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Prison and the sex offender registry are systemic uglyphobia

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every time I try to point out to these moids that they ought to *vote* before burning down the Republic I get a half-assed paraphrase of that South Park episode about voting: "what's it matter if I'm just choosing between a turd and a douchebag?"

I will bet my coat that these are the same asshole scrotes who will use the "they voted for this" mantra.
To be fair, it's not just moids who feel that way but women, too, especially those that have Attained Enlightenment. "Apolitical" men don't vote because, usually, no particular political platform especially benefits them (in the case of middle class and below) nor especially fucks then over. Men's rights (whatever those would even be lmao) just aren't a political issue the way women's are.

Women that are hesitant about voting generally feel like they'll get screwed over either way, because what politician becomes popular by advertising themselves as a champion of women's rights?

I've heard of this issue cropping up in England, but it seems especially prevalent in America, where the two-party system means that neither party needs to actually be good or helpful as long as it looks better than the other one.

And although female politicians are rarely as scummy--on a personal or political level--as male ones, that doesn't mean they're automatically better or even guaranteed to support the female interest simply on account of being women. For every half-decent female politician out there I hear about a Liz Truss or Alessandra Mussolini. (And of course, since you're in America, you also have the Supreme Court which doesn't care one bit about your vote.)
 
Me too.
I was really rooting for Hillary, even though she was kinda scandal-ridden and tabloid fodder after the whole BJ with Monica Lewinski scandal.
I think people have been really horrid to Hillary in terms of her physical appearance. She has clearly tried very hard to take care of herself, and I would say looks very well put together. I remember my father (lifelong republican) being disgusted at how some outlets were making fun of her in a swimsuit. The worst thing that happened to her was being attached to that flimflam man Bill, and I think she is clearly the better of the two.
That a woman was tarnished by her husband’s “peccadilloes” is gross, but par for the course.

To some extent I thought it made her a stronger woman: yes, I'm in a power marriage with Bill. Now make me the junior Senator for New York or the Secretary of State.
This arrogance and entitlement is the only valid critique of her.

Hillary was smart. Resourceful. Tough. Cute? (I think so.) Gimme hats and cans but I jhoped she was going to restore some of the peace and prosperity Americans enjoyed in the 90's, which happened mostly during the two Clinton administrations. However no man I knew voted for her, and they liked Trump's rank sexism and chants to "lock her up." It was sickening and disappointing, but the men really do screw you over politically.
You know why HRC pissed people off so much? Because she knew as much as any man, made as many dubious or untransparent decisions as a man, spoke about it like a man, and was as unbothered as a man. People can’t handle a woman being like that…or at least prefer that she ditzy-fy it like Palin did.

Now, personality-wise, she didn’t have the crowd-grabbing* charm that her husband did…but there is NO woman who is ever perceived as as likeable as the most likeable men. Why? Because dudes can’t say or believe, “I’d have a beer with her.” And tbh, some women view women they don’t agree with with a level of vehemence matched only by that of certain men for women they are afraid to fuck. Everything a woman does is steeped in common perception by the mere fact of her being a woman.

*my entendres, they double!

Strong women who don’t mince around are, by and large, fighting an uphill battle: other women are intimidated or take her views as personal criticisms, and men either a) dismiss her out of hand as a dingbat, b) chalk up every word to being a raging feminist, c) assess her sex appeal and either consider her a battle-ax or a lesbian*, d) grade her based on her husband*, and/or e) “merely” denigrate her qualifications, experience, perspective, or life choices. There’s nothing but suspicion.

*it’s going back aways, but anyone know of Geraldine Ferraro? She was the first female VP candidate (running mate to Walter Mondale).

Here she is in 1984, with Mondale, when she was 49.
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Undated photo:
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And later (also undated):
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She was called and dismissed as old, ugly, fat, mannish, extreme lib, harridan feminist, sexless, harsh, etc. She was derided, abused, smeared - as much on her appearance as on her viewpoints.

