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Basically. Hence why your average Skeptic doesn't pick on them, but rather, on the self-educated preachers who are usually easy targets. It's the same reason why the same Skeptic crowd later came after the Third-Wave Feminists; most of them know nothing outside of just feminist propaganda in college, and so, they made for juicy targets to demonize since most people would already agree with the Skeptics' objections to modern feminism.

It's basically picking on the class clown for being a class clown; it makes for a good laugh among your peers, but at the end, you've learned nothing and accomplished nothing. Which explains why some of these Skeptics tried to jump to the Breadtube bandwagon to try and profit off of the SJW fad, even though your average SJW probably sees these Skeptics as scum. SJWs are not the forgiving kind. They already don't believe in forgiving members of their own side for making "mistakes". (See: Lindsay Ellis and her comments on films that take inspiration from Asian culture.) They would never forgive former Skeptics who used to take the piss out of their beloved Third-Wave Feminism.
This reminds me of when The Amazing Atheist tried to refute St. Thomas Aquinas' Five Ways and it was so bad that it was kinda funny. For example when he started on the First Way of the Argument of the Unmoved Mover, Kirk literally said "Why couldn't it be a blueberry muffin?" If that doesn't paint a fine picture of the Internet Atheist community of the late 2000s through early 2010s, I have no idea what is.
 
This reminds me of when The Amazing Atheist tried to refute St. Thomas Aquinas' Five Ways and it was so bad that it was kinda funny. For example when he started on the First Way of the Argument of the Unmoved Mover, Kirk literally said "Why couldn't it be a blueberry muffin?" If that doesn't paint a fine picture of the Internet Atheist community of the late 2000s through early 2010s, I have no idea what is.
Basically, their answer to great questions in life is just mockery, combined with a whole ''don't think about it'' attitude, since actual logic and thinking would destroy their arguments. It would force them to admit that there are things their philosophy can't explain, and their reaction to it is to shrug it off and play ignorant.
 
Basically, their answer to great questions in life is just mockery, combined with a whole ''don't think about it'' attitude, since actual logic and thinking would destroy their arguments. It would force them to admit that there are things their philosophy can't explain, and their reaction to it is to shrug it off and play ignorant.

In other words, if you can't answer a question resort to nihilism. Unless it's about LGBTBBQ BIPOC+ Jewlestinian rights, in that case it is a very very big deal and don't you dare say otherwise.
 
In other words, if you can't answer a question resort to nihilism. Unless it's about LGBTBBQ BIPOC+ Jewlestinian rights, in that case it is a very very big deal and don't you dare say otherwise.
Exactly. The only objective morality they believe is that of social justice. That was when the Skeptics met their match, and so they had to adapt. Some joined the SJW collective and became Breadtubers, others broke bread with the religious right and became culture warriors.
 
Exactly. The only objective morality they believe is that of social justice. That was when the Skeptics met their match, and so they had to adapt. Some joined the SJW collective and became Breadtubers, others broke bread with the religious right and became culture warriors.
Progress for the sake of Progress even when Progress doesn't do anything for the common working man and instead think the working class are actually the Failsons of the elite.
 
Progress for the sake of Progress even when Progress doesn't do anything for the common working man and instead think the working class are actually the Failsons of the elite.
Sometimes I feel like Social Democrats lost their way. They exchanged giving the common man rights in exchange for petty social brownie points.
 
Sometimes I feel like Social Democrats lost their way. They exchanged giving the common man rights in exchange for petty social brownie points.
That's because they wanted more votes from communities that felt left out, and it meant cutting ties with the common western working man who is probably CIS, straight, Christian, and doesn't believe in things like LGBTQ or feminism. It's always been a game for votes.

Now that I've beaten the Skeptics to a pulp, time to swing the pendulum back to the Breadtuber/Feminist side of things.

The biggest push feminists had in the 2010s onwards was feminism in video games, something spearheaded by Anita Sarkeesian but supported by many folks among the journalistic left like Steven Colbert, and what we would later see as Breadtube, like Lindsay Ellis. Essentially, Sarkeesian was whining about sexism in gaming and how it appeals to a male fantasy while ignoring female demographics. Which is kind of strange, given that many straight women like strong men, as was evidenced by the Twilight and 50 Shades franchises being powered by female fanbases, and there's no shortage of strapping young lads who displayed strength in video games. In the same vein, all the sexy chicks in video games not only attract straight males, but also lesbians and women who are into other women, so you'd think gaming would get a break for appealing to many different tastes. But not to Sarkeesian and her peers.

