tax' is that the NHS is only willing to pay for fertility treatments for people who are actually infertile

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Kate and Keri Davies welcomed Luca after moving abroad, where they could save for IVF | JOHN BOON, BBC NEWS

By Lauren Moss and Josh Parry, LGBT correspondent and producer
BBC News
1 day ago

Same-sex couples are still having to pay thousands of pounds before they can access NHS fertility treatment, BBC News has found.


In England, the NHS will fund in-vitro fertilisation (IVF) for heterosexual couples who have been trying for a baby unsuccessfully for at least two years and meet certain other criteria such as age and weight.

But same-sex couples are often expected to demonstrate their infertility before the NHS will fund IVF - and to do so must pay privately for between three and 12 rounds of artificial insemination.

Couples say they have spent more than £20,000 on the treatment.

Last year, the government promised fairer access to NHS fertility treatment for same-sex couples and single women, saying they would no longer need to privately fund rounds of artificial insemination before becoming eligible.

But after BBC News contacted all 42 Integrated Care Boards (ICBs) in England - which make the final decision about who can have NHS-funded IVF in their local area - its analysis found:
  • Only four offer fertility treatment to same-sex couples who have not already paid privately for artificial insemination
  • A further 10 are currently reviewing their policies
  • For those couples, same-sex and heterosexual, who qualify for IVF, the number of attempts they can access varies by location - some ICBs offer up to three cycles, others only one
Campaigners have called the need to privately fund rounds of artificial insemination a "gay tax" and urged the government to follow through on its promise to "remove financial barriers".

The Department for Health and Social Care (DHSC) says there is a 10-year plan to improve how the health system listens to women and girls.

But while campaigners and policymakers wrangle over the details, there is a real-life impact for couples dreaming of starting a family.

  • In-vitro fertilisation (IVF) - the process during which an egg is removed from a woman's ovaries and fertilised with sperm in a laboratory. The fertilised egg, called an embryo, is then returned to the woman's womb to grow and develop
  • Intrauterine insemination (IUI) - a fertility treatment that involves directly inserting sperm into a woman's womb

Shauna Mansbridge, 30, has always wanted to have a baby. But when she and her partner, Faye Hawkins, went to see their GP, in Dorset, they were told they would only qualify for IVF on the NHS if they had already self-funded 12 unsuccessful cycles of artificial insemination.

The cost varies but Shauna and Faye, 33, discovered it would cost them at least £30,000 for 12 rounds of intrauterine insemination (IUI).

"It's the one time in my life I've felt discriminated against," Faye says, "and I didn't think it would be by the NHS."

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Shauna and Faye have spent their life savings and still have not had a baby | SHAUNA MANSBRIDGE

Although a cycle of artificial insemination is cheaper than a cycle of IVF, the chances of success are lower and it can involve paying for tests, medication and sperm.

And most sperm banks will ship to registered fertility clinics only, leaving most same-sex couples with no choice but to have treatment there.
Given the cost of IUI, and the likely emotional toll of repeated attempts, Shauna and Faye decided their money would be better spent paying privately for IVF instead of trying to meet the criteria for NHS-funded treatment.

And the couple have now spent their life savings - £22,000, what might have been a deposit on a house or paid for a wedding - in pursuit of their dream of starting a family.

"We had to make a lot of sacrifices," Shauna says, "but this is our only route to motherhood."

They have undergone two IVF cycles and the process is taking its toll on them.

"There's all these stages [of treatment] - and you get to one stage and you're disappointed, you get to another stage, you're a little bit more disappointed, and you just don't have control over the outcomes," Shauna says. "It's tough on both of us."

Contacted about Faye and Shauna's case, NHS Dorset told BBC News it would consider couples who had had six rounds of IUI. But BBC News has seen a letter from the NHS that incorrectly states Faye and Shauna would need 12.

Scotland is the only place in the UK that provides donor insemination to same-sex couples without requiring them to have private treatments first.

Northern Ireland and Wales have similar requirements to England - and access varies by locality.

Surrogacy, which is one of the ways same-sex couples can have children, is not available on the NHS.

No way we could make it work in UK​

Kate Davies gave birth to Luca earlier this year, after she and her wife, Keri, spent more than £17,000 on artificial insemination and IVF.

The couple, both teachers, moved to China and worked there for a couple of years to save more money for their future.

Kate says current policies are pricing lesbians out of having children.

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Kate and Keri Davies moved abroad, where they were able to save for IVF | KERI & KATE DAVIES

"There's no way we would have been able to make it work in the UK," she says. "We've got friends who are having to get loans to try and start a family. And then if that's not successful, you're left with a big loan and no baby. It's a vicious cycle and it's devastating."

They would have expected to pay something towards treatment, they say, but the existing rules are like a "gay tax".

Kerri says: "We've chosen to start a family - but we didn't choose to be gay."

Laura-Rose Thorogood founded LGBT Mummies after she and her wife discovered how complicated it was to find out what fertility support was available and how much it cost.

