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[Basic Blond Boy]

Sometimes I wonder, how did all this morality bullshit start?

The Comics Code, though it is moreso the aftermath. The Comics Code itself made works so docile that the morality sperging was justified. Batman cracking the Joker’s neck over a few pranks would have been immoral. Nowadays the Joker is a serial killer and will nuke a city, yet Batman still retains the policy from that era. The works never seemed to evolve properly to match the updates outside of mostly children’s series that heavily toned down the comics.

Past that, it is just a plot device to derive drama. Aang cannot kill the Fire Lord, so we need to spend time looking for alternatives as his friends/Avatars push him to kill and end the war. Luke cannot kill Vader, now drama can surround whether he will convert him or even join the Dark side.

It also keeps villains around for expansion and possible redemption, which is why capeshit in particular goes so hard on the morality. We want to see the ideological battle between Magneto and Xavier and if one might get through to another, even if the X-Men killing Magneto would probably solve a good chunk of the discrimination problems.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

What’s the Hays Code?

It's a censorship framework from 1932 to the early 50s preventing certain subjects from being portrayed on screen, sex, gratuitous violence, anti christian themes, references to drugs shit like that. Idk what it was initiated by probably the great depression or the roaring 20s.

Possibly with the comics code. That forbid all but the most unchallenging stories and was basically just a move by DC and Archie to try and monopolize the market.

The comics code is even more specific than the Hays code funnily enough. It was pioneered by one guy, a Jewish German American psychologist called Fredrick wertham who published a book called seduction of the innocent. In that book he described how comics were corrupting the youth and included all sorts of specific examples, most notably how it was promoting homosexuality cause Batman and Robin were in close proximity therefore gay therefore Batman groomed Robin. The book was a massive success among the public and every publisher immediately neutered everything to prevent a drop in sales and interest. The first comic which rejected the comics code I think was Alan Moore's run on swamp thing with explicit depictions of necrophilia, incest, plant sex and all sorts of stuff thereby not being certified by the comics code but the series was immensely popular and single handedly revived the character while being dcs highest seller towards the end of the silver age. So that ushered in the dark age as everything became dark and edgy at which point people abandoned the comics code on mass.

Sometimes I wonder, how did all this morality bullshit start?

I think it was a bit in the late 1910s during the pulps era where pornographic material and any spicy stories which included the likes of lust/adultery, descriptive depictions of lewd material, taboo crimes and the like were banned completely. Part of the roaring 20s included the organized crime syndicates partaking in the production and importation of said spicy pulps and pornographic material to sell them on the black market. That's where you get Tijuana Bibles which were matchbook porn comics of popular characters which were produced and smuggled by the mob from Tijuana Mexico. In fact the guy who created DC had friends in the mob and was arrested for possession of spicy pulps, bailed out by the mob and partially used them to launch DC or action comics at the time later becoming detective comics. I think it goes a bit before that even cause I remember hearing about renaissance artists being accused by the church of blaspheming for nude sculptures which is why they put leaves everywhere or covered shit up so I don't know exactly.

 

[anustart76]

The first comic which rejected the comics code I think was Alan Moore's run on swamp thing with explicit depictions of necrophilia, incest, plant sex and all sorts of stuff thereby not being certified by the comics code but the series was immensely popular and single handedly revived the character while being dcs highest seller towards the end of the silver age. So that ushered in the dark age as everything became dark and edgy at which point people abandoned the comics code on mass.

It was technically earlier. A somewhat well-known story where the government, of all groups, approached Stan Lee to do an anti-drug story, and after he wrote it in Amazing Spider-Man issues 96-98 in 1971, the CCA refused to approve it because it had drugs in it (even though it was an anti-drug story). Stan basically said "screw it" and published the story anyway. They did go back to the CCA starting with the following issue though.

You're mostly right though, in that The Saga of the Swamp Thing was the first series to abandon the CCA totally: when the CCA wouldn't approve issue 29 during Alan Moore's run in 1984, DC just said "fuck off" and published anyway, never going back to the CCA on that title. These two incidents were pretty much the key events that led to the CCA's decline.

Marvel was the first major publisher to dump the CCA much later in 2001 after it refused to approve an issue of X-Force. Instead of complying and resubmitting or just publishing that particular issue, Marvel as a whole abandoned the CCA entirely. DC didn't until 2011. Archie did right after DC, which was the death blow to the CCA.

 

[TVB]

It's a censorship framework from 1932 to the early 50s preventing certain subjects from being portrayed on screen, sex, gratuitous violence, anti christian themes, references to drugs shit like that. Idk what it was initiated by probably the great depression or the roaring 20s.