The thing is, they want to complain that video game sexuality was aimed primarily at young boys, which had an inkling of truth in the earlier years; in the late 90s and early 2000s, there was no shortage of games with hot chicks trying to appeal to men. Some games like Elder Scrolls Battlespire would try to get away with putting in naked chicks, even, while other games like Dead or Alive pushed their resources into realistic breast jiggle physics. It was a young man's paradise back in the early 2000s, where they really didn't hold back in trying to attract men with pretty girls. But by the time Sarkeesian showed her face in the 2010s, things have calmed down. What was once seen as hip and cool during the beginning of the decade was becoming a thing of the past. If Sarkeesian and her feminist friends made their crusade 10 years earlier than they did, they might've had a leg to stand on. Instead, they came off as loonies complaining about a problem that the games industry had solved by moving on.

Think of the female characters of the late 2000s and early 2010s, more and more of them were veering away from pure sex appeal and more towards character depth. Female Shepard from Mass Effect, Miranda Keyes from Halo 3, Lightning from FF13, Kat from Halo Reach, their threads were more along the lines of functional over being pretty. Lightning's uniform was more of a functional dress rather than a pin-up, and Miranda Keyes wore a typical dress uniform. Outside of the short sex scenes with crew members, female Shepard refused to show skin and was more modest when not wearing combat armor, wearing a selection of comfortable civilian outfits or uniforms. Kat was wearing full-body armor the whole time. Even a game like Soulcalibur IV which had women as attractive as they were in DOA had Hilde, a woman who wore full-body knight armor the entire time. Hell, even female characters from the early 2000s like Bastila Shan and Juhani of the KOTOR games were rather deep and complex in terms of characterization.

Games and gamers have grown up by that time, and things like adding hot sexy chicks to your game was beginning to be seen more as a blatant way to pander to short-sighted fans rather than something that was seen as innovative. I'm getting the feeling that if Sarkeesian didn't make such an aggressive push to demonize games for being sexist, she'd have gotten her ideal woman in video games where they're treated more like characters and less like fashion models. The problem is, the aggressive push for puritanism when it came to depicting women in video games had the opposite effect; suddenly, gamers suddenly began to treasure older games like Soulcalibur IV and DOA Xtreme Beach Volleyball where the girls had melons the size of their heads and costumes so skintight, they might as well be wearing nothing. The fact that the feminists tried to pressure game studios to make less sexy characters meant that sexy female game characters became a valuable commodity. Suddenly, it became hip to rebel against the feminist overlords overtaking the media by buying games with sexy characters, and the hentai game makers who would've been laughed at back in the late 2000s and early 2010s became heroes in the eyes of a public wary of feminist influence.

In short, the feminists were their own worst enemies. Like with the SJWs who unwittingly become the advertisements for why people voted for Trump, the feminists who focused on video games became an advertisement for Japanese games and western games that didn't hold back on the sleaze. Think about Street Fighter 6 or Witcher 3; those games got a lot of men buying them because the women looked and acted like women and were attractive. And given that manga/anime culture is making an advance over the western capeshit culture that the feminists have dominion over, it won't be that surprising if future feminists or leftists discard the likes of Anita Sarkeesian and the Third-Wave Feminists as if they were used tampons, and went with a more loose definition of feminism that wasn't so afraid of pixelated boobs. They might even find such sexual displays empowering, like the Second-Wave Feminists did. Or maybe they'd focus on real-world issues that don't involve fictional women from pixelated worlds. Just as I said before, the Left always eats its own. And with the Left seeking to break bread with communities far more traditional than the West, they might make that shift again.

Modern Breadtubers love to look back at the Gamergate years and dismiss it all as just regressives and sexists trying to screw with women, but in reality, it was an era that was entirely the fault of Third-Wave Feminism and its disciples. If they had only reigned themselves in and waited for a few years, they'd have gotten what they wanted without doing anything; the push towards making female characters into deep, engaging actors in a story instead of just something to pander to men who play with one hand on the controller was already present even during the 90s and the early 2000s, and it was pushing further on in the late 2000s and early 2010s as people got tired of the usual sleaze.