(Fwiw, I ran into her window-shopping on Madison Avenue once, a decade-and-a-half or so later, when she was in her late 50s/early 60s. That woman was *stunning*. She was impeccably dressed and coiffed, her skin was radiant, she was in a perfectly tailored Chanel suit and heels to die for, she had a beautiful face, she was elegant and polite, she stood and moved with confidence and elegance, and she was exceptionally gracious and graceful.)

This is what she took on:
During the mid-1980s, conditions for women in politics were bleak. Only 24 of the 535 voting members of U.S. Congress were women, and no governors were women. The idea of electing a female vice president seemed remarkably ambitious to say the least.

Ultimately, Ferraro and Mondale suffered a devastating loss against President Ronald Reagan and Vice President George H. W. Bush. The Democratic ticket secured just one state in the election — Minnesota, Mondale’s home state — and the District of Columbia.

Like many female politicians, Ferraro was unfairly targeted in the media and arguably faced more scrutiny than her running mate. She struggled to convince voters that she could be the first female vice president. And the sexism she faced on the trail was witnessed up close by Mondale.

“We went down to Mississippi, and some old farmer said, ‘Young lady, do you make good blueberry muffins?’ And she said, ‘Yes. Do you?’ That was the kind of thing that she was bumping up against,” Mondale recalled.

“She had to keep her cool. She had to be nice about it. And yet she was undergoing a revolution. It wasn’t just automatic. It was her guts and her vision and the depth of her beliefs that helped her get it done.”

She was slammed for being a “working mother,” but here’s her actual experience:
She taught in New York City public schools [I read elsewhere she was a legal secretary -ed.] while earning her law degree at Fordham by night. Shortly after her graduation, she married real estate broker John Zaccaro, though she kept her last name to honor her mother.

Unfortunately, Ferraro struggled to find work, as many Wall Street law firms were resistant to hiring women (via Time). She worked as a stay-at-home parent to her three children, Donna, John, and Laura, before her cousin offered her a job as assistant district attorney in Queens, New York. Ferraro quickly moved to the Special Victims Bureau, where her political ideals moved from moderate to liberal as she observed her clients' suffering. When she won her seat in the House of Representatives, she had to work to balance her liberal values with the conservative values of her constituents. …
During her campaign as Vice President, Ferraro was criticized for being a working mother. The Cut reported that a Barbara Walters interview involved Walters suggesting that Ferraro's political career got in the way of her spending time with her children. Ferraro's husband assured Walters that she'd only been away from their children for two weekends.

And like Hillary, she paid the price not only for her own views and “scariness,” but for her husband’s dealings:
John Zaccaro had real estate firms that did business mostly in Little Italy, Chinatown and SoHo. In post-Watergate America, political candidates were expected to make public their financial records, and indeed, Ferraro pledged to do that.

Perhaps she had not consulted with Zaccaro on the matter. Two weeks after her nomination, Ferraro announced that her husband would not permit her to release his business records.

Campaigning with a grim smile, Ferraro joked that women married to Italian men “know what it is like.”

This fell quite flat. The public wondered: What exactly was it that Zaccaro didn’t want known?

Because Ferraro had listed herself on her congressional financial-disclosure form as secretary-treasurer of her husband’s firms, the family business was fair game for inquiry whether Zaccaro liked it or not.
Reporters began searching building records for code violations, failed inspections, unusual tenants. They looked into Zaccaro’s business dealings and associates. It happened that they found nothing particularly amiss but Ferraro’s continued refusal to provide information kept raising more and more questions daily, and by early August the din was so great that she found herself unable to campaign effectively. Finally, she was forced to announce that she would indeed make full financial disclosure.

Before she got around to doing that, though, the media discovered that Zaccaro had used money from an elderly widow’s estate he was protecting as a court-ordered conservator for a real estate deal. This was a flat illegality on his part and suddenly it raised new questions about Ferraro’s judicial connections in Queens.