She says existing policies are leading some LGBT people to put themselves at risk obtaining sperm from a "known donor", someone they are friends with or related to - or have met online.

"Home insemination has really worked for some people - and they have a great relationship with their donor, which is wonderful, but for others it can be dangerous," Laura-Rose says. "Some who don't get access to fertility funding are going down alternative routes where they're having some donors online saying, 'We'll donate to you if you do it in the natural way, if you have intercourse with me.'"

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LGBT Mummies founder Laura-Rose Thorogood warns some people feel forced down dangerous routes to become parents

As well as health risks, if people do not use registered banks or clinics to obtain sperm, there is also the possibility a donor could later try to claim parental rights over a child.

Laura-Rose says she receives hundreds of enquiries from people who are "despairing" and do not have 10 years to wait for the rules to change.
"Having a family and a child, we feel, is a human right," she says. "And that human right has been taken away from people in our community,"
The Department of Health says it expects the variations in NHS-funded fertility services to start improving this year.

"Our Women's Health Strategy for England sets out our 10-year ambitions for boosting health and wellbeing and improving how the health and care system listens to women and girls," it said.

An NHS official said: "While these decisions are legally for local health commissioners, it is absolutely right that they provide equal access to services according to the needs of people within their areas - and the NHS nationally is supporting them to do this."

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In England, the NHS will fund in-vitro fertilisation (IVF) for heterosexual couples who have been trying for a baby unsuccessfully for at least two years and meet certain other criteria such as age and weight.

But same-sex couples are often expected to demonstrate their infertility before the NHS will fund IVF - and to do so must pay privately for between three and 12 rounds of artificial insemination.
The NHS will fund in-vitro fertilization for gay or straight couples that can demonstrate infertility. Any woman, gay or straight, if she's been getting creampied for two years unsuccessfully, then she qualifies for IVF. Simple as.
 
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I literally have to fight the NHS tooth and nail to get treatment for my IBS. My mother is dead because the NHS fucked up and didn't test whether she has heart problems (also having the vaxx pushed on her). These are real problems. Not you retards not understanding what a turkey baster is.
 
In England, the NHS will fund in-vitro fertilisation (IVF) for heterosexual couples who have been trying for a baby unsuccessfully for at least two years and meet certain other criteria such as age and weight.

But same-sex couples are often expected to demonstrate their infertility before the NHS will fund IVF - and to do so must pay privately for between three and 12 rounds of artificial insemination.
So its equal then? The NHS will only step in when there is a clear issue with insemination.
 
Why can't they just adopt? Like 98% of kids up for adoption are less than a year old. You don't have to go through all these science experiments, or a painful pregnancy, pardon the double-negative.
Honestly, it's because people understandably have a greater attachment to a child that is biologically related to them or someone they love.

Now, given that these are lesbians, the love part doesn't enter into it, so I would imagine it's LARPing as a loving couple.
 
Honestly, it's because people understandably have a greater attachment to a child that is biologically related to them or someone they love.

Now, given that these are lesbians, the love part doesn't enter into it, so I would imagine it's LARPing as a loving couple.

It's appropriate this happened in England, where this saying originated: "Blood is thicker than water." But that very old saying is actually a garbled, shortened version of the original saying: "The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb." Which basically means the bonds we forge in life are stronger than the bonds formed before we are born.

I have nothing against fertility, in fact, I am a proponent of it. But an adopted child was chosen. There is literally no shame in being adopted. If anything, it is something to be proud of.
 
Why can't they just adopt?

White lesbians are the most racist people on Earth, they just cloak it with their undeserved protected minority status. For example: white lesbians have drained the sperm banks of Denmark dry. Every so often a nigger journalist tries to point this out, how when given a choice of designer baby attributes literally nobody chooses a niglet, especially fellow travelers in the lesbian "community", but they are instantly put on gardening leave ever after, and their article magically drops out of the archive.

British orphanages are 85% black.

All of it should be illegal, IVF should be universally banned across the planet. It's not medicine, it's narcissism, doubly, triply so with LBQTP+
 
Just imagine what a better place this world would be without these people. The sheer impact to the economy from not having to cover this retarded shit or gender surgeries or affirmative bullshit counseling would be enormous, to say nothing of the impact to other facets of life which have been neutered or worsened for the ego of the rainbow cult.
 
Why can't they just adopt? Like 98% of kids up for adoption are less than a year old. You don't have to go through all these science experiments, or a painful pregnancy, pardon the double-negative.
Adoption is very risky nowadays. And as much as some people pay lip service to "nurture" and "socialization" it's pretty clear by now that humans are not blank slates. Just visit any adoptive parent's forum.
 
NHS is funded by taxes (when the Government actually decides to fund it lmao).

I dunno about you guys, but I want my taxes going towards things that actually benefit me and the public at large, and not dipshits who want "muh biological baby" because they're narcissistic faggots with too much pride to go out and adopt or just not have a fucking kid.
 
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