2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

[im5!XxhO]

an OPEC embargo would utterly destroy NATO military power as the economy of each would shrivel to nothing in short order.

This scenario was already played out in the 1970s and caused little lasting damage to the western economies. Also countries like Saudi Arabia can't stay solvent enough without oil long enough to break the West. And nowadays the US is a major gas and oil exporter as well.

The bottom line is the Arabs don't have any tools to stop the West supporting Israel and they know it. At the same time they know that the West also has no interest in escalating this. So they will make a lot of public statements, but no action and hope this fizzles out eventually.

 

[Rei is Shit.]

Call me a conspiracy theorist retard if you want, but I find it strange how Israel somehow didn't know about Hamas's invasion even though they've been planning this from a long time, but they somehow managed to intercept a phone call from IJ saying "Yes hello we are the Islamic Jihad group and we admit that we bombed the hospital and it was totally not the peaceful state of Israel" and have a million different kinds of evidence not even a day after it happened.

Same with all the high ranking HAMAS members they keep claiming to have killed. They know where these guys are hiding at and they are able to quickly verify that they've been killed but didn't see this OP coming?

 

[quackrock]

Call me a conspiracy theorist retard if you want, but I find it strange how Israel somehow didn't know about Hamas's invasion even though they've been planning this from a long time, but they somehow managed to intercept a phone call from IJ saying "Yes hello we are the Islamic Jihad group and we admit that we bombed the hospital and it was totally not the peaceful state of Israel" and have a million different kinds of evidence not even a day after it happened.

Israeli SIGINT is very good and has been for a long time

IDF release before and after images of the hospital.
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Don't see much of a crater. Could still have been a Hamas rocket, maybe? I'd expect more structural damage from something like a 500 pound Mk 82, the smallest JDAM-compatible bomb. It's tough to tell how much damage there is from the high-angle aerial imagery, but clearly the buildings weren't leveled. But it's also hard to get past that distinctive JDAM sound in the video. And there's also that possibility of counter fire from rocket artillery. IDK.

For comparison, here's the crater from a 500 pound WW2 bomb that blew up in a field in Germany:

https://www.sciencealert.com/a-mysterious-explosion-left-a-huge-crater-in-a-german-field

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a28170164/crater-germany-world-war-ii/

 

[TheBigZee]

IDF Radar Tracking
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What's up with the one single line going to the hospital.

 

[Just_Somebody]

Guys, what if... All the bodies that they were shown dead from the missile hit on the Hospitals were already dead from previous bombings that were gathered in a morgue and they did a photo-op to play up the mishap?

I mean, this seems to be incredibly likely, at this point?

Muh 500 always seemed to be insanely high.

1 - Hamas launched one of their big and rare rockets (which we don't know if they even still have)
2 - Hamas decided this rocket was going to be launched by its lonesome, even though they probably have much cheaper and more plentiful shit to sling at Israel haphazardly and it's their modus operandi to do so before using the big ones
3 - The rocket was intercepted
4 - The SAM exploded in a way that destroyed exclusively one thing on the rocket while leaving the warhead intact
5- The SAM debris then fall onto the hospital
6- The Hamas rocket then proceeded to fall into the same place, which is also the worst place possible for Gaza
7 - A rocket with no guidance system and a mediocre payload fell exactly where it needed to fall to cause basically max casualties

For two, there's been a lot of videos but weren't there multiple rockets taking off in relative quick succession?
For 3, not sure why this seems unlikely. Israel is quite adept at intercepting missiles/rockets.
For 4-7, this is basically the question. Gazan rockets have been known to fall short and hit Gaza before, and I'm sure Israel would prefer to intercept missiles/rockets over Gaza than over Israel.

Now with the satellite photos, the damage does not look anywhere near as extensive as first claimed. The 500 dead claim seems hilariously inflated, and I'm guessing the dead were from the morgue. A 500lb bomb smashing into a hospital, that likely isn't, hm....built to wonderful building codes we're accustomed to, should result in more damage, and not these videos from doctors showing off the dead an hour or two after the supposed bombing?

 

[Ancient Pioneer]

This scenario was already played out in the 1970s and caused little lasting damage to the western economies. Also countries like Saudi Arabia can't stay solvent enough without oil long enough to break the West. And nowadays the US is a major gas and oil exporter as well.

What a complete fucking fabrication of history, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. The gas embargoes spiked inflation to 12% at its peak and almost every city was hollowed out into bombed out hellholes, including "World Class" cities like NYC which barely stayed solvent through the 1970s and 1980s. NYC was gutted so badly by the 1970s gas embargoes and aftereffects that it didn't fully recover until the late 1990s.



Some serious Paul Krugman tier "when we remove everything that people need the economic stats look great!"