Instead, these feminists created this entire shitstorm on their own, just as the SJWs would later unwittingly create their own monster in Trump. All because these feminists wanted to act as the white saviors against a gaming culture that was no longer treating women like cheap sleaze. The feminists wanted a fight, but when they got it, they complained that it was hard and that the gamers were sexist and mean. This wasn't the first time they shat the bed just trying to get dopamine points, and it certainly won't be the last.
 
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This reminds me of when The Amazing Atheist tried to refute St. Thomas Aquinas' Five Ways and it was so bad that it was kinda funny. For example when he started on the First Way of the Argument of the Unmoved Mover, Kirk literally said "Why couldn't it be a blueberry muffin?" If that doesn't paint a fine picture of the Internet Atheist community of the late 2000s through early 2010s, I have no idea what is.
There has to be a video on this there has to be some proof of this because I want to see it.
The literal insanity.
 
Modern Breadtubers love to look back at the Gamergate years and dismiss it all as just regressives and sexists trying to screw with women, but in reality, it was an era that was entirely the fault of Third-Wave Feminism and its disciples. If they had only reigned themselves in and waited for a few years, they'd have gotten what they wanted without doing anything; the push towards making female characters into deep, engaging actors in a story instead of just something to pander to men who play with one hand on the controller was already present even during the 90s and the early 2000s, and it was pushing further on in the late 2000s and early 2010s as people got tired of the usual sleaze.
Something that didn't help was the fact that the media they were creating was... well, crap. Very rarely do they truly make anything of their own. Instead they took over properties made by the "male, pale, and stale" creators who they despise - Star Wars, Ghostbusters, Indiana Jones, etc., and then promptly piloted them into the ground. There's something incredibly corporate and soulless about all these offerings that already makes them unendearing, with or without any added ideological messaging.

I haven't paid much attention to the "AAA" gaming industry in years, but I can imagine a similar process happened there too (I mean, the last really big games everyone was talking about, Skyrim and GTA V, both came out over a fucking decade ago now so I can't imagine I'm missing much).
 
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There has to be a video on this there has to be some proof of this because I want to see it.
Ask nicely and ye shall receive:

I haven't paid much attention to the "AAA" gaming industry in years, but I can imagine a similar process happened there too (I mean, the last really big games everyone was talking about, Skyrim and GTA V, both came out over a fucking decade ago now so I can't imagine I'm missing much).
You aren't, most good games that are AAA now are mostly remakes.
 
Something that didn't help was the fact that the media they were creating was... well, crap. Very rarely do they truly make anything of their own. Instead they took over properties made by the "male, pale, and stale" creators who they despise - Star Wars, Ghostbusters, Indiana Jones, etc., and then promptly piloted them into the ground. There's something incredibly corporate and soulless about all these offerings that already makes them unendearing, with or without any added ideological messaging.
Which again, is very funny, considering that many Breadtubers are socialist-lite, and yet the way they take over other people's work and turn them into slop is very capitalist of them........buying them out and turning them into something they're not. That, and doing such things to beloved franchises just turns the fans of those franchises against them, which just ensures that more people know about feminist SJWs and hate them too. This is another case of Breadtubers calling fans sexist, racist, homophobic, when really, the nerds were fine on their own not picking a side in the culture war until Left-leaning companies bought their franchises and started whoring them out to kids and SJWs.

I got a nephew who had no knowledge of Gamergate or SJWs, and even he was making fun of the SW Sequels and calling Kylo Ren a pussy for losing to a noob.

I haven't paid much attention to the "AAA" gaming industry in years, but I can imagine a similar process happened there too (I mean, the last really big games everyone was talking about, Skyrim and GTA V, both came out over a fucking decade ago now so I can't imagine I'm missing much).
No, you have not missed much. The last new game I bought was from 2013, Metal Gear Rising Revengeance. Every other game I've bought since then came from 2012 or even before that. Even titles that they tout as groundbreaking like Jedi Fallen Order and Jedi Survivor are just a mish-mash of other people's homework, from Metroidvania to Sekiro.