On Aug. 20, she released records going back six years and said she hoped this disclosure would put an end to things. It did not. The documents, in fact, established that Ferraro and Zaccaro had underpaid taxes in 1978, forcing Ferraro to ante up more than $50,000 in arrears and interest to the IRS. Conspicuously absent from the pile, meanwhile, were the tax returns of her husband’s real estate companies.

The next day, she made history again, becoming the first candidate for national office to submit to two hours of televised questioning by reporters over personal finances.

“The supposition was that we had something to hide, and obviously we don’t,” she said defiantly. “I expect we will answer all of your questions today and get this out of the way today.”

That was not the case either. For one thing, Ferraro’s carefully constructed persona as the hardworking neighborhood housewife who happened to be a congresswoman dissolved with the revelation that she and her husband shared a net worth of $3.8 million.

Things got only worse after that. One of Zaccaro’s long-time tenants was a pornographer, the papers said; one of Ferraro’s fund-raisers and contributors was a union racketeer. The New York Post earned Ferraro’s particular wrath when it reported that her parents long ago had been indicted for numbers running upstate; a child at the time, Ferraro had never known about that.

Not unpredictably, she played the obvious cards: “Would they have done it if I were male?” she demanded. “Would they have done it if I were not Italian-American?” Asked by TV host Phil Donahue if she had wept over that story, she replied piously: “There are certain things, Phil, that are personal.”

Personal or not, the damage was devastating. In New York State alone, a Daily News poll found that 17% of voters were more likely to vote for the Mondale-Ferraro ticket because of Ferraro, but 15% were less likely to.

She went down fighting. In the final whirlwind of the campaign, she made lofty attempts to link her vice presidential run to the destinies of women everywhere, moving audiences to tears with invocations of Susan B. Anthony: “Because our cause is just, we cannot fail.” On Election Day, Tuesday the 6th of November, the Mondale-Ferraro ticket lost to Ronald Reagan and George Bush by the second-largest margin in presidential election history. In Ferraro’s 9th Congressional District, the Democrat candidates won 40% of the vote.

“You did so much for women,” comedian Rita Rudner told Ferraro. “You didn’t do so much for the Democrats.”

John Zaccaro pleaded guilty in 1985 to a misdemeanor count of falsifying business documents.

Another article on her, copied bc it’s a NYT article and may be paywalled/limited:
Why Gerry Ferraro Mattered
By Joyce Purnick
April 1, 2011
“OH, they’ve come to talk to me about my life,” she said, laughing. “They think I’m going to die soon. I’m not, you know. Not for a very long time.”
It was 2007, nine years after Geraldine A. Ferraro had received a diagnosis of incurable cancer. I had come to interview her for “The Last Word,” a New York Times video series featuring prominent people whose recorded words are not made public until after their deaths.
That is a sensitive endeavor by definition, and was especially so in Ms. Ferraro’s case because of her prognosis. My technical crew and I drew a few curious stares as we walked into her law offices, eliciting Ms. Ferraro’s bravado. And for the first time I got it. I got why Gerry Ferraro — whose career, despite her big national moment, was only modestly successful — was such a rock star to so many women.

She’d served only six years in Congress, she didn’t win the vice presidency, she could never engineer a political comeback. Why the enduring acclaim? Because she was a pip, I realized, a strong, stubborn, sometimes prickly woman who would have it her way as much and as long as she could.