 

[ForTheHoard]

“Hamas DEFINITELY doesn’t have missiles that can do that!”

“What about the Chinese missiles that Israel has intercepted in the past that could do that?”

What’s the response?

It's possible that it was a Hamas rocket, but with the information we have at the moment, it seems improbable. The only people that know for sure are higher ups in the IDF and Israeli government, so the recorded truth won't be released for another 75 years when any and everyone involved is long dead.

 

[CashMoney!]

What's up with the one single line going to the hospital.

Ah yes I totally trust the arbitrary lines drawn in MS Paint on Google Earth next to large dots. This is a lot of PR cope for the IDF. Are the Muslims some kind of Arab Super Hitler who took them by surprise or are they incompetent? Changes as often as the wind.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

This scenario was already played out in the 1970s and caused little lasting damage to the western economies.

The embargo caused prices to go up and Nixon had to impose price controls on basic food stuff; inflation began to spiral and didn't stop until Reagan got into office. Farming became more expensive and people began losing their family farms to foreclosures because they couldn't afford feed, fertilizers and fuel. The US was beginning to decline as an industrial power but the embargo hastened it and mass unemployment ensued due to plant closures because fuel was too expensive leading to the creation of the Rust Belt. It absolutely caused massive damage to the economy and there are large parts of the US that have still not recovered, places like Newark and Camden NJ, Detroit MI, Gary IN, etc.

The US absolutely cannot afford to go through another oil embargo again, it will be the end of the US as we know it.

 

[Racist Trash]

But it's also hard to get past that distinctive JDAM sound in the video

The thing is that sound isn't distinctive to JDAMs it's just fast moving aerodynamic falling thing sound which a JDAM just happens to be, there is also the possibility someone edited the sound onto the video but I have no evidence of that.

 

[TheBigZee]

Ah yes I totally trust the arbitrary lines drawn in MS Paint on Google Earth next to large dots. This is a lot of PR cope for the IDF. Are the Muslims some kind of Arab Super Hitler who took them by surprise or are they incompetent? Changes as often as the wind.

But the twitter account has a blue checkmark.

 

[quackrock]

The only people that know for sure are higher ups in the IDF and Israeli government

If this was some retard reservist artillery captain doing counter fire at radar signatures, it's possible the only people who know for sure are him, his unit, and some extremely stressed IDF staff-level officers

It'd be odd to do counter fire with only one rocket though? I dunno, this is way outside my area of expertise

 

[im5!XxhO]

The gas embargoes spiked inflation to 12% at its peak and almost every city was hollowed out into bombed out hellholes, including "World Class" cities like NYC which barely stayed solvent through the 1970s and 1980s.

A short spike in inflation does little. The US remained the premiere economy to this day, so where is the lasting damage? Oh there is none. The demise of some us cities was self inflicted, because they didn't remain competitive. The rest of the country did and does fine.

Arab countries would use their power if they had it. The fact that they don't tells us all we need to know. I also had the same story when Russia invaded and it also turned out wrong. Primary ressources are easy to replace especially in today's world where there are more oil exporters outside OPEC.

 

[King George III]

Streams have been fucky today, but this one has a live look at Gaza

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIwTnhqaSsA

 

[Guysho]

Action going on in this multi-stream

Don't know why three quarters of it is of Israel but it's the best multi-stream currently.

 

[Ancient Pioneer]

A short spike in inflation does little. The US remained the premiere economy to this day, so where is the lasting damage? Oh there is none. The demise of some us cities was self inflicted, because they didn't remain competitive. The rest of the country did and does fine.

Arab countries would use their power if they had it. The fact that they don't tells us all we need to know. I also had the same story when Russia invaded and it also turned out wrong. Primary ressources are easy to replace especially in today's world where there are more oil exporters outside OPEC.

Yeah no lasting damage at all. Never heard of the Rust Belt at all.

 

[William Tyndale]

Some serious Paul Krugman tier "when we remove everything that people need the economic stats look great!"

Let us not forget “pretend like aliens are invading us to spend ourselves out of a recession.”

 

[im5!XxhO]

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Yeah no lasting damage at all. Never heard of the Rust Belt at all.

Entirely due to the decline in competitiveness of the US car industry. That's why it persisted after the embargo. Short price shocks don't kill competitive industries as could be observed in Germany.

Western economies are incredibly resilient and adaptable. This remains true to this day angering doomsday prophets time and again.

 

[Racist Trash]

IDF release before and after images of the hospital.
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With this image I really do doubt it was some kind of bomb there just isn't nearly enough damage.

 

[Maginot]

I might have believed a "we tried to thread the needle and we missed" from the IAF. Bullshitting doesn't help things.