 
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Ask nicely and ye shall receive:
Watching evangelical atheists trip over themselves trying to tackle the cosmological argument is especially eyeroll-worthy, because you can just sidestep the issue entirely by pointing out that it can't be used to prove the existence of the Christian God but (at most) a Deist "divine watchmaker" entity and so its use by Christian apologists can be largely dismissed.
 

So this guy is disgusted by all the weird fetishes that white men get up to (fair enough), but then makes a point of calling himself a "cis" man and deferring to the troon talking heads he brings on. He's this close to getting it, holy shit.

He's bringing these troons on so they can harp on about how "white cis men fetishize powerlessness because they are powerful" but then we're not expected to draw a connection between these white cis men who fetishize femininity and trans women and ask exactly where the line is drawn. He never uses the word "autogynephile" but that's essentially what he's talking about, and the fact that he doesn't use that word (when he almost certainly came across it when researching this video) has me questioning his actual motives. Is he trying to make a real point about how fetishism and Internet porn has an unacknowledged effect on how lonely men are expressing themselves or does he just want to shit on wypipo?

The whole video is so weird. He can clearly identify an observable phenomenon, but his ideological conditioning prevents him from recognizing clear exhibits of that phenomenon for what they are staring him right in the face.
 
He's bringing these troons on so they can harp on about how "white cis men fetishize powerlessness because they are powerful" but then we're not expected to draw a connection between these white cis men who fetishize femininity and trans women and ask exactly where the line is drawn.
it's weird how breadtubers can see literal teenagers with depression being groomed into porn addiction and then defer to transwomen with these exact fetishes and go "actually white men do so because privilege" as if this guy like all black guys doesnt have a secret pegging playlist or a raceplay slave owner rape fetish ala Tariq
 
it's weird how breadtubers can see literal teenagers with depression being groomed into porn addiction and then defer to transwomen with these exact fetishes and go "actually white men do so because privilege" as if this guy like all black guys doesnt have a secret pegging playlist or a raceplay slave owner rape fetish ala Tariq
Most black guys I know are at least honest about having the same ''cultured tastes'' as the average CIS male. Breadtubers, as always, boil things down to privilege even though people from other nations have the exact same tastes as white, CIS-hetero males when it comes to women. I mean, religion and culture probably had more to do to inform men's attitude towards women. Latin-leaning cultures like Hispanics and Southern Europeans are gonna have a lot of similarities in their attitudes towards women. Same thing with Christians in Africa and Asia.

Is he trying to make a real point about how fetishism and Internet porn has an unacknowledged effect on how lonely men are expressing themselves or does he just want to shit on wypipo?
A little bit of both. He wants to acknowledge the former, but he makes it about the latter for brownie points.

The whole video is so weird. He can clearly identify an observable phenomenon, but his ideological conditioning prevents him from recognizing clear exhibits of that phenomenon for what they are staring him right in the face.
Because his ideological conditioning is practically a religion to him. This is what has replaced religion in public life. People chased God out of public discourse, and things like this take His place. This idiot sees his ideology as the perfect good, and so, everything has to be defined in terms of whether or not one opposes or goes along with it.

anyone got any opinions on this person?
The thing is, TERFs are at least right about biological sex; it's one of the few things that they talk about that's objectively true. But there is a world of difference between sex and gender. You're born with the former; the latter is defined later on for you.
 
anyone got any opinions on this person?
I'm really not in the mood to subject myself to TRA nonsense right now, but let me guess, the basis of their argument in this video is "but muh Klinefelter syndrome"? The only way they can try and disprove the idea that human biological sex is a binary is by pointing to genetic disorders - i.e, abberations from the norm. It's like trying to claim that puberty isn't a natural part of human development because of the existence of Kallmann Syndrome.
As for the person, I've seen them pop up before.


This video is amazing. It's like a black hole of irony. "What killed feminism?", he asks. You did. You killed it when you decided that playing dress up made you a woman and therefore turned womanhood into a meaningless label.
 
This video is amazing. It's like a black hole of irony. "What killed feminism?", he asks. You did. You killed it when you decided that playing dress up made you a woman and therefore turned womanhood into a meaningless label.

Well, there was also the Jack Thompson levels of moralfaggotry concerning video games and other media from feminists and other such SJWs, but also yes. Troons ruin everything, it's amusing when enablers get screwed over by the people they enabled.
 
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