That was until swearing, sex, nudity, etc. became more apparent that on November 1, 1968, the Hayes Code was replaced as the MPAA (Motion Pictures Association of America), which was renamed to MPA (Motion Pictures Association) in late-2018 just 50 years later.

The comics code is even more specific than the Hays code funnily enough. It was pioneered by one guy, a Jewish German American psychologist called Fredrick wertham who published a book called seduction of the innocent. In that book he described how comics were corrupting the youth and included all sorts of specific examples, most notably how it was promoting homosexuality cause Batman and Robin were in close proximity therefore gay therefore Batman groomed Robin. The book was a massive success among the public and every publisher immediately neutered everything to prevent a drop in sales and interest. The first comic which rejected the comics code I think was Alan Moore's run on swamp thing with explicit depictions of necrophilia, incest, plant sex and all sorts of stuff thereby not being certified by the comics code but the series was immensely popular and single handedly revived the character while being dcs highest seller towards the end of the silver age. So that ushered in the dark age as everything became dark and edgy at which point people abandoned the comics code on mass.

Meanwhile, Archie Comics (given that the creators and owners around the time were more conservative and/or evangelical) had to keep their image peachy clean and not have anyone parody their body of work.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

Meanwhile, Archie Comics (given that the creators and owners around the time were more conservative and/or evangelical) hadto keep their image clean.

I think it was also partially cause Archie comics were meant for women, it was a weird combination of newspaper comic combined with the anime love triangle tsundere story which was something really new for the west at the time. As much as women say they were always part of comicdom, they only almost always read Archie and nothing else. Im sure most of them wanted to fuck him as well or found themselves on either girls side. Archie did have a lot of porn though @TVB now that I remember, I even think Cherry Darling was an attempt by Robert Crumb to make a version of Archie for more counter culture audiences.

 

[TVB]

I think it was also partially cause Archie comics were meant for women, it was a weird combination of newspaper comic combined with the anime love triangle tsundere story which was something really new for the west at the time. As much as women say they were always part of comicdom, they only almost always read Archie and nothing else. Im sure most of them wanted to fuck him as well or found themselves on either girls side.

Sure, things may have changed by 2010 when Archie were welcoming parodies of their characters with open arms with the likes of The CW's Riverdale (yes, that show is terrible slopshit, but I'm using that as one of the many examples, so shaddup), but beforehand they needed to stay within their core audience. Archie Comics had made various cease and desist takedowns of Archie fanfiction on fanfiction.net and fanart on deviantART.

In 2006, the one season 2 episode of Robot Chicken had its final segment was a parody of the Final Destination movies but with Archie characters, however that episode was later pulled by Adult Swim from regular rotation due to, once again, a cease and desist from Archie Comics, and when that season was released on DVD, that skit was omitted. That same episode would rebroadcast but with a different segment recycled from a deleted segment from the previous season. However, that Archie/Final Destination segment would find its way in the Season 5 DVD under its bonus features, which was deleted segments. Even Archie was okay with Robot Chicken making fun of their properties having a full-blown special that aired later on, and that same episode uncut with the Archie segment has been reairing in general rotations and digital streaming since then.

 

[Castoreum]

I just watched the Amazing Digital Circus. It was okay. Kind of annoying but not so annoying that I had to skip through it like other indie pilots. It also appeals to my autistic enjoyment of bright colors and low-poly 3D assets.

On a more general note, I really wish this trend of having characters talk way too much would die off. It happens in all media, though. I don't know who is to blame for it, but I find myself getting irritated when a character says much, much, MUCH more than is needed because diarrhea-of-the-mouth = funny.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

On a more general note, I really wish this trend of having characters talk way too much would die off. It happens in all media, though. I don't know who is to blame for it, but I find myself getting irritated when a character says much, much, MUCH more than is needed because diarrhea-of-the-mouth = funny.

Something about silence being "bad" for kids' attention spans or whatever, but also no one knows anything about brevity.

 

[Golly Bo-Bolly]

Thanks to my under-a-rock-n-roll lifestyle, I can say that The Amazing Digital Circus is a rip-off of "The Wild Wild Circus Company" made in 2005, low 3d renders and all, and there's no motion blur that Glitch Producctions still stuggles with.

The series is part of the "Funpak" series that was on Teletoon. It's the same vain as "What a cartoon" and "Oh yeah! Cartoons". The whole series is for free on tubi.