That prediction about her own longevity was part chutzpah, part denial, part cool, practical analysis of her medical options. She could afford the best medication, research was coming up with new treatments all the time, so forget dying. She would do whatever it took, and lobby for more research and financial help for less fortunate cancer patients.
She was the same way in politics, even when she failed. Maybe that’s what so many fans saw, a willfulness that emanated from such a strong sense of self-confidence that, even when wrongheaded, was impressive.
Over the years I’d been a bit puzzled about Ms. Ferraro, who was 75 when she died on March 26 of complications of the cancer that invaded her, multiple myeloma. What was all the shouting about? Yes, she was a first, the first woman named to a national ticket by a major party when, in 1984, former Vice President Walter F. Mondale selected her as his running mate. She broke ground, she gave women hope, even if she had been asked to the dance by a man for politically pragmatic reasons: Democrats wanted as many votes from women as they could get in their uphill fight to unseat Ronald Reagan.
Instead, they went down in flames after they ran a shaky campaign marked by missteps, bad judgment and gaffes, especially some infamous whoppers by Ms. Ferraro. She had had her 15 minutes; she’d failed. By all rights she should have receded from the public consciousness.

Yet she remained a durable American heroine, a strong, respected role model for millions of women (and some men). Why, I always wondered, why does a woman who ran for national office just once, and unsuccessfully, stir such deep emotions?

Seeing her occasionally on Fire Island, the beach community where my husband and I were neighbors of Ms. Ferraro and her husband, John Zaccaro, never helped me resolve the Gerry enigma, either. The one time we had dinner in their home, Ms. Ferraro was either busy cooking and serving an Italian feast, or talking with the rest of us about such crucial local matters as bicycle safety (teenagers liked to race through our sleepy wooden walks), or whether the village’s volunteer fire department would ever relent and permit barbecuing. Not the stuff of gripping political debate.
After interviewing her that day in 2007, and listening to her candid reflections on her life, I think I figured it out. Her long-running celebrity was not merely a byproduct of being the first woman on a major party ticket. That was certainly at the heart of it. She lived a moment that changed the country’s image of itself, and that moment turned her into a strong, if complicated, symbol of change in American politics.

The nomination of Ms. Ferraro was proof that as hidebound, stubborn and rigid as our country can be, it also has the capacity periodically to remake itself. For millions of women, the Ferraro nomination was validation, as meaningful to them as President Obama’s election was to African-Americans and John F. Kennedy’s election was to Roman Catholics. Because of her nomination, Geraldine Ferraro became a transforming figure in the country’s history.
But improbably, as the years went on, Ms. Ferraro continued to be a political force, even though she never again won higher office. She became a host of CNN’s “Crossfire,” and President Bill Clinton’s ambassador to the United Nations Human Rights Commission. Her name meant something; she was sought after to support candidates and causes, to provide TV and newspaper commentary.

Why did she endure as a public figure? Maybe because she threw herself into things she wanted, would not give up or give in. That thread of determination ran through her public life and her private one, from childhood until the day she died.

Her willfulness could be impressive. And it could be a real pain in the neck, especially when accompanied by a sense of entitlement as, in her later electoral forays, it seemed to be. Ms. Ferraro tried to become a United States senator in 1992 and 1998, both times proving curiously unequal to and resentful of the always ugly politics of New York. She was a native; the tactics used against her, truly nasty as they were, could not have been a surprise. Years later she was still furious, arguing that victory in the 1992 race had been “stolen” from her, which could only have been true if it had been hers to begin with.
Another time, Ms. Ferraro complained angrily during the 2008 presidential campaign that Barack Obama’s color had propelled him ahead of her candidate, Hillary Rodham Clinton. “If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position,” Ms. Ferraro said. “And if he was a woman of any color he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is.”
This from a woman who rocketed to stardom because her party tapped her in 1984 in its pursuit of female voters? Mr. Obama called the remarks “absurd”; Ms. Ferraro said they’d been distorted. “If you point to something that deals with race, you are immediately a racist?” she said to me at the time. “Give me a break.” That was quintessential Ferraro. She said what she believed and that was that.
The same for her stand on issue after issue, notably abortion rights. Ms. Ferraro, a Roman Catholic, personally opposed abortion but thought women should have the right to choose to have an abortion — a position that earned her a public rebuke during the 1984 presidential campaign from the archbishop of New York, John J. O’Connor. Did she ever make peace with her church? “No,” she said evenly in that 2007 interview. “I don’t think there is a way to make peace.”

She made no apology, gave no quarter. That brand of intransigence had to impress even those who disagreed with her. Her stubbornness must have resonated in particular with women, many of whom, to this day, know how it feels to hide their intelligence or mute their opinions or avoid confrontation rather than appear challenging to male power. Ms. Ferraro could effectively charm powerful men, but she did not back down on substance.
Gerry Ferraro often said that any woman could have done what she did, given the opportunity. She was probably right that any woman given the chance to break into the all-boys club of presidential politics would have been a game-changer. But maybe it took Geraldine A. Ferraro, the accidental icon, to turn that brief role of a lifetime into a marathon run of show.
 
Hillary derangement syndrome was real
LMAO yes it was, it cost her the Presidency.
men either a) dismiss her out of hand as a dingbat, b) chalk up every word to being a raging feminist, c) assess her sex appeal and either consider her a battle-ax or a lesbian*, d) grade her based on her husband*, and/or e) “merely” denigrate her qualifications, experience, perspective, or life choices. There’s nothing but suspicion.
Moids in the midst of a total chimpout tries options a-e all at once to see what sticks.
 
There's a few of those types of girls knocking around the Farms. I often tell them that no matter how much they pay into sexism, the men will never forget that you're a woman and therefore inherently lesser. No matter how fast or thin you can chop the potatoes, how many kids you have, your education or lack thereof: if you're female, the men do not see you as an equal, but a living thing to be exploited, like a horse or a cow. They love you only to the extent you agree with them and do what they want. The same man that gives you asspats and positive reaction stickers today will turn on you in an instant if you upset him, and he will say it's all your fault for making him so angry.

So, girls who think you're too good for feminism: I tried to warn you.
This is what has always stopped me from becoming a pick-me even when dealing with the nastiest and bitchiest girls, besides having positive female figures in my life. There are definitely many individual women I don't like and things women do more often than men that I don't like, but why would I react to this by broadly hating a demographic that I belong to? Then I'd have to justify why I am special and an exception, and logically, I know that I'm not. And the prospect of not only hating women in a reactionary manner but actively simping for men, who as a demographic are far more awful to women both statistically and in my experience, is ridiculous. And yes, it's always the case that the kind of people/men whose approval you gain from sucking up to them are the exact kinds of people whose approval you don't want if you have any self respect. Pick-mes are truly misguided and it's depressing seeing women with that mindset past their early 20s.
 
I anticipate his his first (female) rape accusation but I will listen and believe purely out of the racist desire to see another black man go to jail.
Very interesting that you’d adopt the BLM perspective for rape accusations only.

The police profile black men because they are statistically more likely to commit crime. The BLM concern is the epidemic of black men being incorrectly profiled as criminals.

Likewise, men are statistically more likely to rape and are thus profiled as rapists. MRAs, similarly to BLM, are most concerned with men being incorrectly profiled as rapists.
 
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I love how often both fatties and moids hate on gym bros, when in reality gym guys tend to be the kindest, most respectful, and chillest dudes around. Obviously there are exceptions, and yes different gyms have different microcultures, but in general gyms are max comfy locations.

Conversely, if you do get hassled at the gym, and the other occupants don't turn on the hassle-er like the people in They Live, it's time to find a new gym.
Despite all the hype about men creeping on women at the gym, I've not really experienced it. Seen a couple troons of course, but I haven't had guys come up and put their hands on me or insist on starting a conversation at the gym.

Hillary Clinton is just as much a corrupt piece of shit as any career politician. Bill's affair made her look like a bit of a fool, and I am sure she curses him every day for it. But she is no better than he is, or Trump is, or Biden is, or Mitch McConnell, or any other longstanding politician. She just has a sharp mind and a silver tongue and is better at the politi-speak and the shuck and jive than the rest of them are.
 