 

[A Grey Cat]

happy 35th anniversary to scooby doo and the ghoul school aired this exact day October 16, 1988. original commercial breaks from the night it aired:

and how i first saw it almost a decade later on cartoon network:

One line that always stood out to me was this one from the villian revolta. "they were the mightest once but they've grown soft!" I cant help but wonder if that line was meant to be directed at the universal monsters personally. Who by then had been reduced to jokes and cartoon characters...in a special about their daughters and scooby doo. cause think back to that time, monster mash still playing on every radio every halloween, monster cereals on shelves (and not just on halloween either) and there were dolls and figures of these guys in every toys r us. Sure freddy and Jason were becoming popular with kids at the time but to their credit they didnt become toys till decades later (im aware there were some kid freindly merch for them including two NES games)

Anyways my horror spergatry aside, Ghoul School may be a dated product of its time and it wears its 80s cheese on its sleeve, but really that's the charm of these older scooby products, and i know its a cliche to say at this point but say it with me kiwis...


At least it's still better than Velma am I right?

 

[TVB]

Thanks to my under-a-rock-n-roll lifestyle, I can say that The Amazing Digital Circus is a rip-off of "The Wild Wild Circus Company" made in 2005, low 3d renders and all, and there's no motion blur that Glitch Producctions still stuggles with.

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The series is part of the "Funpak" series that was on Teletoon. It's the same vain as "What a cartoon" and "Oh yeah! Cartoons". The whole series is for free on tubi.

Funny thing is, I actually remembered watching that one short when it aired in the states on Nicktoons Film Festival, and I honestly didn't care that much. By the time I got older, I tried to search for some shorts on that said show, and it kinda grew on me.

 

[Niggerphobe]

I just watched the Amazing Digital Circus. It was okay. Kind of annoying but not so annoying that I had to skip through it like other indie pilots. It also appeals to my autistic enjoyment of bright colors and low-poly 3D assets.

On a more general note, I really wish this trend of having characters talk way too much would die off. It happens in all media, though. I don't know who is to blame for it, but I find myself getting irritated when a character says much, much, MUCH more than is needed because diarrhea-of-the-mouth = funny.

And if you mix in that one anime where they can’t get out you get the same thing
Edit:: it’s sword art online

 

[TVB]

And if you mix in that one anime where they can’t get out you get the same thing

Which was it?

 

[Inside your walls]

Anyone watched the video and know what it's about? I remember watching the youtuber but his opinions turned to even more shit and his voice turned exponentially more faggy

Bit late but relevant

 

[Castoreum]

Which was it?

There are a lot of those. That guy is being too vague since plenty (most?) of isekais deal with that as a core concept.

The only one that really comes to my mind with similar themes to Digital Circus is Sonny Boy.

 

[TVB]

There are a lot of those. That guy is being too vague since plenty (most?) of isekais deal with that as a core concept.

The only one that really comes to my mind with similar themes to Digital Circus is Sonny Boy.

Which was why I was asking really.

Bit late but relevant
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This is pretty much every SuperEyePatchWolf video. He has a very condescending voice, he uses shitty sombertone music and that cliche VHS effect, he... pauses in... every... sentence... just to act... very... dramatic, he breaks down in tears as if some piece of media he likes is the equivalent to that of a puppy (you know, like Chris Chan and his dog Patti), and he does this in every fucking video just to attract to normies, manchildren and autists.

 

[Niggerphobe]

Which was it?

It’s the one where they can’t exit a video game I think it’s sword art online

 

[Castoreum]

It’s the one where they can’t exit a video game I think it’s sword art online

My dude, that's like 99% of isekais.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

This is pretty much every SuperEyePatchWolf video. He has a very condescending voice, he uses shitty sombertone music and that cliche VHS effect, he... pauses in... every... sentence... just to act... very... dramatic, he breaks down in tears as if some piece of media he likes is the equivalent to that of a puppy (you know, like Chris Chan and his dog Patti), and he does this in every fucking video just to attract to normies, manchildren and autists.

Which is why I stopped watching his videos, that and shit opinions. Was funny when he got in hot waters for arguing that cave dwelling troglodytes were a dog whistle for Niggers.

 

[Lone Star]

Was funny when he got in hot waters for arguing that cave dwelling troglodytes were a dog whistle for Niggers.

I missed out on that, what video was it?

Which was why I was asking really.

This is pretty much every SuperEyePatchWolf video. He has a very condescending voice, he uses shitty sombertone music and that cliche VHS effect, he... pauses in... every... sentence... just to act... very... dramatic, he breaks down in tears as if some piece of media he likes is the equivalent to that of a puppy (you know, like Chris Chan and his dog Patti), and he does this in every fucking video just to attract to normies, manchildren and autists.

Something tells me he really is that much of a bitch that he nearly sobs talking about anime and The Simpsons. I don't know how anyone can take him seriously.