Despite all the hype about men creeping on women at the gym, I've not really experienced it. Seen a couple troons of course, but I haven't had guys come up and put their hands on me or insist on starting a conversation at the gym.

Hillary Clinton is just as much a corrupt piece of shit as any career politician. Bill's affair made her look like a bit of a fool, and I am sure she curses him every day for it. But she is no better than he is, or Trump is, or Biden is, or Mitch McConnell, or any other longstanding politician. She just has a sharp mind and a silver tongue and is better at the politi-speak and the shuck and jive than the rest of them are.

Can you elaborate. I’m not saying you’re wrong. But I enjoy reading this thread and “well…. She’s just as bad!”

It’s such a none statement. I don’t mean that disrespectfully. Just…. It’s such a weak take.

Please elaborate why Hillary is just as fucked up as the rest of them.
 
she is no better than he is, or Trump is, or Biden is, or Mitch McConnell, or any other longstanding politician
Yes she is. She’s a woman

Can we stay on topic and not let this devolve into culture war nonsense? There is plenty of room to goof on both these losers without making it political.
From the sniper wolf thread but this shit is so fucking annoying. isnt it so funny how men will be nothing but misogynistic for pages on end about women but the instant a woman says literally anything back to them they turn into the biggest pussies on the planet. Men only ever bring this shit out when a woman gets tired of their shit they fuckimg love culture war shit when it’s attacking women. Especially from a misogynist gimmick poster that “jokes’ about raping women but now they “don’t want it to get politica. I hate men so fucking much. I want to rape a man to death with a molten hot steel pipe then drag his entrails out on the pavement
 
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Despite all the hype about men creeping on women at the gym, I've not really experienced it. Seen a couple troons of course, but I haven't had guys come up and put their hands on me or insist on starting a conversation at the gym.
I must be unlucky in that arena. I've tried several gyms and couldn't continue with any of them because there was almost always a non-zero number of men there being awkward and creepy towards me each visit. There were multiple occasions in different locations when a man told me that I needed to wear tighter and more revealing clothes in stead of my t-shirt and those shorts that are like sweatpants that only go halfway down the thigh, or actual sweatpants. I made the mistake of using a gym pool exactly once when I was a kid because of the leering and multiple old men trying to chat me up.

That shit started when I was 14, by the way. Now we have workout equipment at home, which saves a ton of money anyway.

Bonus: Once, a guy was hassling me pretty stubbornly when I was 14-16 and some black woman started yelling at him to "leave that little girl alone" and just went off and didn't stop until he finished shuffling off in embarrassment/fear.
 
Also the fact that a lot of Farmers here obviously haven't quite finished killing their inner simp. If it was a man or a tranny we'd have people in here saying it would be perfectly justified to shoot her dead on the spot, but since it's an uwu egirl everyone downplays it and acts like it's impossible for an egirl to bring a gun or do something dangerous. As unfortunate as it is, our legal system does not look kindly on you being a tough guy, if you want to bring damages later you have to just swallow your pride and look like a bitch for a little bit. I can guarantee if he'd yelled at her or called the cops they'd be finding a way to spin that against him right now.
Ok this is the last one Im gonna do but holy fuckimg shit the gaslighting creatures with penises engage in is like the fucking Mandela effect. This dumb nigger is pretending that people are,downplaying this shit when I’ve read post after post calling for her to raped and misogynistic basement dwellers that want to pretend that women are as bad as men doing their usual rape rights activist “if a man did this the whole world would blow up” testerics. Men are already saying exactly that. They’re already saying he should have shot her. Retard edgelords on site literally known for doxxing people clutching their pearls because a woman did it to a man. Fucking insane how many likes this retarded post got men are subhuman please lord in heaven just let me violently murder a man please just let me disembowel a moid and choke the last bits of his life out with his intestines please god I’m asking just one last fuckimg time just let me do it once
 
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